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NHL Entry Draft 2020 NHL Draft Discussion - PART XI [We got 3-5]

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JaredCowen4Norris said:
I dreamed that Dorion confidently walked up to the podium on draft day and announced the Sens were redrafting Chlapik 3rd overall. I don't think I've ever been that furious in a dream, I was seething with rage.
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Most of the decisions PD makes are great for the organization. Like trading EK or passing on a draft eligible forum favourites. Once you recognize that you won’t have those types of fears.

What would scare me is if the board hive mind had any say in the draft.
 
Sweatred said:
Most of the decisions PD makes are great for the organization. Like trading EK or passing on a draft eligible forum favourites. Once you recognize that you won’t have those types of fears.

What would scare me is if the board hive mind had any say in the draft.
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I most definitely trust Dorion with drafting. It wasn't an indictment of him as much as it was my brain really wanting to f*** with me. I'm sure who ever he drafts will do well haha
 
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JaredCowen4Norris said:
I most definitely trust Dorion with drafting. It wasn't an indictment of him as much as it was my brain really wanting to f*** with me. I'm sure who ever he drafts will do well haha
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Okay , I get that ... I recall waking up one morning thinking we got X and Y too :) ... it was probably Askarov, Rossi, and Quinn :)
 
Cosmix said:
I suspect that if there is a player that Dorion likes that he is willing to spend a 2nd round draft pick plus the NYI pick to move up for, he will do so at the draft if he can find another team willing to make the trade.

Some players who might be tempting would be: Askarov, Lundell, Guhle, and Lapierre. I would like to see the Senators get Lapierre for the high ceiling he has
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NYI pick has been rumored to be ear marked as a trade piece for an NHL player. Although, I don't know if that changes depending on if they win or lose their play in since there could be a big difference in placement.
 
Anyone seen a lot of Jarvis? What’s your take? He looks electric out there. His skating is excellent and he hustles every shift. How is he only 18 on bob’s rankings? If we got him with the isles pick I’d be pretty happy
 
Got this off the LA Kings board.. (Thank you)
This goes into some of the rationale behind Elite Prospects ranking Stutzle so low.
Ok I watched the clips. I think they are being a little hard on him. Sure you can break it down and show he possibly could have made a better play.. but He is pretty much driving all that play as well. Does he get tunnel vision .. maybe , and maybe sometimes. I definitely am not going to say he can't be coached up on the things here and learn more on his own what works and what doesn't as well. We've all seen zigged when he should have zagged. And players miss passing opportunities Or shoulda woulda couldas .. on #1 Cs that have been around for a while .. so.. If this was continuous and overtly obvious .. I would think it would be a concern for NHL scouts as well. This is where the 5-7 complete game breakdowns with metrics that count the occurrences of what they are actually accomplishing help put things into context.

The Lukeman said:
So I have been some comments made that there isn't a flaw in Stutzle's game. I found some very good breakdown footage from eliteprospects that show where Stutzle struggles and where he is going to need to make improvements. The point of this is not to convince you Stutzle is worse than Byfield or anything like that. That is an opinion you should make on your own. It can be better to focus on what a player can improve on rather than what they can already do. Stutzle is a top tier prospect, but that doesn't mean we can't take a look at his weaknesses.

Stutzle's poor devision making:
Example 1
While being a phenomenal passer and playmaker, Stutzle often fails to identify opportunities for himself or teammates to cut towards the slot. This is why a lot of people argue that Stutzle is a perimeter player. In the first example, we see him forcefully go out to the perimeter rather than cut through the middle, despite the defenseman fully and wrongly committing to pressuring the perimeter. Instead of moving play towards the slot, Stutzle lightens his glide to lose the speed he needs. Its a flashy play that wasn't useful. He then makes 2 puck handles into the defender which ultimately pushed him wide. In the second example in this clip, Stutzle does the sam thing where he slows himself into a glide, relies on using his stickhandling, and his decision turns into a turnover. We will see more poor decision making in the other clips.

Stutzle's handle first, pass/shoot later fixation:
Example 2
In the first clip, we see a complete defensive breakdown where Stutzle finds himself at the top of 3 on 1. Once he receives the pass, he fails to recognize that his winger is completely open, and instead (again poor decision making) stickhandles into the goalie. At this point, he should have either shot or pass to his teammate. Stickhandling is probably the worst decision here, other than passing it to the point or something that completely wipes the play. In the 2nd clip, we once again see Stutzle have an opportunity to push the puck towards the slot, but instead, he chooses to skate and handle his way towards the goalie and ultimately remain on the perimeter. Instead of even getting a shot off at that point, he skates around the net, to the point, and turnsover the puck. In the final clip, he enters the zone, and instead of pushing it toward the slot, or even placing it a good spot where his team can cycle, he makes a blind pass behind him and turns over the puck (more of a decision making issue than stick handling issue, would move this to example 1 if I could).

Example 3
Example 3 shows several other instances of him overhanding the puck instead of making the correct passes.

Stutzle's lack of deception in his playmaking and shooting:
Example 4
In these clips, it demonstrates Stutzle's inability to make deceptive plays, which ultimately make both his shooting and playmaking less effective. He stares at his target, his body language either shows that he is fully committed to a pass or shot, and it is something he needs to improve. I think clip 1 explains itself good enough. Clip 2 focuses more of him being less threatening by making an early cross ice pass rather than driving play towards the net, on again demonstrating his push for perimeter play. I will try and find more clips of that demonstrate this. I have seen them, just need to look them up again.

Stutzle inability to be a scoring threat:
Example 5
Clip 5 shows Stutzle inability be a scoring threat. Simply put, he is often awkward or does not position himself in good ice to be an offensive threat. Not surprising considering he is a playmaker first. Also need to look up footage of his shooting opportunities. They are not good. Stutzle is shooting 5% in the DEL when Reichel and John-Jason Peterka are shooting 17% and 11% in the same league, respectively. Watch this highlight video. It does a good job at showing both his strengths at passing, but if you keep the listed points above, those issues become more glaring. Its a good video showing both is strengths and weaknesses.



Thanks I am glad that these posts can be helpful. I recently tested positive for Covid-19 (thankfully I am asymptomatic) so I have been unable to go to work. Extra free time to do deeper analysis. I am trying to put together some footage showing off both Stutzle's and Byfield's strengths and weaknesses. Kind of glad that we are picking 2nd instead of 1st, or else I would have nothing to do haha.
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Yah yah never played
 
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FormentonTheFuture said:
Anyone seen a lot of Jarvis? What’s your take? He looks electric out there. His skating is excellent and he hustles every shift. How is he only 18 on bob’s rankings? If we got him with the isles pick I’d be pretty happy
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Have only seen him in the Hlinka and he was good but not a guy that stood out to me compared to some of his teammates, but it’s obvious he turned his game up to a whole new level in November or so, his season was incredible from a strictly only stat perspective.

We have likely seen more of him for a longer period of time than any other team, so he will be a guy we will have done our due diligence on and will likely be a guy we will be high on.
 
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FormentonTheFuture said:
Anyone seen a lot of Jarvis? What’s your take? He looks electric out there. His skating is excellent and he hustles every shift. How is he only 18 on bob’s rankings? If we got him with the isles pick I’d be pretty happy
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Slated to go in that range. Kind of on that 4th group with Bourque and Holloway. I would take Holloway personally. But Jarvis and byfield did have some chemistry at the U18.
 
danielpalfredsson said:
NYI pick has been rumored to be ear marked as a trade piece for an NHL player. Although, I don't know if that changes depending on if they win or lose their play in since there could be a big difference in placement.
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Trading for an experienced NHL player or promising prospect with the NYI pick is obviously an option and might be useful. Packaging that pick plus a second rounder to get a very good D man, like Sergachev would solidify our defence. I am not interested in trading for any veteran NHL player who is near or over age 30; I would strongly prefer a player under 26.
 
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Sensinitis said:
I have a bad feeling Laf is going to the Habs and it’s not going away
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No big deal. Our division would have some great players to watch.

Kucherov
Pasta
Matthews
Eichel
Barkov
Laf

Detroit and Ottawa need some star power
 
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GCK said:
No big deal. Our division would have some great players to watch.

Kucherov
Pasta
Matthews
Eichel
Barkov
Laf

Detroit and Ottawa need some star power
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I was hoping that great player would come to us but yeah our division has some of the most skilled players in the league with the guys you mentioned and Marner, Chabot, Huberdeau, Marchand, Stamkos etc etc
 
Sens of Anarchy said:


3. Stutzle I do think that LA takes Byfield
4. Perfetti
5. Drysdale

Can definitely see this happening.
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Of course that’s totally possible. But it’s also the easy, simple conclusion mock draft.
Stutzle or byfield, we can’t lose imo. LOTS of players at 5 I’d be happy with. Drysdale being one.
 
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