NHL Entry Draft 2020 NHL Draft Discussion - PART IV

[bert]

@bert continuing our convo from the closed thread.

what big forwards are there outside of byfield? And I’m not sure this team is being built big either. Tkatchuk sure. Brown is big but he doesn’t have the same style as tkatchuk. Same goes for batherson

Why was the other thread closed?... I just do not understand this board hardly any activity at all and certain posters cut it out. Over modification its ridiculous.

Lundell is a bigger player. If you look at the core group of the forwards most have size and I think they want to build a large forward group. Pinto has size, Paul, Duclair is a very strong player, C. Brown plays a fast hard game and he isnt small. When White is at his best he is a pest type player that is hard on pucks in front of the net and on the forcheck I like the identity that is forming.

 

[ChurchOfAlfie]

Looks like Hendrix Lapierre was set to be cleared by doctors to resume play on Monday, though the rest of the season is obviously up in the air right now. He says he hasn't felt any concussion symptoms for 3 months now, so that's good news.

Quatre Gatinois peuvent humer la coupe, mais...

 

[Burrowsaurus]

This team is being built for a high compete level. Tkachuk leads the way and then when we add the likes of Noris, Formenton, Batherson and more recent additions like Thomson, Pinto, Kastelic and Hawryluk the emphasis seems to be players that will out battle the opposition.

The Sens appear to be building a bigger team but it also seems like they value compete over size. For example Thomson, Kelly and Hawryluk are more averaged sized but they have a very high compete level.

There are plenty of big forwards available for this draft. Here are some players worth looking into:
Jaromir Pytlik (6'3 196 lbs), Will Cuylle (6'2 201 lbs), Carson Bantle (6'4 201 lbs), Dylan Peterson (6'4 192 lbs), Egor Soklov (6'4 240 lbs), Brandon Coe (6'3 195 lbs), Andrei Bakanov (6'2 218 lbs), Luke Tuch (6'2 203 lbs), Maxim Groshev (6'2 194 lbs), Maxim Beryozkin (6'2 201 lbs), Maxim Krovyakov (6'3 181 lbs), Bogdan Trineyev (6'3 176 lbs), Anthony Tabak (6'4 203 lbs) , Nick Capone (6'1 209 lbs) , Matthew Rempe (6'8 205 lbs), Carsen Richels (6'3 209 lbs) , Cole Hansen (6'2 201 lbs) , Logan Barlage (6'5 205 lbs)

I could expand this list further if we included all forwards 6' or taller.

Good post. I meant big players with our first two picks in the top ten though.

mand right I agree these high motor compete guys. Which rossi definitely is. Perfetti to be seen.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Why was the other thread closed?... I just do not understand this board hardly any activity at all and certain posters cut it out. Over modification its ridiculous.

Lundell is a bigger player. If you look at the core group of the forwards most have size and I think they want to build a large forward group. Pinto has size, Paul, Duclair is a very strong player, C. Brown plays a fast hard game and he isnt small. When White is at his best he is a pest type player that is hard on pucks in front of the net and on the forcheck I like the identity that is forming.

Rossi probably has more feistiness and motor compared to those guys. Perfetti yea seems to be more cerebral. I agree we seem to be very in your face type of team going forward. Size aside. But those top two picks likely won’t be selecting anyone with size. Small forwards is almost guaranteed

 

[MatchesMalone]

Rossi probably has more feistiness and motor compared to those guys. Perfetti yea seems to be more cerebral. I agree we seem to be very in your face type of team going forward. Size aside. But those top two picks likely won’t be selecting anyone with size. Small forwards is almost guaranteed

What gives you this idea? One of those picks will probably be top three, meaning Byfield, Lafreniere or Stutzle, all of whom have decent size. After that there are still bigger players, depending where the picks fall. Anton Lundell in the 5-10 range. Sanderson in the 7-12 range. Quinn and Holloway around 10-15. If they're really that focused on not picking small forwards (someone recently pointed out that since 2015 Dorion has only taken 3 players under 6'), they have plenty of opportunity to trade up or down to get the players they want.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

What gives you this idea? One of those picks will probably be top three, meaning Byfield, Lafreniere or Stutzle, all of whom have decent size. After that there are still bigger players, depending where the picks fall. Anton Lundell in the 5-10 range. Sanderson in the 7-12 range. Quinn and Holloway around 10-15. If they're really that focused on not picking small forwards (someone recently pointed out that since 2015 Dorion has only taken 3 players under 6'), they have plenty of opportunity to trade up or down to get the players they want.

I would pretty pissed if they trade out of the top ~6/10 to get someone with size.

stutzle is quite slight. Assume we don’t pick top two.

lundell and holtz are the next biggest.

 

[MatchesMalone]

I would pretty pissed if they trade out of the top ~6/10 to get someone with size.

stutzle is quite slight. Assume we don’t pick top two.

lundell and holtz are the next biggest.

Plenty of room for Stutzle to fill out. Already listed at 187 lbs, he could play at over 200 in the NHL.

Without context yeah moving down to get someone with size doesn't sound like an ideal scenario, but there are situations where it could be a good move. Jersey has picks at 6, 10 and 17. Say if our second pick is 4 or 5 and Jersey picks 5-7, it might make sense for both teams for us to move back a spot or two and jump 21 to 17? If Lundell is the Sens' guy this could make perfect sense.

That's just one scenario. There are others, just use your imagination instead of automatically assuming the worst-case. But yeah, it just depends what's available. If we pick 6 and Raymond falls to us, of course you take that and run. But are the Sens going to pick Raymond at 4? Or Rossi/Perfetti at 5 or 6? I'm not sure about that. I certainly wouldn't agree with them - I would take Raymond at 2. But I do agree with deciding a strategy and sticking to it, as long as they're reasonable about it.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Plenty of room for Stutzle to fill out. Already listed at 187 lbs, he could play at over 200 in the NHL.

Without context yeah moving down to get someone with size doesn't sound like an ideal scenario, but there are situations where it could be a good move. Jersey has picks at 6, 10 and 17. Say if our second pick is 4 or 5 and Jersey picks 5-7, it might make sense for both teams for us to move back a spot or two and jump 21 to 17? If Lundell is the Sens' guy this could make perfect sense.

That's just one scenario. There are others, just use your imagination instead of automatically assuming the worst-case. But yeah, it just depends what's available. If we pick 6 and Raymond falls to us, of course you take that and run. But are the Sens going to pick Raymond at 4? Or Rossi/Perfetti at 5 or 6? I'm not sure about that. I certainly wouldn't agree with them - I would take Raymond at 2. But I do agree with deciding a strategy and sticking to it, as long as they're reasonable about it.

No imagination really needed. This draft is not known for its size in the top ten. This seems to be a moot point anyone as the post I answered to was talking more style not size.
That being said I think it’s EXTREEEEMELY likely we select two players not seen as “big”.

 

[MatchesMalone]

No imagination really needed. This draft is not known for its size in the top ten. This seems to be a moot point anyone as the post I answered to was talking more style not size.
That being said I think it’s EXTREEEEMELY likely we select two players not seen as “big”.

It's not a moot point. I think the Sens will shy away both from smaller players and from players with character/work ethic questions.

If the worst case scenario happens and we pick 5 and 6, then you're probably right, it would be tough to avoid picking a smaller forward. But you are getting silly with this "EXTREEEEEMELY likely". I've ran the simulation a ton, and 1 and 5 is pretty likely. There's also plenty of opportunity to trade one of those picks into the top 3, say if it is 4 or 5.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

It's not a moot point. I think the Sens will shy away both from smaller players and from players with character/work ethic questions.

If the worst case scenario happens and we pick 5 and 6, then you're probably right, it would be tough to avoid picking a smaller forward. But you are getting silly with this "EXTREEEEEMELY likely". I've ran the simulation a ton, and 1 and 5 is pretty likely. There's also plenty of opportunity to trade one of those picks into the top 3, say if it is 4 or 5.

Okay yes it’s extremely unlikely that we pick someone who is small and who has serious work ethic issues lol. I agree with that.

I would hope we don’t trade into the top 3 as that will take both of our two firsts.

 

[MatchesMalone]

Okay yes it’s extremely unlikely that we pick someone who is small and who has serious work ethic issues lol. I agree with that.

I would hope we don’t trade into the top 3 as that will take both of our two firsts.

Really? Say if we picked 1 and 4-6, you wouldn't be willing to give up 21 to move from to 2 or 3? Not sure I would, I'd have to think about it, but it sure seems worth considering.

 

[Sensators]

I don't wanna trade up with the top 2 picks unless we lose the lottery with both. I like Stutzle/Byfield more than the others but after that I don't have a HUGE preference in the top 9. I wouldn't mind trading down if we win the lottery with the 2nd pick - preferrably to move up with the NYI 1st but otherwise for whatever. It has to at least be considered when the top 9 is pretty all over the place and it's possible we get the player we want later in the top 9 anyways. I know it doesn't make sense to trade down given our abundance of picks - but if you can get a free asset in a draft that we should have been scouting heavily (given how many picks we have) we should do it.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Really? Say if we picked 1 and 4-6, you wouldn't be willing to give up 21 to move from to 2 or 3? Not sure I would, I'd have to think about it, but it sure seems worth considering.

Ohhh I thought you mean if we picked 45 or 56 and used those to trade into the top 3. My answer is no.

yes I think I would trade 5 and 21 to get into top 3. Need someone to say yes to it though I don’t think we will find that

 

[MatchesMalone]

Ohhh I thought you mean if we picked 45 or 56 and used those to trade into the top 3. My answer is no.

yes I think I would trade 5 and 21 to get into top 3. Need someone to say yes to it though I don’t think we will find that

True, but with all our picks in the first two rounds the option will be available to over-pay. I'm betting teams will be willing to move back from say, 2 to 4 or 3 to 5 for a 21st pick. Something like that. It's a just a question for Dorion whether it would be worth it...

I guess my overall point has just always been that I think the Sens will target a handful of players who have a combination of decent size, good work ethic and intensity, to go along with the talent - Lafreniere, Byfield, Stutzle, Lundell, Mercer, Sanderson, Holloway - and with the two high picks, plus the 21st, plus all the seconds and thirds, they will be in a position to wheel and deal to ensure they get the players they want. So I don't think it is so likely that they pick small players as you think it is.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Yeah it seems unlikely but I know a few leagues just cancelled their play and a few others suspended it until further notice. I guess the scouts will be forced to just watch tapes of players and hope for the best. There are recordings for all CHL and USHL games so they will have something to work with but missing out on the final stretch and the playoffs could lead to certain players falling that should go much higher.

Even if leagues resume in a few weeks...can we still get a true evaluation of players after play has been suspended that long? We all know things are a bit wacky at the beginning of seasons or after any kind of significant layoff.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

 

[Sensinitis]

What a gem... Him, Tkachuk and Chabot would be so perfect on the PP together woah...

 

[CBT]

Looks like Hendrix Lapierre was set to be cleared by doctors to resume play on Monday, though the rest of the season is obviously up in the air right now. He says he hasn't felt any concussion symptoms for 3 months now, so that's good news.

Quatre Gatinois peuvent humer la coupe, mais...

Grant McCagg tweeted about Lapierre's situation a while ago. They are suspecting his concussion like symptoms were actually caused by neck injury. I'd make Lapierre a big target for the Isles pick if this proved to be true.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Grant McCagg tweeted about Lapierre's situation a while ago. They are suspecting his concussion like symptoms were actually caused by neck injury. I'd make Lapierre a big target for the Isles pick if this proved to be true.

I feel like we’ve heard this a few too many times for the player to never actually recover.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

True, but with all our picks in the first two rounds the option will be available to over-pay. I'm betting teams will be willing to move back from say, 2 to 4 or 3 to 5 for a 21st pick. Something like that. It's a just a question for Dorion whether it would be worth it...

I guess my overall point has just always been that I think the Sens will target a handful of players who have a combination of decent size, good work ethic and intensity, to go along with the talent - Lafreniere, Byfield, Stutzle, Lundell, Mercer, Sanderson, Holloway - and with the two high picks, plus the 21st, plus all the seconds and thirds, they will be in a position to wheel and deal to ensure they get the players they want. So I don't think it is so likely that they pick small players as you think it is.

I always assume we are picking outside the top 2-3. So if you group stutzle in with guys with size. Then okay there’s the top 4 you have there. We could get one of those you’re right.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

If the season ends like this, the lowest we can pick is 6th. Who is someone, commonly ranked in the top 10, who you would not pick? Please dont include Askarov, because I feel like 90% of people will have him as their guy.

What would your ideal top 6 be (be realistic)?

I'll start.

I would not take Lundell top 6. I think he may get underrated and fall too low, but I don't see him having great upside and isn't the kind of guy I would target. After that, I really don't know enough to pick a guy. I can see the case for not taking Drysdale, Raymond, Perfetti, or Holtz but I don't have a super-strong opinion either way.

My top 6:
1) Lafreniere
2) Byfield
3) Stutzle
4) Raymond
5) Rossi
6) Holtz

My next pick would be Drysdale. Tough for me to differentiate too, too much between the several guys afterward (including Quinn, Perfetti, Jarvis, Lundell, Sanderson, Holloway, Mercer, Gunler, etc) although I do have my preferences. Obviously, I'd be very happy with any of those guys with the NYI pick.

Anyone else wanna take a stab at it?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

If the season ends like this, the lowest we can pick is 6th. Who is someone, commonly ranked in the top 10, who you would not pick? Please dont include Askarov, because I feel like 90% of people will have him as their guy.

What would your ideal top 6 be (be realistic)?

I'll start.

I would not take Lundell top 6. I think he may get underrated and fall too low, but I don't see him having great upside and isn't the kind of guy I would target. After that, I really don't know enough to pick a guy. I can see the case for not taking Drysdale, Raymond, Perfetti, or Holtz but I don't have a super-strong opinion either way.

My top 6:
1) Lafreniere
2) Byfield
3) Stutzle
4) Raymond
5) Rossi
6) Holtz

My next pick would be Drysdale. Tough for me to differentiate too, too much between the several guys afterward (including Quinn, Perfetti, Jarvis, Lundell, Sanderson, Holloway, Mercer, Gunler, etc) although I do have my preferences. Obviously, I'd be very happy with any of those guys with the NYI pick.

Anyone else wanna take a stab at it?

I wouldn’t take drysdale. Mostly for personal preference on the direction I want this team to go.

my top 6

laf
Byfield
Stutzle
Raymond
Lundell
Rossi

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Watching a bunch of Holloway. Does he remind anyone else of Matt Tkatchuk?

 

[Cosmix]

Good post. I meant big players with our first two picks in the top ten though.

mand right I agree these high motor compete guys. Which rossi definitely is. Perfetti to be seen.

Rossi looks like an excellent skater and puckhandler. Would be fun to watch.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]