NHL Entry Draft 2020 NHL Draft Discussion - PART IV

[Shruggs Peterson]

So... in terms of players to keep an eye on;

first two picks:
Lafreniere, Byfield, Stutzle, Raymond, Drysdale, Holtz, Rossi, Perfetti, Lundell

NYI pick (depending on if they miss the playoffs or not makes this a big range:
Amirov, Zary, Quinn, Jarvis, Gunler, Mysak, Bourque, Walinder, Sanderson Schnieder...

If Askarov is there for the NYI pick, do we take him? I had writes him off as not worthy of one of ours or SJ's picks, but too good to be available for the NYI pick, but I think he could slide to 15th, so do we do it?

Using 1st's to take goalies is never a good idea imo, even with the 2 higher picks. I'd rather see another team take that gamble.

 

[SensFactor]

I really really really really really really really really really really want the Sens to draft Lafrenière.

Please hockey gods.

Is he any good?

 

[Micklebot]

Using 1st's to take goalies is never a good idea imo, even with the 2 higher picks. I'd rather see another team take that gamble.

Typically I feel the same way. I also feel we have such a deep stable of goalies that we aren't the team to take that gamble.

That said, Askarov is the highest ranked goalie I've seen in a while. I do wonder if the team thinks he is the type of guy you make the exception for if your prime targets are all off the board when it comes time to pick.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

 

[Micklebot]

No - more age bias against Quinn.

Not sure I follow. There's about a dozen guys slated for the 1st round that are 2001 born, Quinn among them, and a good chunk are guys who look like options in the 8-20 range like Rossi, Lundell, Mercer, Zary, Gunler, Holloway, Schnieder, Amirov and Quinn.

 

[Micklebot]

So Byfield 4th and Raymond 2nd eh?

Not sure I can get behind that...

 

[Qward]

Byfield has been falling in my books. Not to 4th. Maybe 3rd.

1) Laf, 2) Stutz, 3) Byfield 4)Raymond

 

[GCK]

I’d still have a hard time bypassing Byfield at 2.

 

[stempniaksen]

I still have Byfield at #2 personally, but I think there's an argument he's closer to guys in the 8/9 range than he is to Lafreniere.

At one point it seemed like he'd be the Eichel/Malkin to Laf's McDavid/Ovechkin, but I'm not sure I see the consistency in his game for him to reach that upper echelon. Still a very good player, but maybe more future star than can't miss superstar (think Hall/Seguin vs Mackinnon/Matthews/MacDavid/Eichel/ect).

 

[Sweatred]

Not sure I follow. There's about a dozen guys slated for the 1st round that are 2001 born, Quinn among them, and a good chunk are guys who look like options in the 8-20 range like Rossi, Lundell, Mercer, Zary, Gunler, Holloway, Schnieder, Amirov and Quinn.

Ya, I think Rossi and Lundell have to have their age “considered” too as top ten possible picks. Like Byfield vs Rossi type thing.

Im not going to pretend to know how much it has to be valued by the age/development curve is a thing.

 

[Laphroaig]

I know that Drysdale and Sanderson are the two top rated defensemen in the draft but maybe someone could rate the next three dmen for me and suggest a selection with the Islandes pick assuming we've already taken two forwards.

 

[DueDiligence]

So Byfield 4th and Raymond 2nd eh?

Not sure I can get behind that...

But all rankings in the past 6 months have had 2-5 virtually on the same level. They all are really good players. Don't be surprised if Stutzle goes 2nd and Drysdale goes 3rd for example.

 

[DueDiligence]

I’d still have a hard time bypassing Byfield at 2.

Senators don't have anyone who projects into a quality #1 Centre. He would be my #2 for them. other teams might look at things differently.

 

[Micklebot]

I still have Byfield at #2 personally, but I think there's an argument he's closer to guys in the 8/9 range than he is to Lafreniere.

At one point it seemed like he'd be the Eichel/Malkin to Laf's McDavid/Ovechkin, but I'm not sure I see the consistency in his game for him to reach that upper echelon. Still a very good player, but maybe more future star than can't miss superstar (think Hall/Seguin vs Mackinnon/Matthews/MacDavid/Eichel/ect).

You got to expect a bit of inconsistency with a 17 year old kid. He's 10 months younger than Lafreniere, and this is his 2nd year at this level compared to Lafs 3rd. You compare his performance to Lafs last year, and it's pretty similar. He's also played 7 fewer games this year, so the gap in pts this year looks bigger than it really is.

I'm not even close to passing on Byfield, though Stutzle does look really good too.

 

[Qward]

You got to expect a bit of inconsistency with a 17 year old kid. He's 10 months younger than Lafreniere, and this is his 2nd year at this level compared to Lafs 3rd. You compare his performance to Lafs last year, and it's pretty similar. He's also played 7 fewer games this year, so the gap in pts this year looks bigger than it really is.

I'm not even close to passing on Byfield, though Stutzle does look really good too.

I keep forgetting that.

 

[Micklebot]

But all rankings in the past 6 months have had 2-5 virtually on the same level. They all are really good players. Don't be surprised if Stutzle goes 2nd and Drysdale goes 3rd for example.

I feel like Byfield is getting the over critiqued treatment and has people looking for and exaggerating flaws. Then there's the hot take factor to draw in clicks. Idk, I still see too much to like to consider passing on a big center that is as young as it gets in this years draft and is producing right there with the best of them while not having any real red flags in his game.

 

[stempniaksen]

You got to expect a bit of inconsistency with a 17 year old kid. He's 10 months younger than Lafreniere, and this is his 2nd year at this level compared to Lafs 3rd. You compare his performance to Lafs last year, and it's pretty similar. He's also played 7 fewer games this year, so the gap in pts this year looks bigger than it really is.

I'm not even close to passing on Byfield, though Stutzle does look really good too.

He's not even inconsistent in comparison to his peers, I just mean from the perspective of comparing him to the all-time greats. I'm not one to question his upside considering I've been really bullish on him for over a year now, there just seems to be "something" missing that makes me question whether or not his ultimate upside is a true superstar type.

When I watch him there seems to be just enough of an issue between the ears that I think maybe he ends up being "very very good" as opposed to "truly great".

I'm not trying to discount Byfield at all, I think I may just be stunningly high on Lafreniere.

 

[Tuna99]

You got to expect a bit of inconsistency with a 17 year old kid. He's 10 months younger than Lafreniere, and this is his 2nd year at this level compared to Lafs 3rd. You compare his performance to Lafs last year, and it's pretty similar. He's also played 7 fewer games this year, so the gap in pts this year looks bigger than it really is.

I'm not even close to passing on Byfield, though Stutzle does look really good too.

If Byfeild is available to Ottawa anywhere after #1 I hope they take him. He had a poor WJC but if that makes him slide to Ottaw at #3-5 then good for us

 

[DueDiligence]

You got to expect a bit of inconsistency with a 17 year old kid. He's 10 months younger than Lafreniere, and this is his 2nd year at this level compared to Lafs 3rd. You compare his performance to Lafs last year, and it's pretty similar. He's also played 7 fewer games this year, so the gap in pts this year looks bigger than it really is.

I'm not even close to passing on Byfield, though Stutzle does look really good too.

Bottom line this is a great year to have two high lottery picks.

 

[GCK]

I know that Drysdale and Sanderson are the two top rated defensemen in the draft but maybe someone could rate the next three dmen for me and suggest a selection with the Islandes pick assuming we've already taken two forwards.

So much depends where the pick ends up. If it’s 15-19 then I would get aggressive and try for Quinn, if it’s in the 20-24 range maybe Mysak or Jarvis.

 

[Laphroaig]

So much depends where the pick ends up. If it’s 15-19 then I would get aggressive and try for Quinn, if it’s in the 20-24 range maybe Mysak or Jarvis.

Thanks but I'd be a little concerned about taking three forwards in the first round. I'd hate to wind up like the Leafs with tons of firepower and a half assed defense. Chabot is our only above average dman at the moment and I'd like to add more quality in that area.

 

[Micklebot]

He's not even inconsistent in comparison to his peers, I just mean from the perspective of comparing him to the all-time greats. I'm not one to question his upside considering I've been really bullish on him for over a year now, there just seems to be "something" missing that makes me question whether or not his ultimate upside is a true superstar type.

When I watch him there seems to be just enough of an issue between the ears that I think maybe he ends up being "very very good" as opposed to "truly great".

I'm not trying to discount Byfield at all, I think I may just be stunningly high on Lafreniere.

Maybe I'm just the opposite, and perhaps not high enough on Lafreniere.

I look at Byfield, and I see the same production (actually slightly better) as MacKinnon, who was also one of the youngest in his draft. Byfield is doing it in what historically has been a tougher league to score in too. Same production as Hall, only Hall was one of the oldest in his draft. Same production as Stamkos. Same as Tavares.

His Production is in line with some very successful 1st OA picks. Not the Kane, McDavid or Crosby tier mind you, but I doubt that's what you were expecting anyways.

 

[Micklebot]

Thanks but I'd be a little concerned about taking three forwards in the first round. I'd hate to wind up like the Leafs with tons of firepower and a half assed defense. Chabot is our only above average dman at the moment and I'd like to add more quality in that area.

We have Chabot up right now, but the system also has Brannstrom, Wolanin, JBD, and Thomson. I think our D is in decent shape from farm perspective.

 

[ijif]

Thanks but I'd be a little concerned about taking three forwards in the first round. I'd hate to wind up like the Leafs with tons of firepower and a half assed defense. Chabot is our only above average dman at the moment and I'd like to add more quality in that area.

To be fair, we have 3 first-round defenders in the prospect pool. Also, 2021 looks like a deep draft for defenders, and I suspect we will pick in the top 10, if not top 5, in the 2021 draft, so we can easily add more defenders at that time.

 

[DueDiligence]

Maybe I'm just the opposite, and perhaps not high enough on Lafreniere.

I look at Byfield, and I see the same production (actually slightly better) as MacKinnon, who was also one of the youngest in his draft. Byfield is doing it in what historically has been a tougher league to score in too. Same production as Hall, only Hall was one of the oldest in his draft. Same production as Stamkos. Same as Tavares.

His Production is in line with some very successful 1st OA picks. Not the Kane, McDavid or Crosby tier mind you, but I doubt that's what you were expecting anyways.

I like Byfield as well. He plays a position which is Ottawa's greatest need. We have to stretch to project that the Sens even have a sure fire quality #2 centre in the system. For that reason alone I go with him over everyone else except Laf.