NHL Entry Draft 2020 NHL Draft Discussion - PART IV

[KnuckChuckinTkachuk]

My dream scenario with picks in order of preference.

OTT/SJ: Lafreniere

SJ/OTT: Stutzle, Drysdale, Raymond or Rossi

NYI: Jarvis, Quinn, Mysak or Zary


I can't wait for the draft lottery

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Couldn't agree more. It just happens that both of those prospects are great skaters who compete all over the ice.

Would be awesome if we went after Khustnutdinov or Amirov, but the Sens draft a Ruskie in the first round? Don't think so.

Bobby Strumm was a scout for Portland since 2013/14. Considering Jarvis played a year above his age group, Strumm will have seen Jarvis since kid was 13. They drafted him 11th overall in 2017. If we were ever going to target a smaller player, I'd bet this is it. High floor, high ceilling, honey badger, skates like the wind.

Crookshank and Kastelic are looking good as late picks. Plus Strumm would have had some input on Thomson, Søgaard, JBD and Tychonik. He has Dorion's attention.

If I was a betting man, I'd put money on Jarvis and Evangelista to the Sens. Evangelista is exactly their player for the second round. Safe, smart, plays with skilled players, some upside; and there's the Don Boyd connection in London.

Dorion looks up to Bob Janecyk and has great trust in him, despite everything. Janecyk and Fargher would have been mentors to him. I would imagine Janecyk is pushing for Sanderson, Smilanic, Brisson. I haven't seen any NCAA picks attributed to him, but I believe he was heavily involved in Tkachuk at #4 and Colin White at #21. Fargher and Strumm would also be involved on Holloway, since he came out of AJHL.

I have no idea what to expect for the high picks. Since 2015, what I would consider Dorion's first official draft in charge, in the first round we've picked once out of WHL (with a Finnish connection), once out of QMJHL (Maritime connection), once out of OHL, once out of NCAA (NTDP connection) once out of AJHL, once out of USHL (Maritime connection), once out of NTDP. No Europeans out of Europe. None at all in the past three drafts except Lodin who is looking bust. That will be an interesting storyline to follow if we pick in Raymond/Stützle/Holtz/Lundell range.

I'm becoming convinced they're planning to draft Lafreniere...

Those are some interesting points you have made. I didn't know the connection between Strumm and Jarvis so I could see that influencing the Sens. Outside of the first round the main player I am interested in from the WHL is Matthew Rempe. He went undrafted, signed a contract with the Seattle Thunderbirds and has had a very solid debut season in the WHL. Seattle is a divisional rival of Portland and Rempe has something like 8 points in 8 games against them. Strumm has likely been at a handful of those games scouting Jarvis so I would assume that Rempe has caught his attention as well. The main other players out west that seem interesting are Carter Savoie and 2nd year eligible Alex Young from the AJHL, Cross Hanas from Portland and 2nd year eligible Logan Barlage from Lethbridge. Strumm would likely have seen a lot of Hanas from watching Jarvis but I am not sure about the other three.

Do Fargher and Janecyk cover all of the united states or just specific regions/leagues? The USNTDP is filled with talent so I could see the Sens targeting multiple players from there like Peterson, Tuch, Slaggert, Sanderson, Kleven, etc. From the USHL Brendan Brisson intriguing, I also like Nick Capone from Tri City as he had solid USHS Prep stats, has been decent in the USHL and is a punishing hitter like a Chris Neil or Tom Wilson. I kind of wonder if Jack Capuano has any connection to Capone, just a guess on the potential closeness of the Italian hockey community in New York. USHS-MN has Blake Biondi, Grant Slukynsky, Carsen Richels and Cole Hansen so I am not sure who covers them. The two other players in the United States that seem interesting are Timofei Khokhlachev in the NAHL and Kyle Mandleur in the NCDC. Khokhlachev's brother was drafted by Boston a while back and he is a big body with some skill. Mandleur is a second year eligible who has a massive frame and really lit up USHS-Prep a few years back and he is expected to play at the University of Vermont next year. I don't know if Janecyk or Faragjer cover those regions or not so I don't know if they are the scouts with potential eyes on those players.

Too your point maybe the Sens will be hesitant to draft Russians in the first round or maybe not. I think they will see a lot of value in the middle rounds though with some prospects that look like they could be solid NHL players. Players like Maxim Groshev, Maxim Beryozkin, Maxim Krovyakov, Bogdan Trineyev and Alexander Nikishin could all be on their watch list. They may even consider some of the 2nd year eligible prospects like Alexander Gordin, Danil Bashkirov and Danil Gutik among others. I also don't think there is great depth in Europeans playing in Europe so I would be surprised if we target one outside the first round.

I think that it is highly likely that the Sens will draft players that fit the style of play and identity they are trying to build. Dorion made a comment a while back that he would take a player on his team that isn't the most skilled but he won't ever have a player on his team again that won't compete. I see them valuing compete level, the ability to win one-on-one puck battles, be hard to play against and are committed to a 200 hundred foot game and them targeting players that fit that mold. Jarvis and Khusnutdinov fit that mold so they are likely high on both.

 

[MatchesMalone]

Those are some interesting points you have made. I didn't know the connection between Strumm and Jarvis so I could see that influencing the Sens. Outside of the first round the main player I am interested in from the WHL is Matthew Rempe. He went undrafted, signed a contract with the Seattle Thunderbirds and has had a very solid debut season in the WHL. Seattle is a divisional rival of Portland and Rempe has something like 8 points in 8 games against them. Strumm has likely been at a handful of those games scouting Jarvis so I would assume that Rempe has caught his attention as well. The main other players out west that seem interesting are Carter Savoie and 2nd year eligible Alex Young from the AJHL, Cross Hanas from Portland and 2nd year eligible Logan Barlage from Lethbridge. Strumm would likely have seen a lot of Hanas from watching Jarvis but I am not sure about the other three.

Do Fargher and Janecyk cover all of the united states or just specific regions/leagues? The USNTDP is filled with talent so I could see the Sens targeting multiple players from there like Peterson, Tuch, Slaggert, Sanderson, Kleven, etc. From the USHL Brendan Brisson intriguing, I also like Nick Capone from Tri City as he had solid USHS Prep stats, has been decent in the USHL and is a punishing hitter like a Chris Neil or Tom Wilson. I kind of wonder if Jack Capuano has any connection to Capone, just a guess on the potential closeness of the Italian hockey community in New York. USHS-MN has Blake Biondi, Grant Slukynsky, Carsen Richels and Cole Hansen so I am not sure who covers them. The two other players in the United States that seem interesting are Timofei Khokhlachev in the NAHL and Kyle Mandleur in the NCDC. Khokhlachev's brother was drafted by Boston a while back and he is a big body with some skill. Mandleur is a second year eligible who has a massive frame and really lit up USHS-Prep a few years back and he is expected to play at the University of Vermont next year. I don't know if Janecyk or Faragjer cover those regions or not so I don't know if they are the scouts with potential eyes on those players.

Too your point maybe the Sens will be hesitant to draft Russians in the first round or maybe not. I think they will see a lot of value in the middle rounds though with some prospects that look like they could be solid NHL players. Players like Maxim Groshev, Maxim Beryozkin, Maxim Krovyakov, Bogdan Trineyev and Alexander Nikishin could all be on their watch list. They may even consider some of the 2nd year eligible prospects like Alexander Gordin, Danil Bashkirov and Danil Gutik among others. I also don't think there is great depth in Europeans playing in Europe so I would be surprised if we target one outside the first round.

I think that it is highly likely that the Sens will draft players that fit the style of play and identity they are trying to build. Dorion made a comment a while back that he would take a player on his team that isn't the most skilled but he won't ever have a player on his team again that won't compete. I see them valuing compete level, the ability to win one-on-one puck battles, be hard to play against and are committed to a 200 hundred foot game and them targeting players that fit that mold. Jarvis and Khusnutdinov fit that mold so they are likely high on both.

I may have been unclear with my comment on Janecyk and Fargher. Fargher scouts the west. He was really big on Jared Cowen. I just grouped those two together because they're legacies. Neither has had a sterling record for some time now, but they were already old-timers when Dorion joined the scouting staff. He's never gonna fire them.

We used to have Bill McCarthy and one or two other guys in the states but they're no longer with the team. Dorion hired a couple new scouts in the past couple years. Steve Sterling is the new NCAA guy but of course the scouts that do US junior will have seen most of the NCAA players as well. Dan Boeser is now US midwest and Todd Sterling is US Northeast, both part-time. Janecyk likely oversees the whole area.

Regarding the Sens and picking Euros, I mean, it is kinda the same situation as Winnipeg a few years back. They didn't have much of a scouting contingent in Europe to start with and rarely picked out of Europe in their first few years in Winnipeg. But obviously they took Laine when he was available to them. I just think it makes too much sense, from a PR perspective, to do what it takes to draft Lafreniere. Personally, I would be pretty peeved if they swapped something like 5 and 6 for 1. But I'm also pretty sure I'd buy a Lafreniere jersey.

 

[Tuna99]

Ottawa needs with top 2 lottery picks:

#1 - Forward who can carry the puck into the zone under control and set up (Marner, Pat Kane, Crosby, Spezza)

#2 - Forward who can score from outside the slot and has one shot goal ability (Ovechkin, Pasternak, Laine, Matthews)

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Barzal’s got attitude issues though

havent heard. I probably wouldn't care though

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I may have been unclear with my comment on Janecyk and Fargher. Fargher scouts the west. He was really big on Jared Cowen. I just grouped those two together because they're legacies. Neither has had a sterling record for some time now, but they were already old-timers when Dorion joined the scouting staff. He's never gonna fire them.

We used to have Bill McCarthy and one or two other guys in the states but they're no longer with the team. Dorion hired a couple new scouts in the past couple years. Steve Sterling is the new NCAA guy but of course the scouts that do US junior will have seen most of the NCAA players as well. Dan Boeser is now US midwest and Todd Sterling is US Northeast, both part-time. Janecyk likely oversees the whole area.

Regarding the Sens and picking Euros, I mean, it is kinda the same situation as Winnipeg a few years back. They didn't have much of a scouting contingent in Europe to start with and rarely picked out of Europe in their first few years in Winnipeg. But obviously they took Laine when he was available to them. I just think it makes too much sense, from a PR perspective, to do what it takes to draft Lafreniere. Personally, I would be pretty peeved if they swapped something like 5 and 6 for 1. But I'm also pretty sure I'd buy a Lafreniere jersey.

do you have aaaaanny inside info on the Viktor Lodin pick lol

 

[MatchesMalone]

do you have aaaaanny inside info on the Viktor Lodin pick lol

Lol, I don't have any inside info on anything. Just a decade worth of Google research from publicly available sources. I've collected and shared it all here, Sens Scouting Staff.

Part I. Is information we know with some certainty based on post-draft interviews and such. Part II. is speculative based on which scouts draft which region, information that can generally be found with the press release whenever new scouts are hired, and elsewhere

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I have found a style comparison for lucas Raymond. Nathan mackinnon. on the wing.. his ferocious stick handling and shiftiness. might not have the same power YET but the way they move and create space.

 

[ijif]

For those interested, here are Lafreniere's best comparables mainly based on production, but also based on age, position, and draft status.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Ottawa needs with top 2 lottery picks:

#1 - Forward who can carry the puck into the zone under control and set up (Marner, Pat Kane, Crosby, Spezza)

#2 - Forward who can score from outside the slot and has one shot goal ability (Ovechkin, Pasternak, Laine, Matthews)

So Raymond and Holtz

 

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[Sens of Anarchy]

So Raymond and Holtz

or Lafreniere

 

[Hale The Villain]

Jarvis has 59P in 24GP in 2020 (2.46 PPG).

Leading his team in points by 30.

Kid really should be getting top 10 hype.

 

[MatchesMalone]

I didn't get a chance to watch, but game six of Toros Neftekamsk' playoff series went yesterday. With Toros down 1-0 and four minutes remaining in the third, Amirov assisted on the tying goal. They ended up losing in double OT. Amirov played 27:32 to lead all Toros forwards.

Game seven goes Saturday morning at 6am central. Time to see just how clutch this kid really is.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Jarvis has 59P in 24GP in 2020 (2.46 PPG).

Leading his team in points by 30.

Kid really should be getting top 10 hype.

Yeah, it isn't even just his point totals but also the way he plays. After watching this breakdown on him he has skyrocketed up my list. He seems like a great player for the Sens to target.

 

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[Micklebot]

Surprised both have Holtz in the top 4 and Raymond 9th. I haven't been following either all that close, but thought Raymond was seen as the higher upside player. I guess him struggling to produce in the SHL and Holtz doing fairly well has flipped things?

 

[jhutter]

Lottery is set for April 9th!

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Surprised both have Holtz in the top 4 and Raymond 9th. I haven't been following either all that close, but thought Raymond was seen as the higher upside player. I guess him struggling to produce in the SHL and Holtz doing fairly well has flipped things?

From my understanding Raymond was struggling in the SHL and was recently sent back to SuperElit. It seems like he was making some mistakes, for example Steve Kounianous (The Draft Analyst) had a recent post where he claimed Raymond only play 4:33 and was caught cherry picking on a play that lead to the opposition scoring and that it didn't seem like he got a shift after that. Holtz has seemed to adapt to the SHL better and has earned more trust with the coaches. Raymond still has a ton of upside but there might be aspects of his defensive game that he will need to improve. It does sound like he could fall in the draft. But there is still a lot to like about him.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Surprised both have Holtz in the top 4 and Raymond 9th. I haven't been following either all that close, but thought Raymond was seen as the higher upside player. I guess him struggling to produce in the SHL and Holtz doing fairly well has flipped things?

Not sure about these sources and how close they have watched them play. No question Holtz has better numbers this season although he is in a more favorable situation. IMO Raymond is still riding what he did in the U18 WJC and Hlinka. I would still have Raymond over Holtz but ... just a fan's opinion.
Kimelman NHL.com had Raymond going 3rd and Lepage had him 4.. Morreale had him 9 in there end of January Mock. Mock 2020 NHL Draft: Lafreniere consensus No. 1 pick. Only Morreale had Holtz ahead of Raymond. McKenzie had them 5,6 ... (I expect that means could go either way in a larger sample), McKeens had them 4,5 in their latest ranking (as of now). Both with Raymond edging Holtz. Button had Zary ahead of Holtz mid January.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Who Do you want from these pairs. Again no wrong answers , just your preference.

1. Drysdale and Perfetti
2. Raymond and Holtz

I am going with Drysdale and Perfetti

 

[bert]

Who Do you want from these pairs. Again no wrong answers , just your preference.

1. Drysdale and Perfetti
2. Raymond and Holtz

I am going with Drysdale and Perfetti

Agreed perfetti is a wizard.

 

[Crosside]

2 the Sweden duo