NHL Entry Draft 2020 NHL Draft Discussion - PART IV

[bert]

I would be very careful in that assessment, especially the points comparison. Rossi plays a complete game whereas Perfetti, like most draft eligible CHL players is not yet very well rounded. I point this out because I feel Rossi could probably add another 20% in the points column if he wasn’t as conscientious.

The good news is there is no questionable picks in the original list provided.

Feel fine with my assesment thanks. Rossi is a very efficient defender, ive literally posted about it but he doesnt have the size to be a matchup player.

 

[Runback]

Does anyone think that Rossi and Konecny are good comparables?

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Right and lundell would probably be close to that if he was in the German league. He has 25 in 39
You don’t think he would get, I don’t know, an extra 5 points in the German league? That would only be two less than stutzle.

I was talking about relative stats. Stutzle is 24th in the entire league in PPG. Lundell is 64th or something. If we think to consider that better players play in Liiga then other prospects wouldn't be scoring as easily but they have in Liiga. Seider, a recent 6th overall only had 6 points in 29 games = 0.21 PPG

Heiskanen, a 3rd overall pick had .27 PPG but also 2nd rounder pick Robin Salo (same year) had .30 PPG

Stutzle is crushing it in a league that is has been hard to score in and nooooo one has come anywhere close to his numbers. No one under the age of 27 has been even able to match his scoring pace.

 

[BondraTime]

DEL isn't far off from the Liiga either way

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Consider recent 25th overall pick Dominik Bokk (2018 draft)

In his D-1 season he played in DNL's U19 league.

His PPG was 1.73. Someone else, a year older, led the league with 2.08 PPG... Bokk led his age group and the next highest was 1.69.

Now consider Stutzle......

Last year, his D-1, he played in a year older age group in the DNL's U20 group...

HIS PPG WAS 2.62 the next highest was a guy 3 years older than him with a PPG of 2.00

The next highest person in Stutzle's age group, which is projected 1st rounder Lukas Reichel... had a 1.31

Stutzle is destroying the competition, even among coveted prospects. He could have the best offensive potential of anyone in this draft and rival Laf.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

DEL isn't far off from the Liiga either way

Yup.

 

[MatchesMalone]

When I was watching Amirov's last few games, I recalled that VHL and DEL are very similar in quality, so as a point of reference I was comparing Amirov to Stützle. The difference between the two is a lot less significant than some would have you believe. Both are high-end skaters. For both the best aspect of their skating is their edges, specifically their abilities to turn on a dime and to find holes and cut through traffic.

Amirov's vision and passing are fine, but they aren't his greatest strengths, while Stützle's are phenomenal. But I should give Amirov credit, he makes some really nifty short passes in tight spaces down low. Amirov is an exceptional stickhandler, but Stützle is next-level in that regard, so he gets the edge there too.

It looks like Amirov has a better shot, but he certainly uses it more. His ability off the puck to put himself in dangerous shooting positions is elite. Both players are quite good in puck battles, but Stützle has 20 pounds on him, so lots of room for Amirov to improve there; I was surprised how good he is along the boards in VHL given his size. And finally, Amirov is certainly the better defensive player; that's no slight to Stützle, as Amirov is among the best defensive forwards in the draft.

Amirov looks more NHL-translatable, but Stützle's skill level and hockey sense will make him a star wherever he goes.

 

[GCK]

Feel fine with my assesment thanks. Rossi is a very efficient defender, ive literally posted about it but he doesnt have the size to be a matchup player.

Marco Rossi - 5’9” 183 lbs
JG Pageau - 5’10” 180 lbs

I quite literally spent 4 days being bombarded with reply’s about how Pageau was an elite shutdown centre. If Pageau is big enough then I would have to assume Rossi can do it.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I think the byfield second guessing is absolutely ridiculous

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I was talking about relative stats. Stutzle is 24th in the entire league in PPG. Lundell is 64th or something. If we think to consider that better players play in Liiga then other prospects wouldn't be scoring as easily but they have in Liiga. Seider, a recent 6th overall only had 6 points in 29 games = 0.21 PPG

Heiskanen, a 3rd overall pick had .27 PPG but also 2nd rounder pick Robin Salo (same year) had .30 PPG

Stutzle is crushing it in a league that is has been hard to score in and nooooo one has come anywhere close to his numbers. No one under the age of 27 has been even able to match his scoring pace.

my argument isn't that stutzle is crap. its that perhaps lundell is better than some think

 

[Icelevel]

Marco Rossi - 5’9” 183 lbs
JG Pageau - 5’10” 180 lbs

I quite literally spent 4 days being bombarded with reply’s about how Pageau was an elite shutdown centre. If Pageau is big enough then I would have to assume Rossi can do it.

Well yeah maybe if he gets some new shoes or some extra thick socks. But we all know that’s unlikely. (??? )

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Does anyone think that Rossi and Konecny are good comparables?

comparables for what? stats projection? style? definitely not style

 

[GCK]

I think the byfield second guessing is absolutely ridiculous

Yeah I can’t see him not going #2 barring some combine disaster.

 

[Micklebot]

comparables for what? stats projection? style? definitely not style

I think both Rossi and Konecny have that very low center of gravity that helps them fight through checks despite their size.

 

[Crosside]

I just hope when we pick that Byfield was gone

 

[robsenz]

I think the byfield second guessing is absolutely ridiculous

I thought he could go first overall at one point, but I think there are definite question marks. He's obviously super talented, but he is going to need more seasoning than I initially thought he would, and even though I doubt he will bust in the longterm, I do see how that could be a possibility, or at least have some growing pains. I'm lucky to be able to watch him practice quite often cause my daughter practices after the wolves practices frequently. He's described as a Malkin clone, which is fair, but I'm not sure if he has that next gear or mean streak to be a force in the nhl

 

[bert]

Marco Rossi - 5’9” 183 lbs
JG Pageau - 5’10” 180 lbs

I quite literally spent 4 days being bombarded with reply’s about how Pageau was an elite shutdown centre. If Pageau is big enough then I would have to assume Rossi can do it.

Pageau is bigger, faster and has a better motor while barely being able to do it at his size. I dont think you want the player the sens are drafting where Rossi is being picked to be groomed as a 3rd line shut down center either. Ive met them both Pageau is atleast 2 inches taller. If i were you id be more careful with calling people out.

You also dont think Pageau is any good. What a strange player to compare him to from your viewpoint.

 

[bert]

I just hope when we pick that Byfield was gone

Strange thing to hope for. You dont want a top 3 pick?

 

[Crosside]

Strange thing to hope for. You dont want a top 3 pick?

Yeah but if we have the top 3. I take Stutzle if is here or if not Raymond

 

[DJB]

Does anyone think that Rossi and Konecny are good comparables?

The one thing they most certainly have in common is their compete level.

However to me Konecny is much more physical , but Rossi is the more cerebral player.

I still say Rossi reminds me of Giroux somewhat.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

my argument isn't that stutzle is crap. its that perhaps lundell is better than some think

100% and I’m completely with you on that. Stutzle though is much better offensively (from what he’s shown at least).

 

[GCK]

Pageau is bigger, faster and has a better motor while barely being able to do it at his size. I dont think you want the player the sens are drafting where Rossi is being picked to be groomed as a 3rd line shut down center either. Ive met them both Pageau is atleast 2 inches taller. If i were you id be more careful with calling people out.

You also dont think Pageau is any good. What a strange player to compare him to from your viewpoint.

I don’t think Pageau is an elite shutdown player, I used it as a comparison. If Pageau is two inches taller than Rossi, that makes Rossi at best 5’8” which would be generous as Pageau is a generous 5’10”. Good thing we have a combine now so we get true height / weight.

I think you have gotten to the over analyses phase with Rossi, I have him, Perfetti and Holtz as a coin flip for 5th through 7th top forwards since I haven’t seen Lundell against his peer group this year I leave him out (I still expect Lundell is in that coin flip group).

For the record your last comment is what is wrong with this forum. My opinion is Pageau is not elite like many in here seem to believe. This does not mean I think he is no good. I happen to think he is quite good just not a 25-30M type player. It seems here that it’s one extreme or the other and any nuanced discussion is met with more extreme.

 

[Imnotagoodposter]

Marco Rossi - 5’9” 183 lbs
JG Pageau - 5’10” 180 lbs

I quite literally spent 4 days being bombarded with reply’s about how Pageau was an elite shutdown centre. If Pageau is big enough then I would have to assume Rossi can do it.

Ya. Absolutely no idea what that other poster is talking about.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Here is a replay of the game earlier today between Loko and Ska-1946:
Main players to scout:
SKA-1946 (white):

• Marat Khusnutdinov (#22) C 5'9 165 lbs
• Maxim Krovyakov (#96) F 6'3 181 lbs
• Alexander Gordin (#78) F 6'1 194 lbs OA1

Here is a link to the full roster of Ska-1946:
SKA-1946 St. Petersburg at eliteprospects.com

Loko (red)

• Maxim Beryozkin (#72) LW/RW 6'2 201 lbs

Here is a link to the full roster for Loko:
Loko Yaroslavl at eliteprospects.com

As a note, there a multiple draft eligible players on both teams so if you notice another player that stands out be sure to make a comment on them.

 

[RAFI BOMB]