GDT: 2020 Free Agency Part II: Embrace the Grind

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[GirardSpinorama]

I think another season like the last, and a flat cap, or possibly a cap that even goes down, and Landy isn't getting $7M, let alone more than that. Makar isn't getting $9M either. Not that both aren't worth it, but there just won't be the $ available. I say both get short term deals for less, with the promise that once things return to normal, and the cap goes up, that they will get more.

Yup. Landeskog wasn't worth 7 this past year and Makar is a RFA. Sakic is a tough negotiator when it comes to long term contracts. I honestly LOVE all of his long term deals (5+ years). IMO any deal that impacts the re-signing of our franchise player (Mack); will be prudent and below market value. See Girard (1 mill discount), Rantanen (1.5 mill discount), Toews (~0.5 mill discount). So I can see Landeskog getting 6.5; Makar getting 8 on deals past Mack's. Prudent contracts that are slightly less than comparables.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

I think they'll benefit from some team friendly deals for UFA middle sixers looking to win a Cup too.

Other competitive teams benefit from deals for these kind of players every year. The Avs just haven't been a draw until last year, so they've had to either pay market price, or over pay guys to bring them in.

Yup, I don't think we will have too much depth issues after paying our core. We will either replace them with our prospects (ideal) with the backup plan of veterans looking to win a cup (i.e. a Zajac?, Hjalmarsson, our own Erik Johnson in a few years).

 

[Richard88]

Would be nice if Sakic could get in on this late-market cap crunch and sign a good player or two for <$1m to give us some extra depth.

 

[henchman21]

One of these players got 7x7, the other is Landy. In the last year before the contract for the player. Landy last season.

82 games 28G 23 A 51p .34 goals per game .28 assists per game .62 points per game
54 games 21 G 23A 44P .39 goals per game .43 assists per game .81 points per game

Landy's market rate is $8m, maybe 8.25m. Being in the 7s is a discount.

 

[MaKarter]

Yup, I don't think we will have too much depth issues after paying our core. We will either replace them with our prospects (ideal) with the backup plan of veterans looking to win a cup (i.e. a Zajac?, Hjalmarsson, our own Erik Johnson in a few years).

44 year old Joe Thornton

 

[The Abusement Park]

Yup. Landeskog wasn't worth 7 this past year and Makar is a RFA. Sakic is a tough negotiator when it comes to long term contracts. I honestly LOVE all of his long term deals (5+ years). IMO any deal that impacts the re-signing of our franchise player (Mack); will be prudent and below market value. See Girard (1 mill discount), Rantanen (1.5 mill discount), Toews (~0.5 mill discount). So I can see Landeskog getting 6.5; Makar getting 8 on deals past Mack's. Prudent contracts that are slightly less than comparables.

If you think Landy will only get 6.5... boy are you gonna be disappointed.

 

[Murzu]

Pure guesses:

Landy 50M total - 7 years, ~7,14 per year

Makar 63M total -7 years 9 per year

I'm optimistic.

 

[henchman21]

Pure guesses:

Landy 50M total - 7 years, ~7,14 per year

Makar 63M total -7 years 9 per year

I'm optimistic.

I don't think those are unrealistic, but the Avs would need to get Makar's signature before Hughes' puts his down in Vancouver.

 

[Murzu]

I don't think those are unrealistic, but the Avs would need to get Makar's signature before Hughes' puts his down in Vancouver.

Let's hope that Benning doesn't go nuts.

 

[henchman21]

Let's hope that Benning doesn't go nuts.

I'm not sure he's going to have much of a choice... Brisson is a tough negotiator, the Hughes family is well versed in the market, and this is a key opportunity to reset the RFA market. Especially because Buffalo is likely going to have Dahlin reset it first. On the plus side for the Avs, I can see Quinn's signing being pushed back as that negotiation gets tense.

 

[McMetal]

Let's hope that Benning doesn't go nuts.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

The Avs are fortunate that they played Makar in the playoffs and burned a year of his ELC.

The only thing that’s going to help them in that negotiation is proven years in the NHL.

 

[Richard88]

The Avs are fortunate that they played Makar in the playoffs and burned a year of his ELC.

The only thing that’s going to help them in that negotiation is proven years in the NHL.

Or they're unfortunate to not have another year of Makar on an ELC. Having an extra ~$8m in capspace would be nice to have in 2021/22.

 

[henchman21]

Or they're unfortunate to not have another year of Makar on an ELC. Having an extra ~$8m in capspace would be nice to have in 2021/22.

And another protection slot... but really what's done is done. Makar a great young defensemen who is worthy of resetting the market. It is about the best type of 'problem' to have as a team.

 

[The Abusement Park]

And another protection slot... but really what's done is done. Makar a great young defensemen who is worthy of resetting the market. It is about the best type of 'problem' to have as a team.

Yup. It’d be a lot different if we were protecting Kaut or Timmons. But as it is, Makar is one of the best players in the league and we are a better team with him so it made sense to get him in ASAP.

 

[Balthazar]

I don't think those are unrealistic, but the Avs would need to get Makar's signature before Hughes' puts his down in Vancouver.

I don't think he will because Sakic likes to take his time but ultimately it didn't matter for Marner/Rantanen so there's that.

I'm also not convinced that Makar will sign 7 or 8 years. Perhaps a bridge or even a 5 year deal to keep the AAV lower.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Or they're unfortunate to not have another year of Makar on an ELC. Having an extra ~$8m in capspace would be nice to have in 2021/22.

I guess it depends which way you look at it.

I don’t think that offseason is going to be too much of an issue. It probably could have given them a forward on a one year contract, but long term it’s going to be a savings. The more sample size, the more he’d get paid.

 

[Emell]

Let's hope that Benning doesn't go nuts.

I get the feeling the Makar/Hughes contract comparisons are going to look a lot like how Rantanen and Marner did towards each other

 

[Gatorbait19]

Yup. It’d be a lot different if we were protecting Kaut or Timmons. But as it is, Makar is one of the best players in the league and we are a better team with him so it made sense to get him in ASAP.

I also think that it was extremely important to see what Makar could do on the big stage last year, even if it was only 10 games. Remember, at that time we were still considering re-signing Tyson. The decision to trade him became a lot easier after we saw what Makar could do.

 

[Gatorbait19]

I get the feeling that Makar’s deal is going to be in the low to mid 8s. It probably would’ve been similar to Mikko’s but for the flat cap.

Part of me is also hoping/thinking that Cale will recognize that we did him a solid by bringing him up for the 2019 playoff run, shortening his ELC (yes I know we really did it for our benefit, but what’s good for the goose is good for the gander).

 

[PAZ]

I can see Sakic making an argument that Makar will be making an extra ~7-9 mil because he decided to burn a year off Makar's ELC.

 

[henchman21]

I can see Sakic making an argument that Makar will be making an extra ~7-9 mil because he decided to burn a year off Makar's ELC.

Makar’s agent response.

 

[PAZ]

Makar’s agent response.

Maybe Makar's agent is his dad who's a nice and humble guy who just likes hearing Joe talk.

 

[henchman21]

Maybe Makar's agent is his dad who's a nice and humble guy who just likes hearing Joe talk.

Bartlett isn't as big as the others, but they are every bit as cutthroat.