Seems that Judge was starting to do good things as the team began winning, then his actions after come into question. The argument with the O-line coach, the decline in play of the special teams, his expertise, his calls during the game, which include special teams calls (how often has Dion not made it to the 20, let alone the 25). And, of course, starting Jones, who isn't really better than McCoy and who was definitely not healthy. Would also love to know more about Hernandez, since he's somewhat in charge of the offensive line now.
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ponzu4u
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If any of you honestly think kicking 2 more field goals in the first half would have meant the Giants win that game, I've got a bridge to sell ya...
The team has NO PASS RUSH and were missing 2/3 of their starting CBs.
The chances of them being able to keep up points-wise with the Browns were minimal at best.
Our offense, the one that Gettleman has used 3 top 10 picks in the last 3 drafts to improve, is the 2nd worst in the entire league, ahead of only the Jets.
The team has NO PASS RUSH and were missing 2/3 of their starting CBs.
The chances of them being able to keep up points-wise with the Browns were minimal at best.
Our offense, the one that Gettleman has used 3 top 10 picks in the last 3 drafts to improve, is the 2nd worst in the entire league, ahead of only the Jets.
ponzu4u
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Also, the Browns were 0-16 (the NYG 5-11) leading up to the draft in which the Giants picked Saquon at #2, in case anyone was curious about how long it can take to build a team when done by a smart FO.
Gettleman was hired after a 3-13 NYG season in 2017
In 2017,
The Colts were 4-12
The Browns were 0-16
In 2018,
The Cardinals were 3-13
The 49ers were 4-12
The Packers were 6-9-1
In 2019
The Dolphins were 5-11
Good NFL front offices do not need 4-5 years just to build a mid-tier NFL roster.
Gettleman was hired after a 3-13 NYG season in 2017
In 2017,
The Colts were 4-12
The Browns were 0-16
In 2018,
The Cardinals were 3-13
The 49ers were 4-12
The Packers were 6-9-1
In 2019
The Dolphins were 5-11
Good NFL front offices do not need 4-5 years just to build a mid-tier NFL roster.
NYSPORTS
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doubt Johnny boy Mara gets rid of Dave. A new GM would likely want his own HC and QB. This is Gettleman’s 2nd Coach and his second QB if we count his Eli love. Get ready to flex that 5th year option for a HB who was touched by the hand of God already.
The Dolphins are who I'm looking at because I think it's largely coach driven and I think with Judge we'll see a solid season next year.
WojtekWolski86
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Jets sub might be more toxic than the Politics sub.
I wonder how long before the NFL institutes a lottery. Because you know the moment the league gets a whiff of a team overtly trying to tank they will change the rules.
I wonder how long before the NFL institutes a lottery. Because you know the moment the league gets a whiff of a team overtly trying to tank they will change the rules.
NYSPORTS
back afta dis. . .
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but we don’t see that. The Jets just went into LA and beat the Rams. Had they pulled another Raider stunt i would believe it but the Jets fired their DC and just won. The Jags keep getting worse, the Bengals lost their QB, etc. No signs of tanking.
Crease
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If the Jets pick #2, just trade down and see how Darnold does with a supporting cast.
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Don't think it's the easy. Just trading down isn't going to get you a bunch of guys who can contribute at a top level immediately and they need to decide before the year on his 5th year option. If you want to see him with a supporting cast it has to be next year and it's going to have to come from free agency. I think if you're planning on doing that you should also plan on immediately committing to Darnold for the next 3 or so years unless anything happens (awful play, a num 1 ovr pick, someone unexpected becoming available etc.). I don't have a problem with doing that but I think "just see how next year goes with Darnold" is likely a bad move.
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I Eat Crow
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The Giants are really not in a dissimilar situation as the Jets. They need help just about everywhere. Bradberry out last night and Mayfield having the easiest game of his career are evidence of this. I'd use the 1st this year (another top 10 pick) on an edge rusher if they're going to insist on using a 3-4 defense. 2nd and 3rd round picks on a corner and another corner or linebacker. The inside defensive line is fine.
Next need is a big WR. Literally a big guy that can get up and grab those balls like Plaxico Burress used to. The red zone offense last night was an embarrassment. 5'11" Sterling Shepherd and 6' Darius Slayton aren't going to win those jump balls. Sign Kenny Golladay from Detroit in free agency, get a healthy Saquon back and have him and Gallman split the back field, draft an edge rusher in the 1st, corner in the 2nd, cut Engram and Solder and go to war.
This is what I would do. If the Jets miss out on Lawrence, trade the #2 for three picks in the first two rounds and a 1st next year. Some team will do it.
Andrew Luck was supposed to be a can't miss QB but he wasn't the best QB in the draft. If you remove the Gase years Ryan Tannehill (drafted 8th) compares fairly well to Luck. Meanwhile Russell Wilson and Nick Foles (3rd rounders) are both superbowl champs. You make it sound like Justin Fields is just sloppy seconds. Don't fall for the media hype. Most scouts consider them very close. We'll get a better look at both on new years day.
Maximus
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Sooooo... like I said last night, we here in Jet Nation should all be prepared to either say hello to Justin Fields cause that's who Douglass is going to be tempted too pick or a non-QB whoever that might be.
Douglass is a smart guy tho. The correct move tho and this is the route I believe Douglass will ultimately end up going will be too trade down with let's say the Cowboys at #5 who might not want to pay Dak all that cash coming off a devastating injury. Or to Carolina at #6 a team that could easily be in love with a Fields and has a Bridgewater still for another year for Fields to learn behind.
If Douglass, who should be able to get an RGIII type haul for the 2nd overall pick...if we use Carolina for example, we should be able to get a #6 overall, a 2021 2nd rounder and two 1st rounders in both 2022 and 2023.
Now I know I'm being kind of positive here about the shit that went down yesterday but I do see us now, if we aren't going to get the next Elway like it appears we won't be cause we all know the Jags aint winning another game, with an opportunity to do some serious restocking of the tool shed.
If Douglass can pull something like what I suggested off and bring back a haul, considering how much shit this team needs combined with how quickly things can turn around for NFL franchises(ie Cleveland 0-16 just three years ago...Colts 4-12 also three years ago), I don't think alot of us would be complaining.
Yes that would mean we would have another year of Darnold but with better coaching(hello Joe Brady?) and maybe an Allen Robinson brought in via UFA along with an improved O-line which you know is a priority for Douglass, I think the Jets would be headed in the right direction and it wouldn't be crazy to think they could be relevant in 2-3 years.
So yeah I'm still stinging and in shock a bit from yesterday like most of y'all, but maybe just maybe it was a blessing in disguise....hmmmm
Douglass is a smart guy tho. The correct move tho and this is the route I believe Douglass will ultimately end up going will be too trade down with let's say the Cowboys at #5 who might not want to pay Dak all that cash coming off a devastating injury. Or to Carolina at #6 a team that could easily be in love with a Fields and has a Bridgewater still for another year for Fields to learn behind.
If Douglass, who should be able to get an RGIII type haul for the 2nd overall pick...if we use Carolina for example, we should be able to get a #6 overall, a 2021 2nd rounder and two 1st rounders in both 2022 and 2023.
Now I know I'm being kind of positive here about the shit that went down yesterday but I do see us now, if we aren't going to get the next Elway like it appears we won't be cause we all know the Jags aint winning another game, with an opportunity to do some serious restocking of the tool shed.
If Douglass can pull something like what I suggested off and bring back a haul, considering how much shit this team needs combined with how quickly things can turn around for NFL franchises(ie Cleveland 0-16 just three years ago...Colts 4-12 also three years ago), I don't think alot of us would be complaining.
Yes that would mean we would have another year of Darnold but with better coaching(hello Joe Brady?) and maybe an Allen Robinson brought in via UFA along with an improved O-line which you know is a priority for Douglass, I think the Jets would be headed in the right direction and it wouldn't be crazy to think they could be relevant in 2-3 years.
So yeah I'm still stinging and in shock a bit from yesterday like most of y'all, but maybe just maybe it was a blessing in disguise....hmmmm
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Maximus
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I just had this epiphany or nightmare...whatever you want to call it. Would anyone who has been a fan of this god forsaken cursed franchise of ours truly be surprised if next week after the Jets lose to the Browns we turn on the Jags/Bears game and incredibly the Jags beat the Bears as Trubisky turns into...ummm Trubisky. We all start getting pumped up again as the football gods are teasing us again.
So than in week 16 with the possibility of Lawrence once again dancing in our eyes, all of us are paranoid that Belichek is going to rest his starters, ends up actually doing it and the Jets end up beating the Patriots while the Jags lose to the Colts and we lose out on Lawrence for the 2nd time!.
I've read numerous times last night and this morning that what happened yesterday with the Jets 17 point dogs going out to LA and beating the Rams and the possibility of Lawrence coming here being history, the most Jet like thing ever.
Well I disagree, there is one way still to trump what happened yesterday and that is the scenario I just painted where the Jags beat the Bears but we end up beating the Pats which quite frankly is absolutely within the realm of possibility.
Now that my friends would be the most Jet like thing ever!!
So than in week 16 with the possibility of Lawrence once again dancing in our eyes, all of us are paranoid that Belichek is going to rest his starters, ends up actually doing it and the Jets end up beating the Patriots while the Jags lose to the Colts and we lose out on Lawrence for the 2nd time!.
I've read numerous times last night and this morning that what happened yesterday with the Jets 17 point dogs going out to LA and beating the Rams and the possibility of Lawrence coming here being history, the most Jet like thing ever.
Well I disagree, there is one way still to trump what happened yesterday and that is the scenario I just painted where the Jags beat the Bears but we end up beating the Pats which quite frankly is absolutely within the realm of possibility.
Now that my friends would be the most Jet like thing ever!!
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Maximus
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I hear ya that was a rough one to take especially cause it was Marino.
For me, and there obviously have been a hundred horrendous Jet losses over the years but the one for me that sticks in my craw and I'm still not over is the 1986 AFC divisional game vs Cleveland when with the Jets just 3 minutes away from heading to the AFC title game up 20-10, the ass clown Mark friggen Gastineau with the Browns in a 3rd and forever situation at their own 25 yard line, gets a roughing the passer penalty on Bernie Kosar for no reason whatsoever which keeps the drive alive and the Browns ultimately end up beating us in Double OT....uggggghhh
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JimmyG89
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Either take Sewell at #2 or move down. I do not like Fields enough to take him at #2 with the other QB options potentially available further down the board or the talent available at #2.
Sewell and Becton on the ends of the line sets the team up for nearly a decade. Yes, they'll need interior OL help, but having two stud tackles gives you all the protection you need against the elite edge rushers.
Moving down opens up having a Waddle, Devonta Smith there for you to get your #1 receiver for a decade. Both are elite. Chase will be gone in the top 5, so unless you are moving from 2 to 3-5, he'll be gone.
The big thing is their #1 needs to either be an offensive player or one of the elite corners. No DL, and I don't see an edge rusher that high that I like. Even without Lawrence, which is heartbreaking, I still think Darnold is a better option than any of the other QBs and you can actually add pieces around him that are young and find out. If he isn't the guy after that, you'll have options coming up tonfind that QB with a more established roster.
Sewell and Becton on the ends of the line sets the team up for nearly a decade. Yes, they'll need interior OL help, but having two stud tackles gives you all the protection you need against the elite edge rushers.
Moving down opens up having a Waddle, Devonta Smith there for you to get your #1 receiver for a decade. Both are elite. Chase will be gone in the top 5, so unless you are moving from 2 to 3-5, he'll be gone.
The big thing is their #1 needs to either be an offensive player or one of the elite corners. No DL, and I don't see an edge rusher that high that I like. Even without Lawrence, which is heartbreaking, I still think Darnold is a better option than any of the other QBs and you can actually add pieces around him that are young and find out. If he isn't the guy after that, you'll have options coming up tonfind that QB with a more established roster.
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Wilson is the best QB in that draft and it's certainly possible someone in this draft will end up better than Lawrence but Lawrence and Fields are not considered close at all as prospects. Fields isn't even the consensus second best QB in the draft.
East Coast Bias
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I would definitely go Wilson over Fields (or any of the rest). Most of the mocks I've seen lately have Wilson going high now. For awhile he was mid to late 1st. But he's shot up the board
I dont know that trading down is going to have the value. The only other team with multiple firsts is Miami (Houston and their own) - but they won't need to trade up.
17futurecap
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Can Sam throw for 250 yards in a game before we are bringing him back for year 4? In the NFL in 2020, and his high this year is 230 yards, flat out embarrassing, I don't care who the receivers or coach are.
Them winning yesterday is exactly how they were winning games at the end of the year last season, just an absolute waste.
Them winning yesterday is exactly how they were winning games at the end of the year last season, just an absolute waste.
Not over yet, the Jets can still get the #1 pick. But that said, the Jets are simply a cursed franchise lol. They can never even lose correctly.
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