OT: 2020 Football Thread: We Still Suck

[NYSPORTS]

Either take Sewell at #2 or move down. I do not like Fields enough to take him at #2 with the other QB options potentially available further down the board or the talent available at #2.

Sewell and Becton on the ends of the line sets the team up for nearly a decade. Yes, they'll need interior OL help, but having two stud tackles gives you all the protection you need against the elite edge rushers.

Moving down opens up having a Waddle, Devonta Smith there for you to get your #1 receiver for a decade. Both are elite. Chase will be gone in the top 5, so unless you are moving from 2 to 3-5, he'll be gone.

The big thing is their #1 needs to either be an offensive player or one of the elite corners. No DL, and I don't see an edge rusher that high that I like. Even without Lawrence, which is heartbreaking, I still think Darnold is a better option than any of the other QBs and you can actually add pieces around him that are young and find out. If he isn't the guy after that, you'll have options coming up tonfind that QB with a more established roster.

Have to hit on Sewell. Reports rave about him but i would be wary of anybody taking a full year off. Two mountains at OT makes the whole team better. The QB has time, the receivers get open and the HB has room to run. Great option but, gee, a full year off.

Should trade down IMO. An OT at #2 overall with so many teams looking for less expensive QB is risky imo.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Wilson is the best QB in that draft and it's certainly possible someone in this draft will end up better than Lawrence but Lawrence and Fields are not considered close at all as prospects. Fields isn't even the consensus second best QB in the draft.

you feel Wilson is better than Lawrence?

IDK, Lawrence demonstrated he can do it on the big stage. He’s been in the spot light, appears genuine with his answers to questions, etc. He’s huge, mobile, accurate, etc. I think it’s tough to put anybody above him.

 

[JimmyG89]

One thing about NFL QBs, take a look at where they went to school. How many come from top of the line programs? Watson is the one guy that stands out to me, and he did go to Clemson. Murray and Mayfield went to OU, which is a big program, but there are still a lot of questions. Burrow looks legit out of LSU, but even he managed to jump from Ohio State to get there.

It's the one thing that is tough to project how they will do in the pros. Obviously there are changes in college where the QB is more of the reason why teams win, but when you are in a top program, you have the best of the best OL, RB, and WRs. The top guys this year, one went to Texas Tech, another went to Cal. The all time passing leader went to Purdue. The first half MVP went to Wisconsin after being in South Carolina. The QB taking the biggest leap this year went to Wyoming.

I'm not going to say that Lawrence will fail since he has been on a top 2 NCAA team and will be go to either dumpster fire in Jacksonville or with the Jets, but more that you don't really know how some of these other guys that are not in big programs will show once they get into the league and have supremely better talent around them than they did while in college. Lawrence is someone that projects to be a future MVP, but the last guy that had this kind of projection retired since his team ruined him by having no offensive line support and put it all on his shoulders.

 

[Maximus]

Even if Douglass decides to trade down from the #2 overall which as I said earlier I think he's going to do and gets a haul, I want him to take Etienne with our back of the 1st round #1 pick from Seattle that we got in the Jamal trade. We need someone explosive like that. Let it be written let it be done!

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

Giants draft should be easy. Try to find a team dumb enough to offer up a second for Engram thinking he will flourish with their team. If not a 3rd at least. Trade down and try to pick up another second. If they can get two second rounders plus their first, take two WR's and a new TE. The Giants WR's are slow, suck at running routes and don't get open. Engram sucks at running routes and doesn't get open. Then the following draft if they are going to stick with the 3-4, try to find a dominant, pass rushing OLB.

 

[sbjnyc]

you feel Wilson is better than Lawrence?

IDK, Lawrence demonstrated he can do it on the big stage. He’s been in the spot light, appears genuine with his answers to questions, etc. He’s huge, mobile, accurate, etc. I think it’s tough to put anybody above him.

We were referring to Russell Wilson who turned out to be the best QB in a draft with consensus generational player Andrew Luck.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

We were referring to Russell Wilson who turned out to be the best QB in a draft with consensus generational player Andrew Luck.

If there's a 3rd round pick that's better than Lawrence in this draft the Jets still need to draft him.

 

[Ruggs225]

I was really happy the Jets won. I never can root for my team to lose and do not want to have a winless season. Its good for the players them to win a game too.

i am fine missing out on Lawrence. It is what it is. More than a QB, we need playmakers on both sides of the ball and good coaches. I still believe in Darnold. But a prime Peyton manning wasnt winning more than 3 games with the crap in feont of him.

If the jets are smart u trade down the #2 for pick for more high draft stock such as 2 first round picks and at least one 2 and 3. Then u pick a good WR and CB with the firsts this year.

 

[SA16]

I think there is some serious underrating of the Jets receivers? Are they great? No. Are they among the worst groups in the league? Yes. But it's not a total disaster. It's not like the week they were running out guys like Jeff Smith, Braxton Berrios and such as starters. Crowder is a very good slot receiver. Perriman is a very good deep threat who has always had problems staying healthy. Mims looks like has a lot of potential. The line, outside of Becton, is a problem but I bet any good QB would perform perfectly well with the Jets offense.

 

[sbjnyc]

Wilson is the best QB in that draft and it's certainly possible someone in this draft will end up better than Lawrence but Lawrence and Fields are not considered close at all as prospects. Fields isn't even the consensus second best QB in the draft.

I shouldn't have said close but that that the scouts feel that he's closed the gap significantly. I'm not sure I agree with Fields not being consensus #2 QB in the draft. Trey Lance has start 17 games total? None against an FBS team. Zach Wilson doesn't seem to have the arm strength according to scouting reports I've seen. If you look at Josh Allan the concerns with him were always about accuracy which apparently took 2 years to correct, but at least that can be corrected. If the Jets finish with the #2 pick I'm ok with trading down and drafting a stud WR first.

Fields had a phenomenal season last year with the hardest SoS in the NCAA but hasn't been as good this year. That said, its hard to judge what's been going on this season (aside from the farce that the playoffs have become).

And imagine if the Jets didn't have epic meltdowns and beaten the Pats and Raiders.

 

[Maximus]

I was really happy the Jets won. I never can root for my team to lose and do not want to have a winless season. Its good for the players them to win a game too.

i am fine missing out on Lawrence. It is what it is. More than a QB, we need playmakers on both sides of the ball and good coaches. I still believe in Darnold. But a prime Peyton manning wasnt winning more than 3 games with the crap in feont of him.

If the jets are smart u trade down the #2 for pick for more high draft stock such as 2 first round picks and at least one 2 and 3. Then u pick a good WR and CB with the firsts this year.

I'm with you. I want Etienne tho and he likely will be available when the Jets pick late in the 1st round. He's exactly what the Jets need. When was the last time the Jets had an insanely talented offensive skilled player? Can you say never.

Someone like him with an improved O-line, even if the Jets still stink would be the kind of threat that would keep opposing DC's up at night figuring out how to contain him.

 

[sbjnyc]

I think there is some serious underrating of the Jets receivers? Are they great? No. Are they among the worst groups in the league? Yes. But it's not a total disaster. It's not like the week they were running out guys like Jeff Smith, Braxton Berrios and such as starters. Crowder is a very good slot receiver. Perriman is a very good deep threat who has always had problems staying healthy. Mims looks like has a lot of potential. The line, inside of Becton, is a problem but I bet any good QB would perform perfectly well with the Jets offense.

Darnold put the ball right in Berrios' hands for what should have been a TD on 3rd down on a play any top WR would have come down with. Herndon has dropped tons of key passes. The problem is that the Jets were missing Mims, Crowder and Perriman for half the season.

 

[sbjnyc]

If there's a 3rd round pick that's better than Lawrence in this draft the Jets still need to draft him.

Jets had the chance to draft Mahomes and Watson. I certainly don't advocate not taking Lawrence if they have the chance but the Jets have a long history of drafting the wrong QB. I mean they passed on Dan Marino too.

 

[SA16]

I shouldn't have said close but that that the scouts feel that he's closed the gap significantly. I'm not sure I agree with Fields not being consensus #2 QB in the draft. Trey Lance has start 17 games total? None against an FBS team. Zach Wilson doesn't seem to have the arm strength according to scouting reports I've seen. If you look at Josh Allan the concerns with him were always about accuracy which apparently took 2 years to correct, but at least that can be corrected. If the Jets finish with the #2 pick I'm ok with trading down and drafting a stud WR first.

Fields had a phenomenal season last year with the hardest SoS in the NCAA but hasn't been as good this year. That said, its hard to judge what's been going on this season (aside from the farce that the playoffs have become).

And imagine if the Jets didn't have epic meltdowns and beaten the Pats and Raiders.

NFL 2021 Mock Draft Updates: Jets go from Trevor Lawrence to wide open

"The second tier is made up of three quarterback prospects who are fighting for positioning to be the second, third and fourth quarterbacks drafted (probably all in the top-10 picks): BYU’s Zach Wilson, Ohio State’s Justin Fields and North Dakota State’s Trey Lance.
Based on feedback from around the league, I don’t think there will be any type of consensus from team-to-team on the order of those three quarterbacks. However, I do think Wilson is the current favorite to be the second quarterback drafted."

Just one article but I've seen some other things today. Not talking from any personal experience. I'm really not a fan of college football and haven't seen many of these guys play. Just going off of what I've been reading.

Darnold put the ball right in Berrios' hands for what should have been a TD on 3rd down on a play any top WR would have come down with. Herndon has dropped tons of key passes. The problem is that the Jets were missing Mims, Crowder and Perriman for half the season.

Yea, Berrios is bad. The other three are perfectly fine and any good QB would perform with them. They've had a lot of injuries throughout the year and Darnold hasn't been good enough to elevate random guys like Berrios (See Deshaun Watson with Chad Hansen as an example for someone who has).

I'm with you. I want Etienne tho and he likely will be available when the Jets pick late in the 1st round. He's exactly what the Jets need. When was the last time the Jets had an insanely talented offensive skilled player? Can you say never.

Someone like him with an improved O-line, even if the Jets still stink would be the kind of threat that would keep opposing DC's up at night figuring out how to contain him.

Taking a RB in the 1st round would be outrageously bad for the Jets.

 

[sbjnyc]

Taking a RB in the 1st round would be outrageously bad for the Jets.

Even worse is the rumor that the Jets might trade for Zeke.

 

[NYSPORTS]

We were referring to Russell Wilson who turned out to be the best QB in a draft with consensus generational player Andrew Luck.

lol, oh. I thought you were posting about Zach Wilson who will likely go early for this draft.

 

[SA16]

Even worse is the rumor that the Jets might trade for Zeke.

I have absolutely zero problem with the Jets just running with Ty Johnson/Lamichael Perine/random cheap FA signing /random late draft pick at RB next year. And I believe that is what they should do.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Even worse is the rumor that the Jets might trade for Zeke.

How? Dallas would get crushed with dead money.

Want Barkley?

 

[NYSPORTS]

Giants draft should be easy. Try to find a team dumb enough to offer up a second for Engram thinking he will flourish with their team. If not a 3rd at least. Trade down and try to pick up another second. If they can get two second rounders plus their first, take two WR's and a new TE. The Giants WR's are slow, suck at running routes and don't get open. Engram sucks at running routes and doesn't get open. Then the following draft if they are going to stick with the 3-4, try to find a dominant, pass rushing OLB.

Giants draft should be easy followed by the impossible

 

[East Coast Bias]

Has Darnold had one really good game all year?

I understand the argument that the surrounding cast is bad, but that hurts consistency more than anything. Sure the cast hasn't been good enough to sustain success but even beyond last year - have you ever hit a point where you were wowed by Darnold? Where you felt he was dominant?

Because plenty of good QBs are surrounded by bad lines, no running game, average receivers but still win games here and there. Eagles, Texans, WFT, Giants, Bengals, and Seattle have all allowed more sacks. The Jets are middle of the pack on YPC so the run game isn't historically bad.

At some point you have to adjust for the talent level and evaluate Darnold. Flacco has more TD passes (and arguably as many good games) as Darnold in half the games and attempts. The talent prevents Darnold from having a great season. But we should get a few dominant games sprinkled in. A game where he single handedly wins the game.

 

[sbjnyc]

How? Dallas would get crushed with dead money.

Per overthecap.com a trade after June 1 results in $4 million dead cap.

 

[sbjnyc]

Has Darnold had one really good game all year?

I understand the argument that the surrounding cast is bad, but that hurts consistency more than anything. Sure the cast hasn't been good enough to sustain success but even beyond last year - have you ever hit a point where you were wowed by Darnold? Where you felt he was dominant?

Because plenty of good QBs are surrounded by bad lines, no running game, average receivers but still win games here and there. Eagles, Texans, WFT, Giants, Bengals, and Seattle have all allowed more sacks. The Jets are middle of the pack on YPC so the run game isn't historically bad.

At some point you have to adjust for the talent level and evaluate Darnold. Flacco has more TD passes (and arguably as many good games) as Darnold in half the games and attempts. The talent prevents Darnold from having a great season. But we should get a few dominant games sprinkled in. A game where he single handedly wins the game.

I can't argue against this but I'll just say that Gase might be that bad. Consider Tannehill with and without Gase.

 

[East Coast Bias]

I can't argue against this but I'll just say that Gase might be that bad. Consider Tannehill with and without Gase.

Yea that's fair. I do believe he would be better elsewhere. And I'm sure he will have his moments. I'm just comfortable from what I've seen that I think he's not the franchise QB.

I guess I just think the decision needs to be made on Darnold now. He's due 10m next year, then you're going to have to give him a deal. And the deal he gets will probably be immediately bad unless he takes a big step forward. That also means you need to sign players in FA, draft well, and be ready to win now. You can't take the 3-5 year plan with Darnold.

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

Jets will be fine with their current QB if they hire a coach who isn't a complete dumbass. That and draft a real RB not relying on an old, great relic. Jesus. Put some talent around the kid. Same with the Giants.

 

[sbjnyc]

Yea that's fair. I do believe he would be better elsewhere. And I'm sure he will have his moments. I'm just comfortable from what I've seen that I think he's not the franchise QB.

I guess I just think the decision needs to be made on Darnold now. He's due 10m next year, then you're going to have to give him a deal. And the deal he gets will probably be immediately bad unless he takes a big step forward. That also means you need to sign players in FA, draft well, and be ready to win now. You can't take the 3-5 year plan with Darnold.

Yes I think you have to trade him. You can sign a veteran and trade down to draft a WR or draft another QB and hope for the best.

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