OT: 2020 Football Thread: We Still Suck

[KirkAlbuquerque]

you feel Wilson is better than Lawrence?

IDK, Lawrence demonstrated he can do it on the big stage. He’s been in the spot light, appears genuine with his answers to questions, etc. He’s huge, mobile, accurate, etc. I think it’s tough to put anybody above him.

Wilson wasn’t a blue chip GeNEraTIoNaL prospect, but he ended up being an elite NFL QB. Now, I don’t expect the Jets to unearth and develop a guy like that, but the point is you don’t need the 1st overall pick to get a great QB

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Jets will be fine with their current QB if they hire a coach who isn't a complete dumbass. That and draft a real RB not relying on an old, great relic. Jesus. Put some talent around the kid. Same with the Giants.

Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield both looked like trash last year. Give them good weapons and good coaching at look at them now. For Sam though I’m worried there’s irreversible damage.

 

[SA16]

Wilson wasn’t a blue chip GeNEraTIoNaL prospect, but he ended up being an elite NFL QB. Now, I don’t expect the Jets to unearth and develop a guy like that, but the point is you don’t need the 1st overall pick to get a great QB

To be perfectly fair, based on what I've read, people did consider Wilson's abilities at that level but there's a massive bias against shorter QBs so they all dropped his draft stock.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Can I ask you kind folks why is everyone so sure that Jacksonville will lose out? I have a feeling Jacksonville will surprise and win one of those games. Chicago is very much in play.

 

[SA16]

Can I ask you kind folks why is everyone so sure that Jacksonville will lose out? I have a feeling Jacksonville will surprise and win one of those games. Chicago is very much in play.

Typical doom and gloom. They probably will but most systems have them at ~65-70% to get the number 1 overall pick. Likely, but hardly a sure thing.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Typical doom and gloom. They probably will but most systems have them at ~65-70% to get the number 1 overall pick. Likely, but hardly a sure thing.

So I will defy the laws of probability and I'm aware of the lack of logic behind this. That said there have never been two 1-15 teams in the same season. It's insanely hard to go 1-15. I don't think every game is completely uncorrelated. Teams tend to play better when desperate and no one wants to be 1-15, just like the Jets didn't want to go 0-16.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

So, I come on here and call Mayfield a league-average QB, and ever since he's been playing like Montana.

Wish I had that power over players on the Rangers.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield both looked like trash last year. Give them good weapons and good coaching at look at them now. For Sam though I’m worried there’s irreversible damage.

meh Allen was good last year. The conversation was more can he win playoff games with his style. But he took it to a next level this year with real
Weapons

baker was really good rookie year then stepped back last season. He’s been good this year but it’s bc they finally play a style that fits him. They run a lot, he’s good on play action and throwing it shorter. When OBJ got hurt they had to stop forcing it downfield so much.

Darnold hasn’t put up a season even close to them. With the exception of Allen’s rookie year where he was rough.

 

[sbjnyc]

So I will defy the laws of probability and I'm aware of the lack of logic behind this. That said there have never been two 1-15 teams in the same season. It's insanely hard to go 1-15. I don't think every game is completely uncorrelated. Teams tend to play better when desperate and no one wants to be 1-15, just like the Jets didn't want to go 0-16.

There has never been a 1-15 team that did not get the #1 overall pick.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

There has never been a 1-15 team that did not get the #1 overall pick.

That's what I'm saying. But I guess there's a first time for everything.

 

[Maximus]

NFL 2021 Mock Draft Updates: Jets go from Trevor Lawrence to wide open





Taking a RB in the 1st round would be outrageously bad for the Jets.

Dude I get it...the rule in the NFL says you never take a RB in the first round. Well there are exeptions to every rule and Etienne is the exception this so called rule.

This kid is special...major league home run hitter as he's the complete package. Jets have never had anyone like him....EVER!!...Time to change that because it's worked out so well for us to not have a weapon like him over the years...right? Have you seen him play? If so, you see how ridiculous he is. There is no one like him coming out of college or even close!

We wouldn't be taking him in the top 5 like a Fourcette, Saquon or an Ezekiel....we are talking about late 1st round which is perfect time to take him. Heck if we could do what the Vikings did and take Etienne in the 2nd round like they did with Dalvin Cook a few years ago....great. But he won't be available than and I wouldn't take the chance he will be cause another team will be chomping at the bit for him.

I'm not saying you forgoe drafting an O-lineman Douglass might like there if he slips but if Etienne is staring at us with let's say the 27th pick, if I'm Douglass I snag Etienne and don't look back and use the dozen or so other draft pieces we'll have as well as zillions of dollars to address other needs. Etienne is a special animal...he'd be awesome in Jet green and white!

 

[Maximus]

Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield both looked like trash last year. Give them good weapons and good coaching at look at them now. For Sam though I’m worried there’s irreversible damage.

I dunno Kirk...give Darnold a Joe Brady or a Brian Dabol to learn from, I'm not so sure Sam couldn't turn out just fine. Add an Allen Robinson to the mix along with an improved O-line to give him more time to go thru his progressions and reads....hmmmm....maybe just maybe Darnold could be guy we could win with...just sayin!...

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

meh Allen was good last year. The conversation was more can he win playoff games with his style. But he took it to a next level this year with real
Weapons

baker was really good rookie year then stepped back last season. He’s been good this year but it’s bc they finally play a style that fits him. They run a lot, he’s good on play action and throwing it shorter. When OBJ got hurt they had to stop forcing it downfield so much.

Darnold hasn’t put up a season even close to them. With the exception of Allen’s rookie year where he was rough.

Allen was not good last year. He was the clear weak link on a very good team. He never even had a 300 yard passing game until this season. He was awful in the playoffs vs Houston. Darnold was better year one and two but was just on a way worse team. The Bills did everything right in supporting Allen with a great offensive line, improved weapons and then cherry on top when they got Diggs this past offseason. Plus they have a good coach with continuity since Allen arrived.

Kitchens was a horrible coach which is why Mayfield regressed last season even after they added a bunch of weapons. They finally got a good coach (and an improved o-line).

Sam has never had a good coach, a good line, or good weapons, which is why he got ruined.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I dunno Kirk...give Darnold a Joe Brady or a Brian Dabol to learn from, I'm not so sure Sam couldn't turn out just fine. Add an Allen Robinson to the mix along with an improved O-line to give him more time to go thru his progressions and reads....hmmmm....maybe just maybe Darnold could be guy we could win with...just sayin!...

I hope so. I want Sam to have success even if its on a different team, the Jets totally f***ed him over.

 

[Maximus]

Can I ask you kind folks why is everyone so sure that Jacksonville will lose out? I have a feeling Jacksonville will surprise and win one of those games. Chicago is very much in play.

I'm kind of with you. I spelled out the scenario earlier as this would be THE most Jet like thing to occur. I'll reiterate it once again:

Jets lose to the Browns next week but Trubisky turns into the real Trubisky and not this imposter who has been portraying him the past 3 weeks. He throws 3 picks and Jags upset the Bears giving the Jets once again the leg up on Lawrence. Jet Nation is relieved as the football gods actually are smiling upon us for a change of pace.

Week 16 comes and Jags lose to the Colts BUT and here's where the most "Jet like thing" too occur happens. Belechik who never ever benchs his starters even when he has home field in the playoffs all wrapped up in the past, decides for shits and giggles, he'll bench Cam and some of the other starters and gives some of his kids a chance to play. The Jets don't know what to do other than play hard and they win the friggen game and once and for all hand Trevor Lawrence over to the Jags and once again Jet Nation is besides itself ruing our rotten luck, cursing the football gods and Belichek and once again saying we are simply cursed and we always will be.

Now you or anyone tell me that you can't possibly see something like that playing out? I dare you!!....lol

 

[NYSPORTS]

when you're the best prospect in your sport you don't go to a good team . . . unless you're in the NHL

LGR

 

[darko]

Imagine the melts if Belichick goes full heel and rests his starters.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

when you're the best prospect in your sport you don't go to a good team . . . unless you're in the NHL

LGR

Spurs in 97, also, no?

 

[SA16]

Dude I get it...the rule in the NFL says you never take a RB in the first round. Well there are exeptions to every rule and Etienne is the exception this so called rule.

This kid is special...major league home run hitter as he's the complete package. Jets have never had anyone like him....EVER!!...Time to change that because it's worked out so well for us to not have a weapon like him over the years...right? Have you seen him play? If so, you see how ridiculous he is. There is no one like him coming out of college or even close!

We wouldn't be taking him in the top 5 like a Fourcette, Saquon or an Ezekiel....we are talking about late 1st round which is perfect time to take him. Heck if we could do what the Vikings did and take Etienne in the 2nd round like they did with Dalvin Cook a few years ago....great. But he won't be available than and I wouldn't take the chance he will be cause another team will be chomping at the bit for him.

I'm not saying you forgoe drafting an O-lineman Douglass might like there if he slips but if Etienne is staring at us with let's say the 27th pick, if I'm Douglass I snag Etienne and don't look back and use the dozen or so other draft pieces we'll have as well as zillions of dollars to address other needs. Etienne is a special animal...he'd be awesome in Jet green and white!

We hear this about a running back nearly every single season. I don’t care how late it is in the first round. It is massively easier to find a quality running back late in the draft than it is to find a receiver, or linemate, or corner. It’s a bad allocation of resources no matter what. And it’s bad if he’s good and bad if he’s bad. If you take him and he’s great now you have to give a RB a big contract in 4 years? That’s always a disaster. If you take him and he’s bad you wasted a pick. The only time you should ever even consider it is if you’re a completely win now team (i.e) Chiefs and really have no other major needs. Then it can be ok because their best production is in their first few years which is when you need one.

 

[darko]

You just don't take a running back in 1st round. Draft Fields and go BPA with late 1st and early 2nd. Preferably offensive lineman and a safety.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

We hear this about a running back nearly every single season. I don’t care how late it is in the first round. It is massively easier to find a quality running back late in the draft than it is to find a receiver, or linemate, or corner. It’s a bad allocation of resources no matter what. And it’s bad if he’s good and bad if he’s bad. If you take him and he’s great now you have to give a RB a big contract in 4 years? That’s always a disaster. If you take him and he’s bad you wasted a pick. The only time you should ever even consider it is if you’re a completely win now team (i.e) Chiefs and really have no other major needs. Then it can be ok because their best production is in their first few years which is when you need one.

Don't you think that your argument is similar to someone mentioning Wilson being better than Luck? Yeah in 2018 the Giants could have drafted Chubb but in the second round, but they also could have drafted a bust. No matter what Barkley was a surer thing than hoping they hit on an RB in the second round, even if it was #2 overall.

 

[Maximus]

Imagine the melts if Belichick goes full heel and rests his starters.

It would be defcon 1 in here and all over Jet Nation if that scenario I spelled out before where the Jags beat the Bears occurs and than with Lawrence in our grips again, Belichek pulled some antics like resting his starters and we win costing us Lawrence again.

I know I would be fit to be tied and ready for the asylum if something along those lines occured...lol

 

[Maximus]

We hear this about a running back nearly every single season. I don’t care how late it is in the first round. It is massively easier to find a quality running back late in the draft than it is to find a receiver, or linemate, or corner. It’s a bad allocation of resources no matter what. And it’s bad if he’s good and bad if he’s bad. If you take him and he’s great now you have to give a RB a big contract in 4 years? That’s always a disaster. If you take him and he’s bad you wasted a pick. The only time you should ever even consider it is if you’re a completely win now team (i.e) Chiefs and really have no other major needs. Then it can be ok because their best production is in their first few years which is when you need one.

Once again, Etienne at 27 is a whole different animal than taking Forunette, Ezekiel, Saquon like their respective teams did as top 5 picks. The Jets have so many draft picks upcoming in the next 3 drafts and they'd have even more picks if they trade down from the #2 spot that gambling on a special talent like an Etienne is well well worth the risk. What a friggen weapon he would be for Sam or whoever was the Jet QB next year.

Add Etienne to a Thuney another OT to bookend with Mt. Becton. You add an ARob in UFA, the Jets would actually be kind of fun to watch and maybe even dangerous enough to win some games...imagine that!

 

[SA16]

Don't you think that your argument is similar to someone mentioning Wilson being better than Luck? Yeah in 2018 the Giants could have drafted Chubb but in the second round, but they also could have drafted a bust. No matter what Barkley was a surer thing than hoping they hit on an RB in the second round, even if it was #2 overall.

No because the odds of getting a good QB early are much better than they are of getting one late and the impact of a good QB is far larger than a good RB. Not to mention a good QB like that is a 15 year solution and someone like Barkley is more of a 4-6 year type of player. What are they even going to do with his next contract?

 

[NYSPORTS]

Pass-rushing great, Hall of Famer Kevin Greene dead at 58

Off topic but noting. Too young. Solid linebacker