Draft 2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread: Part VI

[HatTrick Swayze]

Then how are we going to make Lafreniere-Lundell-Kakko our top line for the next two decades?

I don’t want to let that dream die either so Tony for 8OA it is.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I don’t want to let that dream die either so Tony for 8OA it is.

DeAngelo to NJD for 6th
Strome+Georgiev to BUF for 8th
Buchnevich+CAR 1st to EDM for 14th

All in

 

[NYRFANMANI]

DeAngelo to NJD for 6th

That's like burning a new stack of stock papers in the Cup.

 

[Fitzy]

DeAngelo to NJD for 6th
Strome+Georgiev to BUF for 8th
Buchnevich+CAR 1st to EDM for 14th

All in

This is some hockey franchise manager shit right here.

So long as we're restarting the rebuild lets go all in and get Zadina.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

This is some hockey franchise manager shit right here.

So long as we're restarting the rebuild lets go all in and get Zadina.

Trade Chytil for Kotkaniemi too hahahahaha

 

[cwede]

I don’t want to let that dream die either so Tony for 8OA it is.

ADA, Lindbom, Howden, Ronning, a 2d/3d for 8OA, Reinhart, Montour, Pekar

 

[Fitzy]

Trade Chytil for Kotkaniemi too hahahahaha

Everyone who can grow a full beard must go

 

[Harbour Dog]

Gotta love Sens fans thinking they can get our pick by trading from 5 and keeping the 3 as well.

The disparity between what other teams are willing to give up and what I want for Lafreniere may as well be measured in light years. They can whine about unrealistic trade expectations in a couple years, while Alf is face-washing one of their superstars as a goal celebration.

 

[mas0764]

DeAngelo to NJD for 6th
Strome+Georgiev to BUF for 8th
Buchnevich+CAR 1st to EDM for 14th

All in

I mean.... I'd consider that, yeah.

Holtz, Lundell, and Schnieder with those picks? In addition to Lafreniere?

 

[JCProdigy]

The biggest drop for a team trading away 1st overall was 2 spots down to 3rd.

But Habs fans think they can acquire the pick by packaging 16th overall with Domi and Tatar

3 spots down to 4th but the absurdity of Habs fans still stands.

 

[True Blue]

DeAngelo to NJD for 6th
Strome+Georgiev to BUF for 8th
Buchnevich+CAR 1st to EDM for 14th

All in

Not sure if you are serious or not here. You are competing for the lottery again next year with those moves.

 

[mas0764]

Not sure if you are serious or not here. You are competing for the lottery again next year with those moves.

Yeah but you are winning lots of Cups over the next decade.

 

[Edge]

So a few years back, I did a comparison of the list Bob puts out, compared to how the drafts actually unfolded.

I did this for the 2016 and 2017 drafts and I think it's interesting to see how close he reasonably gets. I say this because I think his list is the one to watch when you're looking for names that could go higher than this board believes they should, and potentially lower.

2017	Bob	Actual		2016	Bob	Actual
1	Nico Hischier	Nico Hischier		1	Matthews	Auston Matthews
2	Nolan Patrick	Nolan Patrick		2	Laine	Patrik Laine
3	Miro Heiskanen	Miro Heiskanen		3	Puljujarvi	Pierre-Luc Dubois
4	Cale Makar	Cale Makar		4	Tkachuk	Jesse Puljujarvi
5	Gabe Vilardi	Elias Pettersson		5	Dubois	Olli Juolevi
6	Casey Mittelstadt	Cody Glass		6	Juolevi	Matthew Tkachuk
7	Elias Pettersson	Lias Andersson		7	Nylander	Clayton Keller
8	Cody Glass	Casey Mittelstadt		8	Keller	Alexander Nylander
9	Michael Rasmussen	Michael Rasmussen		9	Sergachev	Mikhail Sergachev
10	Owen Tippett	Owen Tippett		10	Brown	Tyson Jost
11	Martin Necas	Gabriel Vilardi		11	Jost	Logan Brown
12	Nick Suzuki	Martin Necas		12	Bean	Michael McLeod
13	Lias Andersson	Nick Suzuki		13	Chychrun	Jake Bean
14	Jusso Valimaki	Cal Foote		14	McAvoy	Charlie McAvoy
15	Kristian Vesalainen	Erik Brannstrom		15	McLeod	Luke Kunin
16	Timothy Liljegren	Juuso Valimaki		16	Fabbro	Jakob Chychrun
17	Eeli Tolvanen	Timothy Liljegren		17	Gauthier	Dante Fabbro
18	Klim Kostin	Urho Vaakanainen		18	Bellows	Logan Stanley
19	Ryan Poehling	Josh Norris		19	Jones	Kieffer Bellows
20	Callan Foote	Robert Thomas		20	Kunin	Dennis Cholowski
21	Robert Thomas	Filip Chytil		21	Tufte	Julien Gauthier
22	Urho Vaakanainen	Kailer Yamamoto		22	Stanley	German Rubtsov
23	Josh Norris	Pierre-Olivier Joseph		23	Rubtsov	Henrik Borgstrom
24	Kailer Yamamoto	Kristian Vesalainen		24	Howden	Max Jones
25	Nicolas Hague	Ryan Poehling		25	Cholowski	Riley Tufte
26	Jake Oettinger	Jake Oettinger		26	Hajek*	Tage Thompson
27	Isaac Ratcliffe	Morgan Frost		27	Thompson	Brett Howden
28	Conor Timmins	Shane Bowers		28	Johansen	Lucas Johansen
29	Erik Branstrom	Henri Jokiharju		29	Katchouk	Trent Frederic
30	Jason Robertson	Eeli Tolvanen		30	Clague	Sam Steel
31	Filip Chytil	Klim Kostin		31	Asplund	Korshkov
						* 37 - Hajek

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Leetch3]

So a few years back, I did a comparison of the list Bob puts out, compared to how the drafts actually unfolded.

I did this for the 2016 and 2017 drafts and I think it's interesting to see how close he reasonably gets. I say this because I think his list is the one to watch when you're looking for names that could go higher than this board believes they should, and potentially lower.

boy did bob get the 7th pick in 2017 wrong

 

[Edge]

boy did bob get the 7th pick in 2017 wrong

Well you can definitely see what the Rangers were hoping for.

They're looking at two guys they really like (Pettersson and Glass) both ranked within range of their pick.

But Vilardi fell and two other teams preferred other centers to Mittelstadt.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

And that is very much a possibility to consider --- especially if you can add a second round pick or something of solid value.

This year will mark the first time in more than 40 years the Rangers use a first round pick on a player from the Q. It will mark the first time they've picked first overall since 1965, and the first time they've picked in the spot under the more modern concept of the draft.

Could it be the first time (in at least a very long time) that they trade down in the first as well?

Well, if you're going to do any or all of those things, this could could be the draft in which to do it.

Very good points. Lots of options and I just hope if they trade the pick for someone proven, it’s the right type of player.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I disagree with some of my fellow Ranger Hffers on the value of Tony DeAngelo. He is a 24 year old, right handed puck moving defenseman who has an above average shot, plays with grit and is willing to fight for himself and his teammates. Whatever short comings he is believed to have on the defensive side can be attributed to his pairings or that he still is developing that part of his game. Players of his caliber at the position he plays are scarce. I believe his value is worth way more than a prospect not in the top three of this draft year.

 

[Joey Bones]

It’s funny, I list Lundell, Mercer and Jarvis as the guys I would be most interested in moving up for, even at a higher cost.

And it’s not because I think they are head and shoulders the most talented guys on the board. You could make that claim, but it’s not necessarily a foregone conclusion.

It’s also not because I think any one of them is the favorite to be the highest scoring forward on the board either.

Nor is it because I look at them and inherently get images of first line roles in their future.

Instead it’s because I see three guys you win with. Guys who potentially play important roles on championships teams. Productive roles to be sure, but not necessarily roles that require nothing short of stardom to work out favorably. I feel these are the types of players who keep you in a game until someone like Lafreniere, or Kakko, or Panarin, or Zibanejad can break out.

Each would fill that role differently, and bring different strengths to the team, but I see that in all 3 of them.

And that’s kind of an insight into how I approach BPA. It’s not necessarily a straight statistical projection, or the guy with the most skill. It’s sometimes a balance or talent, how their game translates to the pros, and the value of the role they play.

Depending on the pick and the board, my BPA is the guy who makes a team better, not necessarily the guy who has all the highest individual skill points.

Don't get me wrong, I would've had Lundell in that group, too, but I definitely think he'll be gone by the late teens.

But I generally agree with your BPA assessment!!

 

[Joey Bones]

I can say this with great certainty, if we were drafting a player type, Marat Khusnutdinov fits the bill perfectly for the type of center that would support Laf/Kakko, and even Kravy, best. He is very similar to Karl Henriksson in that regard.

This of course don’t matter one bit if he doesn’t become a good NHLer. But bridging the gap between the defense and wingers in the NHL is crucial. A really strong defensive team deep in a PO can make it awfully hard for a team to utilize a winger to the extent that they can get a ‘series winning’ performance from that winger. That is why it’s so important to be able to have centers with these guys that fast can turn up ice with the puck and threaten the defense, which will force them to ease up the pressure on the wingers which open things up.

Beyond this, it’s much harder to really pin down exactly how talented MK really is. He also illustrates perfectly the challenges of this year’s draft. Take Kotkaniemi for example, he had a very solid U18 and clearly showed that he was a notch above many of his peers ranked high before the draft. In an instant, he shot up 15 spots. With two guys on the same ice, it’s not overly hard to rank them. But it’s much harder to do the same — with precision — if you have one guy playing juniors in Canada and the other pro in Finland.

You can't really compare the two though in their draft years. Kotkaniemi played fully in Liiga in his draft year, whereas Khusnutdinov has only played in the MHL with a handful of non-specified international games. Not to mention that Kotka has 5 inches on him and 20+ pounds in their drafts. Kotkaniemi, although also not proven, still has a better chance at becoming a center than I think Marat does. Like you said it's hard to pinpoint his development, but there is a lot to like early on. Khusnutdinov will be a project pick, but the reward could be handsome.

I agree, though, I do think the Rangers are looking into players that play like Khusnutdinov and Henriksson is a perfect example of that.

 

[Joey Bones]

Raymond plays topline minutes now with Frölunda. No need for a change of scenario.

Based on what? He was on the 4th line in the last few games.....

Here's the starting lineup from Aug. 20....

 

[Joey Bones]

Let's not get too trade happy with all of these pick and potential cap issues, lolol.

 

[Irishguy42]

Based on what? He was on the 4th line in the last few games.....

Here's the starting lineup from Aug. 20....

@ManUtdTobbe can tell you more, but that's not their fourth line.

That is basically their top line, FYI.

 

[egelband]

Gotta love Sens fans thinking they can get our pick by trading from 5 and keeping the 3 as well.

Indeed. When the premise of the hypothetical is that the team holding the top asset is somehow compelled to move that asset, the hypothetical is DOA. It’s ass-backward. Like “If you want to trade the 1OA, here’s where you’ve got to start for me to pick up the phone”. Laughable. It’s always the other way around.

edit: I probably could have said this more clearly. What I mean is: The Rangers aren’t *making* the calls on 1OA. If anything, they’re *taking* those calls.

 

[duhmetreE]

So a few years back, I did a comparison of the list Bob puts out, compared to how the drafts actually unfolded.

I did this for the 2016 and 2017 drafts and I think it's interesting to see how close he reasonably gets. I say this because I think his list is the one to watch when you're looking for names that could go higher than this board believes they should, and potentially lower.

2017	Bob	Actual		2016	Bob	Actual
1	Nico Hischier	Nico Hischier		1	Matthews	Auston Matthews
2	Nolan Patrick	Nolan Patrick		2	Laine	Patrik Laine
3	Miro Heiskanen	Miro Heiskanen		3	Puljujarvi	Pierre-Luc Dubois
4	Cale Makar	Cale Makar		4	Tkachuk	Jesse Puljujarvi
5	Gabe Vilardi	Elias Pettersson		5	Dubois	Olli Juolevi
6	Casey Mittelstadt	Cody Glass		6	Juolevi	Matthew Tkachuk
7	Elias Pettersson	Lias Andersson		7	Nylander	Clayton Keller
8	Cody Glass	Casey Mittelstadt		8	Keller	Alexander Nylander
9	Michael Rasmussen	Michael Rasmussen		9	Sergachev	Mikhail Sergachev
10	Owen Tippett	Owen Tippett		10	Brown	Tyson Jost
11	Martin Necas	Gabriel Vilardi		11	Jost	Logan Brown
12	Nick Suzuki	Martin Necas		12	Bean	Michael McLeod
13	Lias Andersson	Nick Suzuki		13	Chychrun	Jake Bean
14	Jusso Valimaki	Cal Foote		14	McAvoy	Charlie McAvoy
15	Kristian Vesalainen	Erik Brannstrom		15	McLeod	Luke Kunin
16	Timothy Liljegren	Juuso Valimaki		16	Fabbro	Jakob Chychrun
17	Eeli Tolvanen	Timothy Liljegren		17	Gauthier	Dante Fabbro
18	Klim Kostin	Urho Vaakanainen		18	Bellows	Logan Stanley
19	Ryan Poehling	Josh Norris		19	Jones	Kieffer Bellows
20	Callan Foote	Robert Thomas		20	Kunin	Dennis Cholowski
21	Robert Thomas	Filip Chytil		21	Tufte	Julien Gauthier
22	Urho Vaakanainen	Kailer Yamamoto		22	Stanley	German Rubtsov
23	Josh Norris	Pierre-Olivier Joseph		23	Rubtsov	Henrik Borgstrom
24	Kailer Yamamoto	Kristian Vesalainen		24	Howden	Max Jones
25	Nicolas Hague	Ryan Poehling		25	Cholowski	Riley Tufte
26	Jake Oettinger	Jake Oettinger		26	Hajek*	Tage Thompson
27	Isaac Ratcliffe	Morgan Frost		27	Thompson	Brett Howden
28	Conor Timmins	Shane Bowers		28	Johansen	Lucas Johansen
29	Erik Branstrom	Henri Jokiharju		29	Katchouk	Trent Frederic
30	Jason Robertson	Eeli Tolvanen		30	Clague	Sam Steel
31	Filip Chytil	Klim Kostin		31	Asplund	Korshkov
						* 37 - Hajek

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

He always says, its not 'his rankings' its the consensus of the scouts he talks to.

So Lundell may be possible at 12ish. A lot easier than getting into the top10

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Indeed. When the premise of the hypothetical is that the team holding the top asset is somehow compelled to move that asset, the hypothetical is DOA. It’s ass-backward. Like “If you want to trade the 1OA, here’s where you’ve got to start for me to pick up the phone”. Laughable. It’s always the other way around.

You can only explain to them so many times that we don’t want or need to trade that asset, and because of that we can set the price for it.