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Draft 2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread: Part VI

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True Blue said:
Maybe that is the issue. If any contending team has a Kreider on a second line, that is fantastic depth. Not just decent. Fantastic.

And of course on some teams he would be the third option. Heck, he is just that on his own team right now. But that is a sign of depth and nothing else. Does not change what he is.

Pointing out evidence that has you leading with "he is already behind Panarin" seems odd. Frankly how many players in the NHL would NOT be behind Panarin?

Constantly thrusting Lafreniere into the picture seems silly too. We all expect that he is going to be better than Kreider. Is that going to happen immediately? I tend to doubt it, but certainly hope so. Is it going to happen within a few years? Maybe, maybe not. Again, we all certainly hope so. And beyond that, one does not negotiate a contract with the belief that you are going to win the lottery and land the #1 pick.

And lastly, first Kakko has to play out his ECL. Second, Lafreniere has to get drafted and play out his ECL. Then they go to RFA status. So you will excuse me if I think that worrying about the future contract of a rookie and another player who has not even been drafted yet seems silly.

Chytil has shown NOTHING that would leave anyone to believe that he is on the doorstep of passing Kreider. Kravstov has showed less than that, never mind that he has actually not played one single second of an NHL game. So beating your chest and screaming they are GOING TO pass him seems quite a bit premature. Never mind that they play on the opposite side of the ice. And again, no one negotiates a contract with the belief of landing the top overall pick.

Everyone knew that if he slides down to the third line for most of his ES minutes in the last several years of his contract that was not a big deal.

So what? Neither Strome not Buchnevich are as important to the team as Kreider.

And blaming the inability to sign both on Kreider also seems shortsighted. There are other fairly sizable contracts.

You have no idea of what Strome will or will not demand from the Rangers and he is a stop gap anyway. Long term, two of DeAngelo, Strome or Buchnevich are not here. And this has to do with a lot more than just Kreider.

Ummm...look at top line players contracts. His is actually on the lower end. Additionally, there are a lot of contracts and reasons for players to be traded. So no, that is not the price of paying Kreider market rate.
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This is a great post!

To add...Strome has lots of ties to Long Island. He will be looking to get paid. He hasn't received the big payday yet. His season next to Panarin has amplified value for him. There will be no discount here to stick around. I do believe he will be one of the 3 out.
 
Lion Hound said:
This is a great post!

To add...Strome has lots of ties to Long Island. He will be looking to get paid. He hasn't received the big payday yet. His season next to Panarin has amplified value for him. There will be no discount here to stick around. I do believe he will be one of the 3 out.
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Pretty much a lock at this point. I'd say Buchnevich is one as well.
 
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egelband said:
I wonder if getting a 2nd rounder for Georgiev this draft is like getting a mid-to-late first rounder in another year, value wise. Could be a way for JG to say, ‘okay we’ll come down from our demand for a first rounder, but you’ll have to throw in a decent prospect’.
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It could, depending on the prospect and the value the Rangers feel they're getting.
 
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Edge said:
I think the skills are there, I do have some question as to what the final product is though --- especially at the NHL level.

I would have no problem taking him with the Canes pick, but I can't say I would inherently be inclined to trade up for him.
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Oh, no need to trade up for him. In fact, may be able to trade down a few spots and still get him.
 
Gardner McKay said:
Hey Edge. Correct me if I am wrong but I thought at one point Laf, Byfield, Raymond and Lundell were pretty much a lock to go top 5? Am I misremembering and if not, what happened to the latter two that changed their draft stock so much?
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Raymond was definitely seen as a more consistent top 3 candidate, I'd say Lundell wasn't quite held in that same regard. He was seen as a likely top 10 pick though, who could go top 5.

I am going to be really interested to see if Lundell is a guy that teams value higher than many fans.
 
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Igor Shestyorkin said:
Oh, no need to trade up for him. In fact, may be able to trade down a few spots and still get him.
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And that is very much a possibility to consider --- especially if you can add a second round pick or something of solid value.

This year will mark the first time in more than 40 years the Rangers use a first round pick on a player from the Q. It will mark the first time they've picked first overall since 1965, and the first time they've picked in the spot under the more modern concept of the draft.

Could it be the first time (in at least a very long time) that they trade down in the first as well?

Well, if you're going to do any or all of those things, this could could be the draft in which to do it.
 
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Edge said:
And that is very much a possibility to consider --- especially if you can add a second round pick or something of solid value.

This year will mark the first time in more than 40 years the Rangers use a first round pick on a player from the Q. It will mark the first time they've picked first overall since 1965, and the first time they've picked in the spot under the more modern concept of the draft.

Could it be the first time (in at least a very long time) that they trade down in the first as well?

Well, if you're going to do any or all of those things, this could could be the draft in which to do it.
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Still hoping that they buck the trend and select a 2nd player from the Q in the 1st if they keep the pick.
 
Igor Shestyorkin said:
Oh, no need to trade up for him. In fact, may be able to trade down a few spots and still get him.
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Which tells me you think there might be better players than him available at 24.

But anyway I would think Marat is 1st round worthy and am not entirely against moving down dependent on what else we pick up. The reason the Rangers do this is they think there are several players more or less equal at that spot and another team really wants a particular player there. If the Rangers do have somebody solid in mind there I don't think they move the pick.
 
Lion Hound said:
This is a great post!

To add...Strome has lots of ties to Long Island. He will be looking to get paid. He hasn't received the big payday yet. His season next to Panarin has amplified value for him. There will be no discount here to stick around. I do believe he will be one of the 3 out.
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I actually think that he would take less for some more years to play with Rangers.. Maybe a 3 or 4 year deal. Still gets another shot at UFA before he is 30.
 
It sounds like the entire league is in cap hell. Why do you guys think players are expecting to cash in?
If anything I see Strome and/or DeAngelo taking a nice discount for us.

Taylor Hall said he cares more about winning than a big pay day. I thought Tony said on his podcast or a tweet he understands the cap situation, but I could be thinking of someone else.
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
Keep dreaming about that lol
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People have combined their dislike of his fairly boring non-flashy style of play with the fact that he's not homegrown with wishful fan thinking about contracts and the flat cap and boredom and his 'price' keeps going down and down until he's gonna be getting $2.5M because he loves New York so much or some shit.

He probably stays and Buch gets traded because at the end of the day centers matter more than wings.
 
Chytilmania said:
It sounds like the entire league is in cap hell. Why do you guys think players are expecting to cash in?
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Because a player trying to make the most money he can in his career doesn't need to be reasonable or fair. It's his agents job to figure it out.
 
Chytilmania said:
I thought Tony said on his podcast or a tweet he understands the cap situation,
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He said he understands the cap situation and then his buddy chimed in that " but we're looking to get paid"

Don't expect these guys to give teams discounts just because of the cap situation
 
effen said:
People have combined their dislike of his fairly boring non-flashy style of play with the fact that he's not homegrown with wishful fan thinking about contracts and the flat cap and boredom and his 'price' keeps going down and down until he's gonna be getting $2.5M because he loves New York so much or some shit.
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That is not where I was coming from. A $5m deal for 2-4 years should appeal to both sides, I would think.
 
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True Blue said:
That is not where I was coming from. A $5m deal for 2-4 years should appeal to both sides, I would think.
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it's more a general comment. I think his number is 2/10 in the end. IDK if that's the Rangers number but it's probably close.
 
effen said:
it's more a general comment. I think his number is 2/10 in the end. IDK if that's the Rangers number but it's probably close.
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That's about fair. 2 years at $10 is a fair amount. I can see where that goes for a few more years, but I think that you and I are in same neighborhood.
 
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