Draft 2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread: Part V

[True Blue]

That is enough to make me consider moving the pick.

Not for me. I think that Gorton would really need to be floored. A true Godfather "Offer you can't refuse" type of offer. That's not it.

 

[Polar Bear]

What THEY don't want you to know about the King's offer for #1.

Super secret offer.

 

[True Blue]

Super secret offer.

Doesn't that get you put on double secret probation?

 

[Polar Bear]

Doesn't that get you put on double secret probation?

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

 

[Levitate]

**Take this how it is (BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF YOU WILL OVERTHINK THIS AND WANT TO MAKE THE TRADE)....**

But there is a strong rumor that LA has made an offer (or preparing an offer) for No. 1 and in it includes Alex Turcotte, Gabe Vilardi, pick No. 2, AND one (or more) of Rasmus Kupari, Tobias Bjornfot, Arthur Kaliyev and Samuel Fagemo.

Tempting, but I would still keep Lafreniere.

I don't believe that is a true rumor...that's basically what the latest article in the Athletic listed as assets they could offer (not that they were offering all of that)

 

[NYRangers0723]

Glass was my preference too. (Vilardi after Glass was off the board).

The Rangers were hoping Pettersson was going to be there. He was the object of their affection and the hope was they could nab him at 7.

Vancouver was the wildcard because the Rangers were hoping they’d take Mittelstadt. Vegas was always likely to take Glass.

So really, it was Mr. No Chin-Ups that screwed everything up for the Rangers.

Yeah true. Vilardi’s skating scared me off. At least we got Chytil in that draft who is not a finished product but has shown some good flashes and is only 20. But now I understand why Arizona was so willing to trade that pick. Obviously somebody could always slide but they knew it wasnt a deep draft

 

[Edge]

Not for me. I think that Gorton would really need to be floored. A true Godfather "Offer you can't refuse" type of offer. That's not it.

I see an offer built around a lot of second and third choices, some of which the Rangers already passed on in recent years.

I think any offer to grab their attention has to include someone they didn't have a chance to get, or guys they've would taken.

The reason Ottawa comes up is because the Rangers would probably come away with some return combo of Byfield/Stutzle/Sanderson/Holtz.

I think they need something truly exotic.

 

[cwede]

CapFriendly's list of the Aug 15 NCAA UFAs

 

[Polar Bear]

I see an offer built around a lot of second and third choices, some of which the Rangers already passed on in recent years.

I think any offer to grab their attention has to include someone they didn't have a chance to get, or guys they've would taken.

The reason Ottawa comes up is because the Rangers would probably come away with some return combo of Byfield/Stutzle/Sanderson/Holtz.

I think they need something truly exotic.

I think they'd need to add to 3 + 5 though. Again, the offer can't just be good value, it has to be total and complete overpayment that makes the other team look silly.

 

[Edge]

I think they'd need to add to 3 + 5 though. Again, the offer can't just be good value, it has to be total and complete overpayment that makes the other team look silly.

And that's why these types of deals are seldom made. Because the risk and cost, for all involved, is very high. Most teams would rather just go with the devil they know and take their chances.

If you miss with a pick like Lefreniere, you can say everyone would've missed.

If you miss by trading the pick and Lefreniere is indeed in that upper tier, you just traded away the type of player franchises wait decades to land.

 

[Ghost of jas]

And that's why these types of deals are seldom made. Because the risk and cost, for all involved, is very high. Most teams would rather just go with the devil they know and take their chances.

If you miss with a pick like Lefreniere, you can say everyone would've missed.

If you miss by trading the pick and Lefreniere is indeed in that upper tier, you just traded away the type of player franchises wait decades to land.

Like I said elsewhere, you take Lafreniere, and then make everything fit around him.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Not for me. I think that Gorton would really need to be floored. A true Godfather "Offer you can't refuse" type of offer. That's not it.

Fair enough. I'm not saying I make the move. I'm saying its at least respectable enough IMO to where you don't immediately tell them to lose your number.

 

[charliemurphy]

What do folks think about taking Gunler with their 2nd 1st rounder?

 

[Lion Hound]

Glass was my preference too. (Vilardi after Glass was off the board).

The Rangers were hoping Pettersson was going to be there. He was the object of their affection and the hope was they could nab him at 7.

Vancouver was the wildcard because the Rangers were hoping they’d take Mittelstadt. Vegas was always likely to take Glass.

So really, it was Mr. No Chin-Ups that screwed everything up for the Rangers.

Its fun going into the archived threads to see who supported who in the coming months of the respective draft classes. The Pettersson hype was very real on here. Im thinking Pavel Buchnevich was the one who was really all over him early. There were others who also were all over the Glass including myself and a few others. Nick Suzuki was my fav guy that year . The little engine that could! I felt he was the NYR pick after it leaked they met with him. Suzuki's still not done cooking yet, but he is done well for himself since the trade.

I think alot of name/avatar changes stemmed from previous threads.

 

[True Blue]

Fair enough. I'm not saying I make the move. I'm saying its at least respectable enough IMO to where you don't immediately tell them to lose your number.

Ahh

 

[Edge]

What do folks think about taking Gunler with their 2nd 1st rounder?

Not necessarily a bad move at all.

Big swing.

 

[charliemurphy]

Not necessarily a bad move at all.

Big swing.

What’s the knock on this kid aside from sticking to the perimeter? He can score a ton. A prospect like him and Pajuniemi could be PP threats down the road.

 

[Edge]

What’s the knock on this kid aside from sticking to the perimeter? He can score a ton. A prospect like him and Pajuniemi could be PP threats down the road.

Effort; whether his skills translate at the higher level --- specifically whether he can adapt his style to effectively use his tools against men and not boys.

Some questions about his ability to be coached and to listen to instruction.

There are some concerns that for all his natural ability, he's not inherently a guy whose hockey sense is quite on the same level. But, there's also a question about how much of that is just an experience and comfort thing.

He could go anywhere from the teens to the early second round. Teams are really divided on him.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I'd have a really hard time moving off the #1 pick without some sort of known quantity coming back and I'd have no interest in going lower than #3. Kinda limits the options quite a bit.

3rd+5th+Tkachuk+Chabot+Batherson is a package I would at least consider but it will never be offered. The thing is, no team is going to offer a package enticing enough for the Rangers to accept

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Effort; whether his skills translate at the higher level --- specifically whether he can adapt his style to effectively use his tools against men and not boys.

Some questions about his ability to be coached and to listen to instruction.

There are some concerns that for all his natural ability, he's not inherently a guy whose hockey sense is quite on the same level. But, there's also a question about how much of that is just an experience and comfort thing.

He could go anywhere from the teens to the early second round. Teams are really divided on him.

This has been refuted by several coaches already. Gunler has no problem at all in Luleå with coaching. And from observing him in person, I can say that he is very well liked by his team and coaches.

The concerns about Gunler, actually apply to Lucas Raymond IMO based on observing them during games. Their behaviour on the bench, how they respond to shifts etc.

Gunler is a long-shot, but everyone in that range is. If you go boom-or-bust, Gunler fits that mold.

 

[bl02]

What do folks think about taking Gunler with their 2nd 1st rounder?

Big right winger with some skill ok with me. Shooter (we have plenty of playmakers).
Of course also depends who is available at that point.

 

[Edge]

This has been refuted by several coaches already. Gunler has no problem at all in Luleå with coaching. And from observing him in person, I can say that he is very well liked by his team and coaches.

The concerns about Gunler, actually apply to Lucas Raymond IMO based on observing them during games. Their behaviour on the bench, how they respond to shifts etc.

Gunler is a long-shot, but everyone in that range is. If you go boom-or-bust, Gunler fits that mold.

That's possible, but it's still out there. And it's out there enough that a few teams have mentioned it and you've got scouts and other sources going as far as to share their concerns with McKenzie and THN - recently.

Now, in his defense, there are others out there saying the disputes were overblown. But I would not go as far as to say the claims/concerns were refuted.

For better or worse, fair or unfair, they are part of the equation right now.

 

[bl02]

3rd+5th+Tkachuk+Chabot+Batherson is a package I would at least consider but it will never be offered. The thing is, no team is going to offer a package enticing enough for the Rangers to accept

Many Sens fans aren't even willing to trade 1st overall for Chabot straight up.
3rd and Tkachuk would be fair (probably still wouldn't do it). 3rd, 5th and Tkachuk is probably would make Gorton say yes.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

That's possible but it's still out there, and it's out there enough that a few teams have mentioned it and you've got scouts and other sources going as far as to share their concerns with McKenzie and THN - recently.

Now, in his defense, there are others out there saying the disputes were overblown. But I would not go as far as to say the claims/concerns were refuted.

For better or worse, they're part of the equation right now.

Yeah, I know the conerns are there, but if I am putting my thinking hat on for a sec, I would think the Carolina Hurricanes and New York Rangers could be teams to see past that, as they have strong connections with that coaching staff, through Sellgren and Lundkvist. So, maybe he goes at 13 (TOR's pick owned by CAR) or 20-24 (CAR's pick owned by NYR).

At the same time, he could very well fall all the way to the 2nd round like Höglander last year

 

[Edge]

Yeah, I know the conerns are there, but if I am putting my thinking hat on for a sec, I would think the Carolina Hurricanes and New York Rangers could be teams to see past that, as they have strong connections with that coaching staff, through Sellgren and Lundkvist. So, maybe he goes at 13 (TOR's pick owned by CAR) or 20-24 (CAR's pick owned by NYR).

At the same time, he could very well fall all the way to the 2nd round like Höglander last year

He could. And I think perception by individual teams will play a big role in where Gunler goes. It's probably a big reason why we see such a big range associated with him.

Right now, his average is somewhere in the late 20s. But the range goes all the way from the low teens, to the second round.