Draft 2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread: Part V

[Edge]

Honestly, the closest I've seen in Wilson is Holloway. For some reason Holloway gets bashed on quite a bit in this thread.

I don't see any issue with him as NYR's 2nd pick. He's a pest, big, fast and has the potential to become a threatening power forward in the top-6. At worst, he plays a fast, grind style bottom-6 role.

I think people were so paranoid about the Rangers taking him too high, that it’s carried over to the Rangers taking him in a range that would be a great value for the team.

I think he also gets some flack because he didn’t meet offensive expectations. That is always a red flag for a lot of fans because it means he’s perceived as under-achieving before he even potentially becomes our asset. It’s a damaged goods type fear.

But the key with Holloway is expectations. If you’re okay getting Maltby-type, or someone who would have fit right in on Detroit’s bottom six, then it becomes a better choice.

Not unlike Lindgren, I think people would like Holloway better the more they see him, and seeing him in a pro environment would help. Both guys strike me as the types of players you need to win, and resemble players who were on very successful teams in support roles.

 

[Joey Bones]

Most of it is coming from one person (me.)

If we're looking for abrasive forwards with that pick, Greig>>>>>>>>Holloway.

I know, I subtly directed it at you

I like both, but I thin Holloway has way more potential for a top-6 role. Why not take the guy with more to like, you know?

 

[Joey Bones]

I think people were so paranoid about the Rangers taking him too high, that it’s carried over to the Rangers taking him in a range that would be a great value for the team.

I think he also gets some flack because he didn’t meet offensive expectations. That is always a red flag for a lot of fans because it means he’s perceived as under-achieving before he even potentially becomes our asset. It’s a damaged goods type fear.

But the key with Holloway is expectations. If you’re okay getting Maltby-type, or someone who have fit right in on Detroit’s bottom six, then it becomes a better choice.

Not unlike Lindgren, I think people would like Holloway better the more they see him, and seeing him in a pro environment would help. Both guys strike me as the types of players you need to win, and resemble players who were on very successful teams in support roles.

Exactly, especially now that NYR has No. 1, they could take Holloway (or a guy like Holloway) and have him take his time, something it looks he might need.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I know, I subtly directed it at you

I like both, but I thin Holloway has way more potential for a top-6 role. Why not take the guy with more to like, you know?

Thats why I'd go with Greig

 

[Joey Bones]

**Take this how it is (BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF YOU WILL OVERTHINK THIS AND WANT TO MAKE THE TRADE)....**

But there is a strong rumor that LA has made an offer (or preparing an offer) for No. 1 and in it includes Alex Turcotte, Gabe Vilardi, pick No. 2, AND one (or more) of Rasmus Kupari, Tobias Bjornfot, Arthur Kaliyev and Samuel Fagemo.

Tempting, but I would still keep Lafreniere.

 

[Edge]

I was hoping for Glass. After The first 5 picks i honestly thought we were gonna get him and Vegas screwed us lol. I didn’t hate the Andersson pick at the time. I felt it was a bit of a reach since he was mocked I think 13-15 in that range. Granted it was not a strong draft but he seemed like a safe pick who could develop maybe similar to Stepan. I do blame Gordie Clark a lot because he was praising his mental toughness, confidence, team play, and drive and as we know now those things were lacking

Glass was my preference too. (Vilardi after Glass was off the board).

The Rangers were hoping Pettersson was going to be there. He was the object of their affection and the hope was they could nab him at 7.

Vancouver was the wildcard because the Rangers were hoping they’d take Mittelstadt. Vegas was always likely to take Glass.

So really, it was Mr. No Chin-Ups that screwed everything up for the Rangers.

 

[Joey Bones]

Thats why I'd go with Greig

Touché, but I think I'd take Holloway if it were between the two. Bigger, faster, potential offensive beast.

 

[NYR Viper]

**Take this how it is (BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF YOU WILL OVERTHINK THIS AND WANT TO MAKE THE TRADE)....**

But there is a strong rumor that LA has made an offer (or preparing an offer) for No. 1 and in it includes Alex Turcotte, Gabe Vilardi, pick No. 2, AND one (or more) of Rasmus Kupari, Tobias Bjornfot, Arthur Kaliyev and Samuel Fagemo.

Tempting, but I would still keep Lafreniere.

Jeez that's a lot of players.

 

[Edge]

**Take this how it is (BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF YOU WILL OVERTHINK THIS AND WANT TO MAKE THE TRADE)....**

But there is a strong rumor that LA has made an offer for No.1 and in it includes Alex Turcotte, Gabe Vilardi, pick No. 2, AND one (or more) of Rasmus Kupari, Tobias Bjornfot, Arthur Kaliyev and Samuel Fagemo.

Tempting, but I would still keep Lafreniere.

The challenge with Vilardi is he keeps getting thrown into rumors as if he has a tremendous value.

He has good value, but his injury history is beyond noteworthy at this point. In that sense, he’s more of a sweetener than a main component.

There’s a lot of value in that trade. But I also think there’s a pair of guys who might not have been the Rangers has they still been on the board when the Rangers picked in 2018 and 2019.

 

[True Blue]

Honestly, the closest I've seen in Wilson is Holloway. For some reason Holloway gets bashed on quite a bit in this thread.

I don't see any issue with him as NYR's 2nd pick. He's a pest, big, fast and has the potential to become a threatening power forward in the top-6. At worst, he plays a fast, grind style bottom-6 role.

And is exactly what is needed to diversify the roster and offer support to the high end skill. And others like him.

 

[Leetch3]

**Take this how it is (BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF YOU WILL OVERTHINK THIS AND WANT TO MAKE THE TRADE)....**

But there is a strong rumor that LA has made an offer (or preparing an offer) for No. 1 and in it includes Alex Turcotte, Gabe Vilardi, pick No. 2, AND one (or more) of Rasmus Kupari, Tobias Bjornfot, Arthur Kaliyev and Samuel Fagemo.

Tempting, but I would still keep Lafreniere.

strong rumor based on some guy with a blog making it up?

 

[Edge]

Exactly, especially now that NYR has No. 1, they could take Holloway (or a guy like Holloway) and have him take his time, something it looks he might need.

I think there are a few guys who could give them a forward equivalent of Lindgren.

Holloway, because of his size and speed, is the most appealing to me even if the offense never becomes anything to write home about.

There are other guys there as well, but I feel like a pick in the 20s is either too high for them, or that they won’t be around in the third.

 

[Trxjw]

**Take this how it is (BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF YOU WILL OVERTHINK THIS AND WANT TO MAKE THE TRADE)....**

But there is a strong rumor that LA has made an offer (or preparing an offer) for No. 1 and in it includes Alex Turcotte, Gabe Vilardi, pick No. 2, AND one (or more) of Rasmus Kupari, Tobias Bjornfot, Arthur Kaliyev and Samuel Fagemo.

Tempting, but I would still keep Lafreniere.

That's.. a lot. That's potentially 4 of their top-6 prospects and Stutzle/Byfield which seems like absolute insanity. I can't see the logic there for the Kings unless they're thinking Lafreniere vaults them back into playoff contention before Kopitar and Doughty get too old to be useful players.

From a Rangers perspective, you're risking an almost sure thing for a lot of maybes.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I mean if sliding down from 22 to 26 means they get a player in the same tier, plus Cuylle or Reid in the second round, and some of the other names we discussed in the third, I’m very open to it.

That would be a hell of a top 100.

Take Lafreniere, trade down from Carolina’s 1sr and still get a Lapierre, Mysak or Khusnutdinov, grab Cuylle is n the 2nd and Peterson in the 3rd? On my, I’ll more than live with a goalie in the 3rd.

 

[NYR Viper]

Turcotte
Vilardi
Stutzle
Kupari/Bjornfoot/Kaliyev/Fagemo

I would probably want 2 of that last group at a minimum

 

[True Blue]

**Take this how it is (BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF YOU WILL OVERTHINK THIS AND WANT TO MAKE THE TRADE)....**

But there is a strong rumor that LA has made an offer (or preparing an offer) for No. 1 and in it includes Alex Turcotte, Gabe Vilardi, pick No. 2, AND one (or more) of Rasmus Kupari, Tobias Bjornfot, Arthur Kaliyev and Samuel Fagemo.

Tempting, but I would still keep Lafreniere.

I keep the franchise cornerstone and call it a day. This type of opportunity does not come along often. And considering who already is in the fold, the answer would be "no".

 

[Edge]

Take Lafreniere, trade down from Carolina’s 1sr and still get a Lapierre, Mysak or Khusnutdinov, grab Cuylle is n the 2nd and Peterson in the 3rd? On my, I’ll more than live with a goalie in the 3rd.

Id be very happy with something like that. I know the Rangers have been keeping tabs on Blomqvist, I’d be cool using the latter third round pick on him.

Lefreniere, Mysak, Cullye, Peterson, Blomqvist in the top 100? Good by me.

Let someone like Finley be there in the low 100s and that’s a Grade A draft for me.

 

[CaptTennille]

You can definitely feel the void left by Lias not panning out as planned. Even with Chytil's defensive improvements the bottom six kind of yearns for a stabilizing defensive player - not to be confused with Howden running around like a chicken with its head cutoff.

Although I believe in taking the BPA, the more defensively inclined forwards who might be available after 20: Neighbours, Zary, Khusnutdinov, Grieg, Amirov(if he slips) - would definitely give me pause if I had to chose between them and offensive-upside players like Bourque, Lapierre and Brisson. Now if a player like Gunler falls................

 

[broadwayblue]

**Take this how it is (BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF YOU WILL OVERTHINK THIS AND WANT TO MAKE THE TRADE)....**

But there is a strong rumor that LA has made an offer (or preparing an offer) for No. 1 and in it includes Alex Turcotte, Gabe Vilardi, pick No. 2, AND one (or more) of Rasmus Kupari, Tobias Bjornfot, Arthur Kaliyev and Samuel Fagemo.

Tempting, but I would still keep Lafreniere.

I don't know if that was a "strong rumor" or just some random site none of have ever heard of before posting this last night. The draft isn't until October. Do you really think GMs are already making monster offers a few days after the draft lottery and sharing that information with the world. Seems very unlikely to me.

 

[Edge]

Turcotte
Vilardi
Stutzle
Kupari/Bjornfoot/Kaliyev/Fagemo

I would probably want 2 of that last group at a minimum

FWIW, I don’t think any offers are on the table at this point. Not with the draft two months out.

But I have my doubts about the appeal of the "Kings offer" for the Rangers.

Turcotte would not have been their pick over Zegras at the 6 spot, assuming both were still on the board.

They passed on Vilardi once, and Andersson’s results notwithstanding, he’s done nothing to alleviate injury concerns.

Kupari would not have been their pick over Miller either in 2018.

A year later, I still don’t think they have an interest in Kaliyev.

Fagemo is a possibility, but they passed on him too. I think they would’ve still taken Henriksson as well if Fagemo was on the board 8 picks later.

So that leaves Stutzle, who I know they really like. But I don’t think that’s enough to sway them.

 

[Trxjw]

I'd have a really hard time moving off the #1 pick without some sort of known quantity coming back and I'd have no interest in going lower than #3. Kinda limits the options quite a bit.

 

[cwede]

**Take this how it is (BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF YOU WILL OVERTHINK THIS AND WANT TO MAKE THE TRADE)....**
But there is a strong rumor that LA has made an offer (or preparing an offer) for No. 1 and in it includes Alex Turcotte, Gabe Vilardi, pick No. 2, AND one (or more) of Rasmus Kupari, Tobias Bjornfot, Arthur Kaliyev and Samuel Fagemo. ... Tempting, but I would still keep Lafreniere.

no idea how likely that really is
but this is the only type to deal for NYR to even consider
IF the "AND" were to be Bjornfot and Kaliyev, NYR might even actually should do it ...
Bjornfot perhaps a more sure thing LHD than even K'Andre or Robertson,
Byfield fills the C hole, and add 3 high upside, very young F's

NYR are way better off either way
but still maybe just keep Laf

 

[Gardner McKay]

**Take this how it is (BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF YOU WILL OVERTHINK THIS AND WANT TO MAKE THE TRADE)....**

But there is a strong rumor that LA has made an offer (or preparing an offer) for No. 1 and in it includes Alex Turcotte, Gabe Vilardi, pick No. 2, AND one (or more) of Rasmus Kupari, Tobias Bjornfot, Arthur Kaliyev and Samuel Fagemo.

Tempting, but I would still keep Lafreniere.

That is enough to make me consider moving the pick.

 

[Polar Bear]

**Take this how it is (BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF YOU WILL OVERTHINK THIS AND WANT TO MAKE THE TRADE)....**

But there is a strong rumor that LA has made an offer (or preparing an offer) for No. 1 and in it includes Alex Turcotte, Gabe Vilardi, pick No. 2, AND one (or more) of Rasmus Kupari, Tobias Bjornfot, Arthur Kaliyev and Samuel Fagemo.

Tempting, but I would still keep Lafreniere.

This was some BS from a random site and shutdown instantly on the LA part of the board.

 

[Thirty One]

This was some BS from a random site and shutdown instantly on the LA part of the board.

What THEY don't want you to know about the King's offer for #1.