2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread: Part II

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I know this is going to date me (by a lot) but he struck me as a lot like Peter Mahovilich

Alright grandpa

Just kidding. Speaking of which. How's Henrik?

 

[bobbop]

Alright grandpa

Just kidding. Speaking of which. How's Henrik?

Fine thanks!

He and my daughter were in NYC and went to the last game against the Devils. Brendan Lemieux flipped him a puck.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Fine thanks!

He and my daughter were in NYC and went to the last game against the Devils. Brendan Lemieux flipped him a puck.

That's awesome. Those moments stay with kids forever

 

[mas0764]

I wouldn't make a trade like that at all because NYR already has a No. 1 center in Zibanejad long term and have Panarin locked up at over $11.5M. Where does Eichel ($10M) and Barkov ($6M) fit in the cap? You're not trading Buch away to gain an extra $3-$7M in cap for slight increase in offense. I say slight because this will put NYR in an unnecessary situation where they would need to sell another asset just to be cap compliant. Not worth the risk when management could develop their own No. 2 on an ELC or re-sign Strome short term and build team chemistry. This isn't Sather managing anymore.

And no, I don't want NYR to grab Zary with their first pick. He has skating issues....

How do teams like Chicago and Pittsburgh do it?

I have no idea why we wouldn’t want the problem of having two top center options. We are discussing paying Strome $5m this offseason, I think we’d find a way to survive paying Barkov $6m.

But again, these are hypotheticals. Obviously what I’m advocating is a move that fits the team long term (I would disagree that there can be no long term option that fits if he comes with salary, it’s just a matter of finding the best player who makes you want to deal away Strome and/or Buch).

If we want to trade up to “develop our own #2 center,” I’m also fine with that. But again, I don’t think the right move is to sit at 13 and try to find that player there.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

How do teams like Chicago and Pittsburgh do it?

I have no idea why we wouldn’t want the problem of having two top center options. We are discussing paying Strome $5m this offseason, I think we’d find a way to survive paying Barkov $6m.

But again, these are hypotheticals. Obviously what I’m advocating is a move that fits the team long term (I would disagree that there can be no long term option that fits if he comes with salary, it’s just a matter of finding the best player who makes you want to deal away Strome and/or Buch).

If we want to trade up to “develop our own #2 center,” I’m also fine with that. But again, I don’t think the right move is to sit at 13 and try to find that player there.

It's a lot easier to get 2 elite players if you play bad enough to get several top picks. Not just luck into a single top-3 pick in a random lottery

 

[mas0764]

Holloway feels like a Ranger pick to me.

In a bad way.

 

[mas0764]

It's a lot easier to get 2 elite players if you play bad enough to get several top picks. Not just luck into a single top-3 pick in a random lottery

For sure, but that’s why I’m saying we have lots of assets, is there no other top players out there that will become available that would fit into our salary structure? I just don’t believe that.

There is nothing obvious as I sit here right this second, but I’m also not Jeff Gorton with the ability to call around the league and ask.

We have the assets to do a 3-for-1 or 4-for-1 if we want. Getting another top line or even top-6 player seems to me to be of the utmost importance if we want a long term Rangers contender.

I don’t buy that there is some risk of gutting our team if making a trade for a star forces us to move on from Buchnevich or Strome. Those are the exact players I’m trying to upgrade in our top 6 anyway.

 

[mas0764]

The appeal of someone like Holloway is potentially that he's an ultimate support player, with a chance to be more of his clicks with the right guys.

The downside is, you could also end up with Eric Nystrom when Alex Semin is sitting on the board.

I think I swing for the fences.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

For sure, but that’s why I’m saying we have lots of assets, is there no other top players out there that will become available that would fit into our salary structure? I just don’t believe that.

There is nothing obvious as I sit here right this second, but I’m also not Jeff Gorton with the ability to call around the league and ask.

We have the assets to do a 3-for-1 or 4-for-1 if we want. Getting another top line or even top-6 player seems to me to be of the utmost importance if we want a long term Rangers contender.

I don’t buy that there is some risk of gutting our team if making a trade for a star forces us to move on from Buchnevich or Strome. Those are the exact players I’m trying to upgrade in our top 6 anyway.

Okay. Look at it from the other team's perspective: Would you trade your elite player (let's just say Barkov for this example), for a pacakge with 3 inferior assets?

Would Florida in this case really trade Barkov for a package including Strome and Chytil? It's not easy to find a deal that pleases both general managers. Is Gorton willing to give up what other teams want for their elite players?

 

[egelband]

Okay. Look at it from the other team's perspective: Would you trade your elite player (let's just say Barkov for this example), for a pacakge with 3 inferior assets?

Would Florida in this case really trade Barkov for a package including Strome and Chytil? It's not easy to find a deal that pleases both general managers. Is Gorton willing to give up what other teams want for their elite players?

I agree but I think @mschmidt64 is saying that we might have a chance to do something special based on the unique situation in which the league and the world find themselves now.
If a team finds itself needing to lose someone good, maybe a Trouba situation. Maybe a cap situation. An expansion draft situation, maybe. Some combination. JG may have the most resources to take that home run swing.

 

[mas0764]

Okay. Look at it from the other team's perspective: Would you trade your elite player (let's just say Barkov for this example), for a pacakge with 3 inferior assets?

Would Florida in this case really trade Barkov for a package including Strome and Chytil? It's not easy to find a deal that pleases both general managers. Is Gorton willing to give up what other teams want for their elite players?

I mean, why would Columbus want to trade Rick Nash for four inferior pieces? Why would Arizona want to give up the 7th pick for Stepan and Raanta?

I'm sure sometimes there is no deal to be made, but sometimes there is. I'm just saying, the Rangers need to be aggressive and be willing to do a 3-for-1 or 4-for-1.

If there are no takers, so be it.

As a hypothetical answer to your question, a lot of smaller market teams probably are not fans of giving out huge deals and might be looking to move salary for four small cheaper but high upside pieces.

 

[mas0764]

I agree but I think @mschmidt64 is saying that we might have a chance to do something special based on the unique situation in which the league and the world find themselves now.
If a team finds itself needing to lose someone good, maybe a Trouba situation. Maybe a cap situation. An expansion draft situation, maybe. Some combination. JG may have the most resources to take that home run swing.

Exactly.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This guy actually puts together some good video on prospects. Tend to agree with everything on Holloway, however, I see him more like Tom Wilson than Pacioretty. Landeskog is a good comparison, too!!

If it all comes together, I see Dustin Brown.

I would welcome that with open arms but I'm not at all confident that he will get there. While there is value to his size/speed/strength package, that cannot be the basis for why you pick him at 13 (if the Rangers pick at 13.) I can't imagine that there won't be more skilled players available.

 

[egelband]

If it all comes together, I see Dustin Brown.

I would welcome that with open arms but I'm not at all confident that he will get there. While there is value to his size/speed/strength package, that cannot be the basis for why you pick him at 13 (if the Rangers pick at 13.) I can't imagine that there won't be more skilled players available.

As a Ranger fan, I tend to go into every draft hoping for a "Dustin Brown type". That's about the best care scenario, and as far as my imagination goes. I'm not saying we're pathetic. I think we do a nice job and the league is littered with good-guy third and fourth rounders drafted by the Rangers.
But wouldn't it be sweet to crush a home run in the middle of the first round... Like an Iginla or a Tkachuk (father), or a Sakic.

 

[Ja Sports]

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[Ja Sports]

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[Edge]

It actually annoys me that our picks are 13 and 23, and not 12 and 21.

 

[Edge]

As a Ranger fan, I tend to go into every draft hoping for a "Dustin Brown type". That's about the best care scenario, and as far as my imagination goes. I'm not saying we're pathetic. I think we do a nice job and the league is littered with good-guy third and fourth rounders drafted by the Rangers.
But wouldn't it be sweet to crush a home run in the middle of the first round... Like an Iginla or a Tkachuk (father), or a Sakic.

Sometimes the question is whether you'd like to get men on base and knock them in with a pair of doubles, or take the big swings and get a homerun, but maybe end up with less runs on the board overall.

One could argue the Rangers have taken their big swings with guys like Kravtsov and Miller and Chytil (to go along with an elite prospect in Kakko) and the approach might be about diversifying style at this point.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

One could argue the Rangers have taken their big swings with guys like Kravtsov and Miller and Chytil (to go along with an elite prospect in Kakko) and the approach might be about diversifying style at this point.

With that said, do you think it’s possible they go for someone safer at 13 and more of a homerun swing at 23?

And who do you expect them to be looking at in that 23 spot, if you have any ideas?

 

[effen]

im fine with 'safe' for both 1sts. if both are actually safe it sets up the pipeline really nicely for the last 5 years

 

[Edge]

With that said, do you think it’s possible they go for someone safer at 13 and more of a homerun swing at 23?

And who do you expect them to be looking at in that 23 spot, if you have any ideas?

If they hold onto both picks, I think it's a distinct possibility.

I think there's also the option of moving both picks to slide up a little if a guy they really like is still on the board.

Obviously they aren't going to go from 13 to 6. But 11, or even 9, isn't out of the realm of possibility.

 

[Thirty One]

If they hold onto both picks, I think it's a distinct possibility.

I think there's also the option of moving both picks to slide up a little if a guy they really like is still on the board.

Obviously they aren't going to go from 13 to 6. But 11, or even 9, isn't out of the realm of possibility.

What about 10?

 

[UnSandvich]

If they hold onto both picks, I think it's a distinct possibility.

I think there's also the option of moving both picks to slide up a little if a guy they really like is still on the board.

Obviously they aren't going to go from 13 to 6. But 11, or even 9, isn't out of the realm of possibility.

Both 1sts to move up 2 spots? Pass

 

[bl02]

Both 1sts to move up 2 spots? Pass

I pass too unless by some miracle someone like Rossi or Holtz slides down to 10/11. We all know Laf/Byf/Stuz aren't so giving up that 23rd overall would be dumb especially since their should be some really good prospects left in the early 20's.

 

[bl02]

I would rather trade one or both of our 3rd rounders to move up 2-4 slots from 23 to ??? if someone like Gunler/Jarvis/Holloway/Mercer somehow get close to the 20's.