Top pairing dman caliber player with unreal skating. Has leadership ability and is impossible to beat 1 on 1, at least from what I’ve seen. He’s like a much better Skjei or young Staal with better skating. He’s been my favorite for a long time and scouts are starting to notice. Heard somewhere that scouts were split between him and Drysdale. His play took off near the end of the season
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This makes sense to me, too. As long as the teams that aren’t in the re-jigged playoffs are in the lottery, I think it’s cool. Does it even have to be so complicated?
I hope not 2 firsts for a dman which we have plenty of im still all about getting a center with that first pick
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I get that we don’t have any sure fire #1 Defensemen in the system or on the roster, but we have a lot, A LOT of guys who should be top 4 or even top pair.... Fox, Trouba, DeAngelo, Lundkvist, man, there are a lot of young top defensemen in this system, without even getting to high upside guys like Robertson, Jones, and K’Andre Miller.
We really lack future centers. We are not well insulated at all from a Zibanejad injury, unexpected decrease in production, or even unforeseen departure. And we have like one other center of the top 6 caliber in Chytil in the system. Who else? Henriksson? Not counting on Strome or Andersson to lock down that spot at this point, I hope. Barron is a nice piece but is not projected as a top 6 guy I wouldn’t think.
We even have wings a plenty, as Kakko, Panarin, Buchnevich, and Kreider are all on the roster, and likely to be here 5+ years or as long as we want them, with another top prospect in the system in Kravtsov, Gauthier looks good, and Andersson and Chytil may even still end up as wings.
We are stocked at goalie with Shesty, Georgiev, Wall, Huska and Lindbom.
Center? Bone dry.
The Rangers should be aggressive in parlaying a lot, a lot of their assets, if needed, to get another top center.
I swing for the fences, too. Don’t settle for a 40-50 point guy. I want another Zibanejad type - early or mid 20s with 70+ point upside. Or get a fricking prospect in the draft that projects as a top-6 center.
Overpaying with draft pick capital and defensive prospect resources should be acceptable at this point, because the Rangers have extra assets in these areas coming out of their ears. Addressing the organizational weakness is more important than coming out ahead on the value exchange, as long as they can walk away with that top line-caliber player.
The Rangers once paid four-for-one in a trade for Rick Nash, once you finished counting the pick, prospects and roster players we shipped off.
I’m fine with that again. A first, Buchnevich, K’Andre Miller and Nils Lundkvist for Jack Eichel or Barkov? I’m listening.
We really lack future centers. We are not well insulated at all from a Zibanejad injury, unexpected decrease in production, or even unforeseen departure. And we have like one other center of the top 6 caliber in Chytil in the system. Who else? Henriksson? Not counting on Strome or Andersson to lock down that spot at this point, I hope. Barron is a nice piece but is not projected as a top 6 guy I wouldn’t think.
We even have wings a plenty, as Kakko, Panarin, Buchnevich, and Kreider are all on the roster, and likely to be here 5+ years or as long as we want them, with another top prospect in the system in Kravtsov, Gauthier looks good, and Andersson and Chytil may even still end up as wings.
We are stocked at goalie with Shesty, Georgiev, Wall, Huska and Lindbom.
Center? Bone dry.
The Rangers should be aggressive in parlaying a lot, a lot of their assets, if needed, to get another top center.
I swing for the fences, too. Don’t settle for a 40-50 point guy. I want another Zibanejad type - early or mid 20s with 70+ point upside. Or get a fricking prospect in the draft that projects as a top-6 center.
Overpaying with draft pick capital and defensive prospect resources should be acceptable at this point, because the Rangers have extra assets in these areas coming out of their ears. Addressing the organizational weakness is more important than coming out ahead on the value exchange, as long as they can walk away with that top line-caliber player.
The Rangers once paid four-for-one in a trade for Rick Nash, once you finished counting the pick, prospects and roster players we shipped off.
I’m fine with that again. A first, Buchnevich, K’Andre Miller and Nils Lundkvist for Jack Eichel or Barkov? I’m listening.
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If we're trading away both of our firsts, it should be for an impact center like Rossi, or Stutzle/Byfield if they fall enough. Not a guy like Sanderson. Our first and a second maybe.
Don't be the Green Bay Packers and trade up after falling in love with a lesser player who doesn't fit a need.
EDIT: Looking at it, I wouldn’t mind trading a 3rd or 4th to move up a spot or 2 to get him. But 2 1sts could probably get us into the Top 8 or so, and there are better players on the board at that point
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Assuming both firsts get us around 7-8, I would absolutely draft him there and it’d be worth it. Can’t pass up on a McDonagh type after we let him get away. He’s a guaranteed top pairing dman barring injury imo and we can’t pass up on that, especially with him being a leader and a defense oriented dman. Would be the perfect dman for our system. I also would take Rossi over him though
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If the Rangers draft a defenseman in the top-10, this fanbase is going to burn down MSG
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If he was a guaranteed top pairing Dman, he'd be going in the Top 5 over guys like Drysdale. At 8, at least one of the following would be available:
Rossi
Perfetti
Drysdale
Holtz
Raymond
Lundell
I would take any of those players over Sanderson without thinking twice. But quite honestly I also wouldn't mind making a minor move-up and getting Holloway, Zary, Sanderson with our pick, and Mysak at 23. Most of the mocks I've seen have Sanderson going at around 13 anyway
I do think Sanderson's a McDonagh clone, and I do think that he's a guy you can win with. But two first round picks is a very high premium for him, and would be poor asset management imo. I do not think he will be there at 13. He's going to go top 10, and I've seen him as high as 6 on some lists. Big body, great skater, plays the position in a prototypical way. There's a lot to like, but the Rangers can get two very good players in the first, albeit in different positions than giving it up for Sanderson.
The other thing with Sanderson is that you are going to have to wait three years before he really looks like a top 4 player. Two first round picks is a very high premium for that player. Now does a player like Sanderson slot in nicely next to a Trouba? Absolutely.
But you have Key who is about to step in. Look there are probably question marks around Key's decision making on the ice, but that's why you have coaches. If they can get him to play a simple game and dominate the aspects of the game instead of trying to be an all-world player, you have a 20 year old player who has the upside that Sanderson can bring.
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Sanderson is a fine pick at 13, he's less of a fine pick at 9 or 10 for the Rangers. If they're in the top 10, they have to take a forward.
There's also the chance a team in the top 10 could take him. He's rising steadily
Anaheim needs defense, and if Drysdale is gone, they could take Sanderson (I wouldn't but that's me). Could also see Montreal take him, if he actually is a top pairing guy.
There's also the chance a team in the top 10 could take him. He's rising steadily
Anaheim needs defense, and if Drysdale is gone, they could take Sanderson (I wouldn't but that's me). Could also see Montreal take him, if he actually is a top pairing guy.
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We have a future 1D in Fox. I’m calling it now-he becomes a top 20 dman in this league and rather quickly. Trouba is a 2D. K’Andre has Burns upside (though he can end up as literally anything)
And that last package doesn’t get you either player. For a player of that caliber, Kakko or someone similar would have to be involved. For a player like Eichel or Barkov, you need to trade a near guaranteed elite talent. I do think we’re one of the only teams that’d have the pieces for either if they become available though. But literally any team in the league would rush to beat that specific offer
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Yeah Massachusetts is about to reopen and there was a resurgence yesterday....
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It could be a whack a mole thing for a while too. It dies down a bit in New Jersey, New York and rises in Texas, Florida and Georgia. It dies down in those place and then rises in California or Missouri.
As far as I know there are three sets of Governors working in coordination with each other--many of the states in the Northeast region, several states in the rust belt Midwest regions and about 5 states in the west. I think that's going to be helpful in beating it back but it still leaves about 30 states that are pretty much acting on their own.
A Cornell University epedemiologist when asked about how necessary testing will be the other day said that it's extremely important and that people may need to be tested maybe even much more than one time and likened opening up an economy with very little testing as trying to cross a busy road blind. Maybe another analogy would be playing your first ice hockey game the first time you ever put on skates. No one knows how many people this is going to kill but when too many get sick--the hospital end starts collapsing and there is no choice than to shut down then the area covered by that hospital.
I do expect at least two or three regions in NYS to reopen around the 15th. That said I think it's going to be a while before downstate including Long Island is ready to reopen. And as far as reopen goes it doesn't mean everything and it doesn't mean that people shouldn't be cautious about social distancing or not continue to wear masks when other people are nearby.
Hate to say it but I think this country is going to have a second wave and it's going to be at least as hard as the first. If that does happen though I do think people here in NYS and NYC will be better prepared than other parts of the country.
Pretty safe call. Fox was a top 15 defenseman in the league when play was "paused"
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Fanbase wanted Wahlstrom who's a total bust, not sure we should put much stock in their draft analysis.If the Rangers draft a defenseman in the top-10, this fanbase is going to burn down MSG
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Ranger fans will want whoever Larry Brooks writes about. It happened with Mittelstadt, it happened with Wahlstrom
Joey Bones
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No. The Rangers won't need him and someone will reach early on him. He could go top 5, pushing a much needed center down the line. And the fact that you have Holtz under Lundell and Sanderson is baffling. Colangelo and Neighbours will not go 12th and 13th. No chance....
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This was my write up on him a few pages back....
- Jake Sanderson - Can definitely see why people are hyping this kid up. Very good skater with great edge-work, will shut down the corners/crease then hop in the play offensively on the breakout. Very mobile defender with great instincts defensively. I question how good offensively he'll be in the pros, but he is very smart with the defensive side of hockey. I think he will go into the top 10, but I don't think NYR should take him because one of those stud centers will drop. **Side note, a friend of mine mentioned to me the other day that a scouting service (think it was NHL Central Scouting) ran a mock combine with video and data analysis they had along with interviews with the kids, coaching/training staff. Turns out that with the information they had Sanderson ranked in the top 3 of all testing categories. Take that as you will.**
He'll be a good defensive defender with a solid transition game, but I have questions with how good he'll be offensively in the NHL. I think trading up with both 1sts is quite the overpayment seeing who could drop to No. 13 and the extra pick in the later 1st round; who NYR could grab someone like Braden Schneider, who is kind of the same player with more offensive.
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A lot to unpack here....
For starters, the Sabres won't trade Eichel who is their core/star player and neither will Florida regarding Barkov (they also just signed Denisenko so the Panthers will be scary good at some point). Shipping Buch (a good, solid, top-6 winger who has chemistry with the team), a 1st round pick and TWO of the Rangers TOP 5 prospects is insane to consider for a return that won't guarantee anything other than a quick offensive increase and add cap issues. Not to mention they immediately deplete their defensive prospect line. Absolute no from management.
Next, I do agree that they need to focus on center, but let's not forget the other positions, either. Teams build success through solid depth on all positions. Sure, NYR is golden with their goalie prospects (they will probably draft one this year) and very solid on their defensive prospects, but BPA is always a factor. The focus should be on center and some wings, but if they're in the 3rd round and their next forward is ranked way lower than said goalie or defender, you need to keep stocking the cupboard.
I do feel, though, that most teams picking early on will take a run at defenders with Askarov highly likely going in the top 10. One of those centers or wingers are bound to fall right in the Rangers laps. If they don't, a player like Lundell, Holloway or Jarvis are beauts to pick up with their 1st pick.
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