Rumor: 2020-21 Trade Rumours and FA Part VIII: Intra-Playoff Edition?

[Pokecheque]

Seattle should be the team that gets Barrie. I think TB4 (or TB22...whatever) would be a natural fit in Vancouver, but they don't have the cap room and Barrie would be nuts to sign with THAT organization.

I also don't think the price tag will be quite that high.

 

[Pokecheque]

Honestly, Edmonton could keep Barrie and be okay with it. He shouldn't be your primary offensive catalyst at this point anyway.

The guy they should sell high on is Nurse. I think someone is going to throw a lot of money at that guy and regret it.

 

[redacted]

New Jersey isn’t a team I thought of for Barrie, but it makes some sense. Especially since Butcher kind of flamed out on them.

Makes a ton of sense... not just because of Butcher though. They just don't have any horses on the backend that can bring offense at a consistent high level. PK is done. Smith is solid, but not a high end offensive guy. They have a void on the right side and absolutely need a guy who can run a PP. Plus they only have 44m on the cap for next year with few big raises. I imagine New Jersey will be busy bringing in 2-3 bigger names and a smaller 1 or 2.

My bet is Barrie + Hyman + Coleman + Bunting for NJD...

 

[Richard88]

I wonder which team gives Tyson Barrie 7-9 million dollars this off-season.

Depending on how much they're willing to spend Anaheim would be an interesting fit.

Edit: On second thought they have Shattenkirk as their PPQB so maybe not

 

[Hasbro]

I would most likely. But if his off ice issues are a detriment to everyone else than that would be an issue.

Makes$2.5M more and is on a long term contract.

 

[PAZ]

Makes a ton of sense... not just because of Butcher though. They just don't have any horses on the backend that can bring offense at a consistent high level. PK is done. Smith is solid, but not a high end offensive guy. They have a void on the right side and absolutely need a guy who can run a PP. Plus they only have 44m on the cap for next year with few big raises. I imagine New Jersey will be busy bringing in 2-3 bigger names and a smaller 1 or 2.

My bet is Barrie + Hyman + Coleman + Bunting for NJD...

Don't think Bunting would come here? Would be a great middle 6 option, especially if we can jettison Compher and lose Donskoi to Seattle. Give Bunting a 1-2 year contract where he can prove his production and play is sustainable on one of the best teams in the league, and then he gets a big payday afterwards.

 

[redacted]

Don't think Bunting would come here? Would be a great middle 6 option, especially if we can jettison Compher.

His goal is going to be NHL time in a top 9. I don't realistically think the Avs can offer that. Even without Saad, there are Landy, Rants, Burkie, Nuke, Dong, and Newhook penciled in. Then you get potential backfills and developments from the pool (and just Bednar liking JTC). Bunting can go to a bad team that only has ~3-4 options for top 9 wings to solidify a spot instead.

 

[PowerMac]

Why won't they try Rantanen at 2C? There's plenty of good of wingers on this team now to fill his spot.

 

[PAZ]

His goal is going to be NHL time in a top 9. I don't realistically think the Avs can offer that. Even without Saad, there are Landy, Rants, Burkie, Nuke, Dong, and Newhook penciled in. Then you get potential backfills and developments from the pool (and just Bednar liking JTC). Bunting can go to a bad team that only has ~3-4 options for top 9 wings to solidify a spot instead.

This would be assuming Dong gets taken by Seattle and ideally Compher is traded. Bednar likes Compher, but he's easily our most expendable forward.

Landy, Rants, Bura, and Nuke aren't losing their spots in the top 9. However, that still leaves 2 more spots in the top 9 and he'd be competing with Newhook and Kaut. If Bunting can solidify himself in our top 9, he'd be a lot more productive here than any other team.

 

[Balthazar]

Graves has been very good in the first round. Also Donkey has been very important this year (and wasn't bad in the first round either).

We really need Seattle to take Compher

 

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This would be assuming Dong gets taken by Seattle and ideally Compher is traded. Bednar likes Compher, but he's easily our most expendable forward.

Landy, Rants, Bura, and Nuke aren't losing their spots in the top 9. However, that still leaves 2 more spots in the top 9 and he'd be competing with Newhook and Kaut. If Bunting can solidify himself in our top 9, he'd be a lot more productive here than any other team.

That is a pretty big if that is tied with 2 other moves... and playing 1st line minutes elsewhere (I think he could in NJ) will lead to more production than being on the 3rd line here. I like Bunting, but I don't think he's realistic here. He's looking for that guaranteed spot and prime area to establish his game.

 

[Avs_19]

Not as a 2C but here's to another offseason of Stastny talk. I'm ready.

It's really too bad he's not already on the team and getting ready to get the Cup from Landeskog/EJ/Bellemare. Whatever order they go in based on seniority/tenure.

 

[PAZ]

That is a pretty big if that is tied with 2 other moves... and playing 1st line minutes elsewhere (I think he could in NJ) will lead to more production than being on the 3rd line here. I like Bunting, but I don't think he's realistic here. He's looking for that guaranteed spot and prime area to establish his game.

Seattle is taking either Graves or Donskoi, I don't see them taking anyone else anymore.

Compher is a bigger if, but if Bunting outplays Compher (isn't too hard) he'd have a place in the top 9 and potentially in our top 6. But you're most likely right, New Jersey will probably be a better a option.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Why won't they try Rantanen at 2C? There's plenty of good of wingers on this team now to fill his spot.

I don’t think Bednar wants to mess with the top line, but he should have that option in his back pocket if the depth scoring runs dry while Kadri is out.

 

[redacted]

Seattle is taking either Graves or Donskoi, I don't see them taking anyone else anymore.

Compher is a bigger if, but if Bunting outplays Compher (isn't too hard) he'd have a place in the top 9 and potentially in our top 6. But you're most likely right, New Jersey will probably be a better a option.

I think it is too early to tell where Seattle will go. They'll have options around the league and the decision will be more around how to build the best roster plus expendable assets. Which I think favors Graves right now. Graves can play in a top 4, is younger, and has value around the league. I could see Seattle going for any of Graves, Dong, Compher, or LOC (if they were smart MacNorris).

 

[Balthazar]

Seattle is taking either Graves or Donskoi, I don't see them taking anyone else anymore

Graves is almost a lock IMO. People outside of COL are praising him constantly, he has a good reputation throughout the NHL.

And as much as we often don't like him, he's going to leave a big hole in that defense if they pick him. We can have a preview with Nemeth right now of what is a bottom pairing defensive minded dman.

 

[Pokecheque]

Not as a 2C but here's to another offseason of Stastny talk. I'm ready.

It's really too bad he's not already on the team and getting ready to get the Cup from Landeskog/EJ/Bellemare. Whatever order they go in based on seniority/tenure.

Very much doubt it happens. Unless his wife again insists on living somewhere else, he's re-upping in Winnipeg.

 

[PAZ]

Graves is almost a lock IMO. People outside of COL are praising him constantly, he has a good reputation throughout the NHL.

And as much as we often don't like him, he's going to leave a big hole in that defense if they pick him. We can have a preview with Nemeth right now of what is a bottom pairing defensive minded dman.

I think Graves is expendable if EJ is expected to come back next season (and we can't afford Graves if EJ is coming back). If EJ is done though, then it'll be interesting to see what Joe does.

I think it is too early to tell where Seattle will go. They'll have options around the league and the decision will be more around how to build the best roster plus expendable assets. Which I think favors Graves right now. Graves can play in a top 4, is younger, and has value around the league. I could see Seattle going for any of Graves, Dong, Compher, or LOC (if they were smart MacNorris).

I just don't see how Compher, LOC, or MacDonald are even options at this point. Compher had a horrendous season and is overpaid, MacDonald is currently a healthy scratch and was a career AHLer, and LOC is dealing with a major injury.

 

[redacted]

I think Graves is expendable if EJ is expected to come back next season (and we can't afford Graves if EJ is coming back). If EJ is done though, then it'll be interesting to see what Joe does.



I just don't see how Compher, LOC, or MacDonald are even options at this point. Compher had a horrendous season and is overpaid, MacDonald is currently a healthy scratch and was a career AHLer, and LOC is dealing with a major injury.

Compher had a bad season here, but he has his fans around the league. He's also been a guy to show spurts of higher play than he can sustain. Vegas made a killing off getting guys like that. The scout pounding the table for Compher is the guy saying Compher is a 20-20 winger with versatility, he's just buried in a deep lineup. I don't really agree, but that will be the argument.

I really think MacDonald is the smart pick for a number of reasons, but I don't think he's realistic which is why he isn't in the list. Just my comment. LOC is another one of the buried guys for a chance. He'd be an option if Seattle was taking on short-term salary for assets and Seattle needed a cheap guy to throw out there who still has potential. I think people forget this isn't about selecting the single best player from each team, rather it is building the best collection of assets with a fieldable team that has untapped potential. The opportunities to grab picks and prospects for salary is going to be huge this summer for Seattle. Them saving $~3m from Dong/Compher to LOC could be the difference on getting a high B/low A level prospect or a 1st round pick. Even if LOC only ends up a good 4th liner, that can be worth it. If LOC becomes a good 3rd liner, it is the best move to make.

 

[Avs_19]

Very much doubt it happens. Unless his wife again insists on living somewhere else, he's re-upping in Winnipeg.

I doubt it unless they just overpay him and he can't turn it down, which would be surprising considering some of the salaries they have up front and specifically at the center position. Unless he has said he plans to re-sign and I just missed it?

 

[Pokecheque]

I just don't see how Compher, LOC, or MacDonald are even options at this point. Compher had a horrendous season and is overpaid, MacDonald is currently a healthy scratch and was a career AHLer, and LOC is dealing with a major injury.

Compher bounced back just fine once he was moved back to the wing. It was the Avs being insanely stubborn and trying him at 3C that led to the implosion of his game and confidence. Overpaid, yes, but I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility they take him. Of the three I think he's the least likely though.

One injury is not going to deter Seattle in O'Connor if they're interested. Prior to that he was proving to be an excellent defensive forward with size, speed, grit, and some finish.

MacDonald was driving play at an insane level this season, one of the best in the league at it. As Henchy pointed out, there might have been a reason why NHL teams were not giving him a legit shot prior to this. Seattle has one of the most, if not THE most analytics-savvy front offices in the league. If you don't think they're at least looking at him you're fooling yourself. I don't think they WILL take him...but they're looking. Just because the Avs have opted to go with the bigger, more physical guy (who is not remotely as good) to round out the playoff depth chart doesn't really negate MacDonald's value.

 

[Pokecheque]

I doubt it unless they just overpay him and he can't turn it down, which would be surprising considering some of the salaries they have up front and specifically at the center position. Unless he has said he plans to re-sign and I just missed it?

I'm sure both sides are waiting for the offseason. He's officially 35, so any team signing him knows that anything with a big cap hit and term garners significant risk. It always kinda struck me as strange that he signed the deal in Vegas knowing that it'd end around the worst possible time for him career-wise. He didn't have them buy up any of his 35+ years...if they had the rule wouldn't apply. Maybe he'll be like Sakic and just take one-year deals from now until he finally hangs them up. I imagine he's got maybe two more seasons before his game takes a very serious decline.

 

[redacted]

MacDonald was driving play at an insane level this season, one of the best in the league at it. As Henchy pointed out, there might have been a reason why NHL teams were not giving him a legit shot prior to this. Seattle has one of the most, if not THE most analytics-savvy front offices in the league. If you don't think they're at least looking at him you're fooling yourself. I don't think they WILL take him...but they're looking. Just because the Avs have opted to go with the bigger, more physical guy (who is not remotely as good) to round out the playoff depth chart doesn't really negate MacDonald's value.

If I was a scout there, I'd be pounding the table for him. I get that he's a pure YOLO all over the place, but he's low risk with legitimately impact reward. If his play driving wasn't a fluke (and I don't think it is), he's not only a top 4 guy, but an ice tilting top 4 guy. I don't think Seattle will go for him, but if there was a front office to go all in on him being a top 4 guy, it is Seattle.

I'm sure both sides are waiting for the offseason. He's officially 35, so any team signing him knows that anything with a big cap hit and term garners significant risk. It always kinda struck me as strange that he signed the deal in Vegas knowing that it'd end around the worst possible time for him career-wise. He didn't have them buy up any of his 35+ years...if they had the rule wouldn't apply. Maybe he'll be like Sakic and just take one-year deals from now until he finally hangs them up. I imagine he's got maybe two more seasons before his game takes a very serious decline.

35+ rules changed under this new MOU.

 

[PAZ]

Compher had a bad season here, but he has his fans around the league. He's also been a guy to show spurts of higher play than he can sustain. Vegas made a killing off getting guys like that. The scout pounding the table for Compher is the guy saying Compher is a 20-20 winger with versatility, he's just buried in a deep lineup. I don't really agree, but that will be the argument.

I really think MacDonald is the smart pick for a number of reasons, but I don't think he's realistic which is why he isn't in the list. Just my comment. LOC is another one of the buried guys for a chance. He'd be an option if Seattle was taking on short-term salary for assets and Seattle needed a cheap guy to throw out there who still has potential. I think people forget this isn't about selecting the single best player from each team, rather it is building the best collection of assets with a fieldable team that has untapped potential. The opportunities to grab picks and prospects for salary is going to be huge this summer for Seattle. Them saving $~3m from Dong/Compher to LOC could be the difference on getting a high B/low A level prospect or a 1st round pick. Even if LOC only ends up a good 4th liner, that can be worth it. If LOC becomes a good 3rd liner, it is the best move to make.

I'd agree with you if the options weren't Graves or Donskoi. If Graves continues his play in the postseason, he'd be able to return a low 1st or 2nd + B prospect without them taking on any extra salary. Donskoi would have his supporters as well and has proven he can produce when given top 6 minutes. Also considering both of them have the ideal length of contracts for an expansion team (2 years left) where they can either help bring the team to contending quickly like Vegas and be re-signed, or they can be sold off as a deadline rental in a year or two for a decent return.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

If I’m Seattle, I take Graves over MacDonald every day of the week.

MacDonald piled up great advanced stats against non-playoff teams and has trended down since.