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Rumor: 2020-21 Trade Rumours and FA Part VIII: Intra-Playoff Edition?

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JH21 said:
My offseason mock:

Protect:

Mackinnon, Landeskog, Rantanen, Burakovsky, Nichuskin, Jost, Saad, Makar, Toews, Graves, Ulmark

Trade:

D- Sam Girard, C- Nazem Kadri, W- Martin Kaut and D- Drew Helleson to Philadelphia for C- Sean Coutourier and LW- Oskar Lindblom

D- Ryan Graves to New Jersey for LW Miles Wood

W- JT Compher to Ottawa for a 2022 4th

Joonas Donskoi selected by Seattle

Sign:

C- Phillip Danault 5 x 5
RW- Blake Coleman 4 x 4.5
G- Linnus Ulmark 3 x 3.75
RD- Jani Hakanpaa 2 x 2.5
LD- Derek Forbort 2 x 2.25

Re-Sign:

Cale Makar 7 x 9.5
Gabe Landeskog 5 x 6.25
Brandon Saad 4 x 4.75
Conor Timmins 1 x 850k
Jonas Johannson 1 x 850k
Tyson Jost 1 x 1.25

Landeskog - Mackinnon - Rantanen
Saad - Coutourier - Burakovsky
Wood - Danault - Coleman
O'Connor - Jost - Nichushkin

Toews - Makar
Byram - Hakanpaa
Forbort - Timmins

Ulmark
Johansson
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The Buffalo Sabres goaltending duo. Thats a bold move...
 
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Northern Avs Fan said:
I fault Bednar more than Sakic.

I don’t know who everyone wanted at the trade deadline. It seemed like the options were pretty limited and Hall chose to go to Boston.

Bednar refused to play Byram and wouldn’t even try Newhook and Soderberg at centre.
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Bednar is not without blame, but there are always options at the trade deadline. Tampa got Goodrow last year and he was relatively obscure when it went down, but it was a great find for them.

It was painfully obvious after the Dallas series last year we needed more grit in the bottom 6. It was obvious all season we needed better center depth. A 2C to bump Kadri down IMO, but a legit 3C at minimum.

These issues were not addressed (and it doesn't have to be on deadline day) and once again, when the going gets tough, the team relies on 1 line to get the job done.

Whether it was because
a) the Front Office overrated our depth and thought it was good enough
b) the Front Office was too afraid to 'lose a trade' and wasn't willing to part with the required assets
c) We're building for the future mentality

We will never know. But as other posters have mentioned we had both the cap space and the assets to get something done, and it was a failure and wasted season by not doing so. Kadri in the lineup does not make the difference IMO.

Edit - And the most frustrating part is we knew Soderberg and Nemeth sucked. That's why we got rid of them in the first place.
 
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dahrougem2 said:
I don't get this line of thinking. So because Edmonton and Toronto are struggling, we can't go big down the middle with a 1/2 punch?

What about the Pittsburgh example? What about Los Angeles with Kopitar/Carter? What about Boston with all their success having Bergeron/Krejci? Washington with Backstrom/Kuznetsov?

Go back even further than that. Detroit with Datsyuk/Zetterberg?

Come on now.
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Yzerman/Fedorov, Foppa/Sakic, Lecavlier/Richards etc. etc
 
Eichel will go elsewhere where he'll be the 1C. Trying to be like the Pens is fun until you realize that having 2 superstar centers didn't work in Toronto or Edmonton. It's not guaranteed success.

On top of that the Avs won't allocate 10M of cap hit for the 2C slot during the next 5 years. Not with Makar and Landy and Rants and Mack to pay anyway. That's not realistic.

IMO they keep Kadri for next season then slowly transition to Newhook.
 
Dig deep into the stats and find the best players in regards to holding a 2 goal 3rd period lead.. and the best players at leading 3rd period comebacks

Cover all the bases!
 
Sakic looks at things situationally. We should know that by now. We don’t need a RD PP specialist. Klingberg is decent 5v5 but not great. He’s at his best on the PP. A team who needs a John Klingberg would easily outbid Sakic who would really only use him as a luxury.

if Sakic is adding a RD it’ll be a 5v5 king who can also PK so that they don’t feel the need to play a Nemeth just because the PK doesn’t have anyone else. An EJ/Larsson is a necessity for Colorado’s back end. Seth Jones is that type but several tiers up and very expensive and will be even more expensive to extend. Manson is a decent.
 
Cousin Eddie said:
Sakic looks at things situationally. We should know that by now. We don’t need a RD PP specialist. Klingberg is decent 5v5 but not great. He’s at his best on the PP. A team who needs a John Klingberg would easily outbid Sakic who would really only use him as a luxury.

if Sakic is adding a RD it’ll be a 5v5 king who can also PK so that they don’t feel the need to play a Nemeth just because the PK doesn’t have anyone else. An EJ/Larsson is a necessity for Colorado’s back end. Seth Jones is that type but several tiers up and very expensive and will be even more expensive to extend. Manson is a decent.
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I miss EJ looking out for Girard.

 
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I've been saying Avs should get Jones, but more I think about it, that's probably not gonna happen. EJ should be healthy next year and we don't know if he can actually stay healthy, but if he can, Avs may not need to make changes on D.

Toews-Makar
Girard-EJ
Byram-Timmins

What Avs need more is better bottom 6 forwards. Get couple of grinders that can provide offense.

????-Newhook-????
LOC-Jost-Nichushkin

Just upgrade the 3rd line. Lose Donskoi to expansion, resign Saad
 
Balthazar said:
Eichel will go elsewhere where he'll be the 1C. Trying to be like the Pens is fun until you realize that having 2 superstar centers didn't work in Toronto or Edmonton. It's not guaranteed success.

On top of that the Avs won't allocate 10M of cap hit for the 2C slot during the next 5 years. Not with Makar and Landy and Rants and Mack to pay anyway. That's not realistic.

IMO they keep Kadri for next season then slowly transition to Newhook.
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Again, you cite the Toronto/Edmonton example but there are more examples of the 1/2 punch down the middle working than not working.
 
Balthazar said:
If Sakic does that that means he's not all-in for the next 2 years. A bridge would be much cheaper short term.

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A bridge probably saves you a few mil per year, but there’s easier ways the Avs can trim money. Donskoi, Compher, EJ… all overpaid. Makar won’t be overpaid, and he’s a guaranteed stud.
 
AvsCOL said:
A bridge probably saves you a few mil per year, but there’s easier ways the Avs can trim money. Donskoi, Compher, EJ… all overpaid. Makar won’t be overpaid, and he’s a guaranteed stud.
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Look at Tampa. They did everything they could asking their stars to go on bridge contracts just to save a million or two during their window. It matters.
 
Balthazar said:
If Sakic does that that means he's not all-in for the next 2 years. A bridge would be much cheaper short term.

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If a superstar wants to commit to your team long term, I don’t think it makes any sense to mess around with that to save a couple million on the AAV.

You can lock him up through his prime and have cost certainty with the cap when it’s time to re-up MacKinnon.
 
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Balthazar said:
Look at Tampa. They did everything they could asking their stars to go on bridge contracts just to save a million or two during their window. It matters.
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Bridge contracts can bite you in the ass, especially with a talent on the level that Makar is. Also, I'm not so sure bridge deals did a ton to save the Bolts money the one year they finally won it all. We're learning now that locking a guy up long-term in his prime years is much more preferable to bridging him and then throwing money at him in his late twenties when he's set to decline. That's where you get into "reward contract" territory and it almost always doesn't work out.

The Avs just need to quit f***ing around with their bad contracts. They should not have given JTC the deal they gave him, and they know that now. That deal, Graves, and possibly Donskoi, have to be moved off the books. No excuses. No idea what they do with EJ. I think that may still be a buyout, or possibly sent to Robidas Island.
 
Balthazar said:
Such as? We're talking superstars here.
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Crosby/Malkin. Datsyuk/Zetterberg. Bergeron/Krejci. Kopitar/Carter. Kuznetsov/Backstrom.

The caliber of player doesn't have to be equal or greater than MacKinnon, but for two years the salaries of him + Eichel would be similar to the above mentioned players. That's what you hope for and build your team around. Figure out the cap in two years' time, take your best shot at a Stanley Cup until then.
 
Cousin Eddie said:
Sakic looks at things situationally. We should know that by now. We don’t need a RD PP specialist. Klingberg is decent 5v5 but not great. He’s at his best on the PP. A team who needs a John Klingberg would easily outbid Sakic who would really only use him as a luxury.

if Sakic is adding a RD it’ll be a 5v5 king who can also PK so that they don’t feel the need to play a Nemeth just because the PK doesn’t have anyone else. An EJ/Larsson is a necessity for Colorado’s back end. Seth Jones is that type but several tiers up and very expensive and will be even more expensive to extend. Manson is a decent.
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You consider Jones to be very expensive right now? His cap hit is $5.4 million.

He "may" be very expensive to extend but right now $5.4 million for what he can do seems like a pretty decent number to me.
 
the_fan said:
I've been saying Avs should get Jones, but more I think about it, that's probably not gonna happen. EJ should be healthy next year and we don't know if he can actually stay healthy, but if he can, Avs may not need to make changes on D.

Toews-Makar
Girard-EJ
Byram-Timmins

What Avs need more is better bottom 6 forwards. Get couple of grinders that can provide offense.

????-Newhook-????
LOC-Jost-Nichushkin

Just upgrade the 3rd line. Lose Donskoi to expansion, resign Saad
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Even if EJ is healthy (big if) we are talking about a guy whose played 2 games in over a year now? Hes not exactly the youngest guy either. I don't mind having EJ around but I would not be putting him in a top 4 role or any role where hes heavily relied upon for the teams success. Bottom pairing guy who plays 12-15 mins a night on the second PK unit type of thing is fine with me. Its kinda like Calvert. I love the guy but he cant stay healthy so we shouldnt be relying on him playing in the bottom 6 for anything.

Jones would be ideal but I agree the cost will be immense.
 
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