Rumor: 2020-21 Trade Rumours and FA Part VIII: Intra-Playoff Edition?

[hoserthehorrible]

Trade Kadri and girard for Jones and merzlikins

trade compher and pick for miles wood.

Trade Donskoi for picks

buyout Johnson and Seattle takes Graves.

sign danault
sign Coleman
Sign Perry at league minimum.
Sign saad
Sign cheap LHD, oleksiak?

Saad - Mackinnon - Rantanen
Landeskog - Danault - Burakovsky
Coleman - Newhook - Wood
Nuke - Jost - Perry/Ranta

Toews - Makar
Byram - Jones
Oleksiak - Timmins

merzlikins
Francouz

wasn’t able to do the math on the money but this would be my wish list for an ideal balanced team, highly doubtful there’s this much of a shake up either.

I tried all that on capfriendly.com and you're likely going to be over the salary cap by $1 - $2 million depending on what all the RFAs/UFAs cost. As you said, that's a ton of moves that I don't see Sakic making either.

 

[Newusername]

All the analytics guys are down on Jones. I could see Sakic avoiding that gamble. Especially for multiple roster players.

 

[hughdreamz]

Remembering the “big game hunting” rumor at the trade deadline. I think Sakic will make a big trade. He won’t sit on his hands while Mack has just 2 years left on this contract.

 

[Balthazar]

I mean this is the lowest Jones' value is going to be. If he can resurrect his career anywhere it's gonna be in Colorado

Look at what Jarmo asked for Savard and Foligno at the deadline.

I think the price will be so high on the draft floor that it won't worth it unless it's a sign a trade situation.

 

[Hasbro]

Wonder if Cozens is available from Buffalo. Even back when we drafted Byram, I thought if we pick a F, Cozens would be the perfect player for 2C. He seems to have progressed nicely since then.

I swear, every goddamn tall forward the Avalanche didn’t draft in the 1st round. Next up: Serron Noel.

 

[BobRossColton]

I'm in the camp of getting someone sturdy for the middle 6. Not tall but very good on his skates. Cizikas, Martinook, Palat, Gourde, sissons, jarnkrok?

 

[myperbixhurts]

In the playoffs you can't just rely on one line to take you all the way to the cup no matter how good that line is. People blaming the Avs top line not doing enough, but other than Saad, no one else did much against Vegas. Nichushkin hustles, plays hard and plays good D, but he can't score. Same with Jost.

I won't mind having Jost and Nichushkin on the 4th line, but the Avs gonna need to upgrade that 3rd line. Do what Tampa did, get grinders who can also provide offense on that line.

Avs 3rd line with Nichushkin who can't finish, Jost not really much offense or grinding and Donskoi who is just a very streaky player. When he's going he's good, when he's not, he's completely invisible, doesn't do much to help the team.

Upgrade the 3rd line and the blueline

 

[Forceberg]

In the playoffs you can't just rely on one line to take you all the way to the cup no matter how good that line is. People blaming the Avs top line not doing enough, but other than Saad, no one else did much against Vegas. Nichushkin hustles, plays hard and plays good D, but he can't score. Same with Jost.

I won't mind having Jost and Nichushkin on the 4th line, but the Avs gonna need to upgrade that 3rd line. Do what Tampa did, get grinders who can also provide offense on that line.

Avs 3rd line with Nichushkin who can't finish, Jost not really much offense or grinding and Donskoi who is just a very streaky player. When he's going he's good, when he's not, he's completely invisible, doesn't do much to help the team.

Upgrade the 3rd line and the blueline

As you said, 1 line cannot take you to the cup. But the AVS need a 2nd line not a 3rd line. Take the pressure off the Mack line.

 

[Vaslof]

As you said, 1 line cannot take you to the cup. But the AVS need a 2nd line not a 3rd line. Take the pressure off the Mack line.

Yeah, this was our biggest issue. Kadri and Bura were both disappointments. Donskoi wasn't actively bad, but not a difference maker. Even Landeskog had pretty bad playoffs. Only scoring forwards I'd give a pass were MacK, Rants and Saad. Just gives more reason to keep Saad with playoffs in mind. He was great even if he hadn't scored as many goals. Now, we can't make HUGE changes, but something like keeping Saad and replacing Kadri with a 2C that can carry a line could be enough.

The other, smaller areas to improve on: Third penalty killing defenseman. Could be just EJ, but if he's unhealthy, then the replacement needs to be better than Nemeth. A back-up goalie that we'd dare to actually play would be nice as well. Francouz still has a contract though, so not sure what can be done.

 

[MarkT]

I think Nuke can be a 3rd liner for us - he just needs to be the extra piece on the line, not the one expected to score the goals. Jost should replace PEB as the 4th line center.

The way I see it, what we need is two new middle six forwards to replace two of Compher, Donskoi and Kadri. If we lose Saad that makes three forwards we'd need. Depending on the cap situation, this might mean pencilling in Newhook as one of these forwards, but I'd prefer not to assume he's ready.

Meanwhile on defense, all I think we need is a 2nd pair right-handed big, strong defenseman who can kill penalties. Bendar then needs to be told he has to learn to trust whoever is on his bottom pair to kill penalties - he won't be given a guy like Nemeth again.

So in my mind, that's just 3-4 new players we need. The main priorities for Sakic will be to find creative ways to get rid of those 3-4 million cap hits.

 

[Foppberg]

Go out and sign Jake McCabe, Armia, get Grubs back on a 1 or 2 year deal, and make a mega trade for Couts. Boom.

 

[Miri]

Go out and sign Jake McCabe, Armia, get Grubs back on a 1 or 2 year deal, and make a mega trade for Couts. Boom.

coutinho?

 

[Foppberg]

coutinho?

?

 

[LOFIN]

Not sure what's going on in Sakic's head, you could be right though.

I'd love to see a Kadri/Girard for Eichel or a Kadri/Girard for Jones move. Either would likely make the Avs a better team come next year's playoffs. Easier said than done though.

Eichel? Not going to happen. Not with our cap structure.

 

[UncleRisto]

Go out and sign Jake McCabe, Armia, get Grubs back on a 1 or 2 year deal, and make a mega trade for Couts. Boom.

Boom.

 

[Murzu]

Boom.

5x1.25

 

[Pokecheque]

Sorry, I really don’t even want Jost back as a 4th line center. Once playoffs roll around you’re just going to have to shelter the living shit outta him. And he proved in the worst way possible that winning faceoffs matters.

Much as I am disgusted at admitting it, the way the league calls things in the playoffs vs. the regular season, Vegas proved you’re way better off with a big, tough, forechecking fourth line that is a total liability in the defensive zone than you are with a defensively savvy, but smaller trio of players. Get the big boys, get the faceoff winners, get the guys who occasionally put the puck in the net. I mean, FFS, Corey goddamn Perry can’t even skate anymore and is playing at a Conn Smythe clip.

 

[MarkT]

Sorry, I really don’t even want Jost back as a 4th line center. Once playoffs roll around you’re just going to have to shelter the living shit outta him. And he proved in the worst way possible that winning faceoffs matters.

Much as I am disgusted at admitting it, the way the league calls things in the playoffs vs. the regular season, Vegas proved you’re way better off with a big, tough, forechecking fourth line that is a total liability in the defensive zone than you are with a defensively savvy, but smaller trio of players. Get the big boys, get the faceoff winners, get the guys who occasionally put the puck in the net. I mean, FFS, Corey goddamn Perry can’t even skate anymore and is playing at a Conn Smythe clip.

If someone out there values him highly based on his play this year, I'm fine with trading him, then assembling a bang and crash 4th line.

 

[hoserthehorrible]

Eichel? Not going to happen. Not with our cap structure.

If you move Kadri’s and Girard’s contracts for Eichel’s contract there’s no cap issues. I think the issue would be more about Buffalo not doing that deal than any cap problems given the players involved here.

 

[LOFIN]

If you move Kadri’s and Girard’s contracts for Eichel’s contract there’s no cap issues. I think the issue would be more about Buffalo not doing that deal than any cap problems given the players involved here.

For next season? Yes. When MacK comes up? Yikes.

 

[hoserthehorrible]

For next season? Yes. When MacK comes up? Yikes.

There are other contracts coming off the books by then. Girard’s contract will still be on the books when Mac comes up and if it isn’t Kadri when Mac is due then some other 2nd line center will need to be paid a fair amount so I don’t see a big problem. Byram, Barron, Helleson are all cap friendly for a few years to replace Girard’s cap hit.

$10 million is a lot but losing in the 2nd round for a few more years isn’t desirable either. I say go for it now while Mac's contract is still cap friendly and deal with his big cap hit when he needs to be resigned.

 

[Pokecheque]

A Jones for Girard swap would be just about the dumbest trade Sakic could possibly make.

 

[Brett44]

1) trade Graves +Helleson for Miles wood
2) sign ufa Saad,Coleman , Granlund and Oleksiak
3) trade Girard +? For Seth Jones and Merzlikins(or sign Larsson )
4) trade Kadri , Compher,Burakovsky for Crouse and Garland
5) Donskoi to Seatle with a prospect like Kovalenko or Beaucage
Easy summer Joe .

Just for fun

Saad-Mack-Rantanen
Landeskog-Granlund- Garland
Coleman-Newhook- Woods
Crouse-Jost- Nichushkin/O'connor

Toews-Makar
Byram-Jones
Oleksyak-Timmins

Merzlikins
Francouz

Beautiful dream

 

[hoserthehorrible]

A Jones for Girard swap would be just about the dumbest trade Sakic could possibly make.

Care to expand on that or should we just take your opinion as fact?

 

[Pokecheque]

Care to expand on that or should we just take your opinion as fact?

Girard is an elite talent who took his game to the next level this season. Signed to a team-friendly contract at a time when the cap is going to become a serious issue.

Jones had his best season around 2017 or 2018, and has been in a precipitous decline since. Whether he rebounds or not is still a question. I know Henchy and I are in disagreement on him and we will continue to do so. I’m not as bullish on him as others. Also, he’s 26 as opposed to 23, which is a huge issue in terms of contracts.

And lastly, one guy can still walk at the end of this supposed trade. You fail to sign him, you traded the team’s best all-around defender for a rental.

People are overreacting over Girard’s play in this series, and yes, it’s concerning. But I don’t think you throw the baby out with the bath water after a poor showing (and again, it should be noted that Bednar continually partnered G up with the team’s two worst defensemen by a country mile on a vast majority of his shifts). You’d basically be reconfiguring the team at a fundamental level. This team is built around Makar, Toews, and Girard. It is not built around Jones.