Rumor: 2020-21 Trade Rumours and FA Part VIII: Intra-Playoff Edition?

[PowerMac]

Girard is the playoff defenseman version of Gaudreau and Marner. I f***ing hate to admit it but it's true..

It wouldn't be nearly as bad if he actually was that, but he doesn't have the elite puck skills and playmaking skills those guys have.

 

[Balthazar]

If G is put in a position to succeed he will do it. Put him in, say, Montreal and he's not seeing any PK, plays PP1, gets mostly ozone starts and is well protected physically as their only small dman and their only pmd on the team.

Here he's asked to play like he's 6'2 man and he isn't one. Never will be.

I used Montreal as an example but there's at least a dozen teams in the league that could use Girard in a good way without getting most of the bad side.

 

[Vaslof]

Realistically we can't and shouldn't get rid of half the team. As much as we want better players on those spots, they don't just appear out of thin air. There will be a limited amount of players available and other teams will be after them as well. We will also lose someone to the Kraken, but at least it shouldn't sting as much after those playoffs.

Kadri move needs to be accelerated by 1 year. I believe he was always going to be gone after the next season, but I don't think you can wait anymore. Not if you want to win.

 

[dahrougem2]

Potential C's to target and actually help this team next season:

David Krejci
Jack Eichel
Phillip Danault
Tomas Hertl
J.T. Miller

Give me one of those guys. Whether it's Danault as a UFA or if it's creating a super package for Jack Eichel that involves Samuel Girard and Alex Newhook, go big game hunting this offseason because I'll tell you what: if Vegas does not win the Stanley Cup, they are going big game hunting and that is our number one competition in the West next season.

 

[PowerMac]

That 2nd line Center is going to be hard to acquire probably. So I still think their best move is to move Rantanen to 2C and re-sign all the top 6 quality forwards. Mackinnon has shown he doesn't need Rantanen to get going and Rantanen has played well with the likes of Jost. I don't think they really need each other anymore. Getting Jones would be a good idea if EJ can't come back even if it's for just a season, our chances of re-signing him isn't bad. I think the problems with this team isn't so much about adding guys as it is about getting rid of weaknesses the other teams can exploit.

 

[Vaslof]

Girard at 5M as a young guy with a long contract is still fantastic. If you do trade him it has to be a hockey trade for someone really good.

 

[Balthazar]

Girard at 5M as a young guy with a long contract is still fantastic. If you do trade him it has to be a hockey trade for someone really good.

Only reason we could possibly afford to trade him is because of Makar and we have Byram coming up. A "normal" team can't afford to trade a player like that. Ever.

 

[flyfysher]

Only reason we could possibly afford to trade him is because of Makar and we have Byram coming up. A "normal" team can't afford to trade a player like that. Ever.

Agreed. But if you can fill a hole elsewhere and dump some bad contracts in the process…

 

[Avsavsavsavsavs]

Avs have the benefit of so many good potential ELC's, no reason to not trade the bad contracts out and sign a few big names if you have Byram/Newhook/Ranta/LOC + Maybe even giving Helleson a look coming in for pennies.

 

[Balthazar]

That 2nd line Center is going to be hard to acquire probably. <

I'm 90% sure that Sakic still doesn't plan to spend decent cap space and/or assets to get one.

He will stick to the plan of keeping Kadri for one more year and hope that Newhook will be ready to take 2C duty in 2 years.

 

[PowerMac]

5mil is still a lot (only 1mil less than what Mackinnon is making and 1mil more than what Toews is making), enough to re-sign a player like Saad and doesn't make Girard an actual better player than what he is.

 

[dahrougem2]

If Sakic really wanted to channel his inner Patty Roy and put his balls on the table:

Samuel Girard
Alex Newhook
J.T. Compher or Joonas Donskoi (cap purposes)
2022 1st Round Pick


Jack Eichel

Make it ****ing happen, Joe.

 

[Avsboy]

-Trade Girard, Kadri, and Bura (and a 1st?) for Eichel.
-Re-sign Saad
-Lose Landy (not enough money)
-Acquire Armia

Saad-Mackinnon (C)-Rants
Newhook-Eichel-Donskoi
Nichuskin-Jost-Armia
LOC-Compher-Ranta

Toews-Makar
Byram-EJ
MacDonald-Timmins

 

[Avs_19]

Okay so add Jones, Danault, Hall, and Rask/Elvis?

Sakic can figure the cap out. I’m not doing all the work for him.

 

[Hasbro]

Potential C's to target and actually help this team next season:

David Krejci
Jack Eichel
Phillip Danault
Tomas Hertl
J.T. Miller

Give me one of those guys. Whether it's Danault as a UFA or if it's creating a super package for Jack Eichel that involves Samuel Girard and Alex Newhook, go big game hunting this offseason because I'll tell you what: if Vegas does not win the Stanley Cup, they are going big game hunting and that is our number one competition in the West next season.

Danault is going to cost $5M and has cracked 50 points once in his career. He's not the solution at 2C and way too expensive for a pure 3C.

6'1"though.

 

[BleedWell]

Landy is slowing down already. I liked Saad and Burakowsky more in that 1st line in this series than Landy.
I hate to say this cause I like the guy but we should propably let him walk because the cap.

 

[dahrougem2]

Two things for me are certain:

1) You've got to trade Nazem Kadri. 3 series in 4 years where he watches his team get eliminated while suspended is no longer just a coincidence. It's an expectation and he cannot be relied upon.

2) You've got to let Grubauer walk. He's going to ask for a big money, long term deal and you simply cannot commit to him. Not after the game he just played, and not when there are glaring issues with the rest of the roster. He also strikes me as a guy that isn't too friendly and is going to be a "pay me, I don't care about where I play" sort of dude.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I dont think you trade Girard. The Avs success this year came on the back of having 3, at times 4, Dmen that were effortlessly able to move the puck up the ice.

There's no denying Girard had a bad playoffs. But I dont think you trade him because of it. I think the much better play is to find him a partner that can take some of the pressure off of him when they're grinding behind the net or when they are battling in front of the net. When G and EJ played together part of why it worked so incredibly well was because EJ was able to take that pressure off of him, he could go into the board battles free up the puck and move it to G, and as quickly as it was move to Girard he had it moved out of the zone.

I really dont think the solution is to trade G. His puck moving ability when we're playing our game is part of the reason we can dominate games. Its part of the reason why we dominated the Blues, dominated game 1 against Vegas, and part of the reason why we deserved a much, much better fate in game 5 of this series.

But he needs a Dman that can take that pressure off of him in situations where a heavy forechecking team is applying pressure. That guy cant be EJ anymore because he just cant stay healthy.

At the same time, yeah Byram is here as well. I guess if a really, really good trade opportunity presents itself you consider it. But I dont think we should just be looking to dump G at the first opportunity we get here. That contract is far too valuable to just throw him away.

Yeah if you can get Eichel, or even get Couturier with an extension in place... I'd move G in those deals. But if we're not getting a 2C... I dont think you make the deal. Add a big Dman that can play in the Top 4 alongside Girard.

 

[dahrougem2]

Danault is going to cost $5M and has cracked 50 points once in his career. He's not the solution at 2C and way too expensive for a pure 3C.

6'1"though.

The solution isn't Kadri, it isn't Compher, it isn't Jost and I don't think it's Newhook, either.

Somebody has to come in and take that 2C spot. I don't care if he's the size of Giant Gonzalez or Nate Robinson. Just find someone good enough.

 

[flyfysher]

If Sakic really wanted to channel his inner Patty Roy and put his balls on the table:

Samuel Girard
Alex Newhook
J.T. Compher or Joonas Donskoi (cap purposes)
2022 1st Round Pick


Jack Eichel

Make it ****ing happen, Joe.

I’d trade Kaut before Newhook.

 

[Hasbro]

The solution isn't Kadri, it isn't Compher, it isn't Jost and I don't think it's Newhook, either.

Ain't Danault either.

What I suspect will happen is Newhook gets a shot in the middle after they get what they can get for Kadri.

 

[BleedWell]

Girard is the playoff defenseman version of Gaudreau and Marner. I f***ing hate to admit it but it's true..

No!
He's better than Rantanen. Better than Toews.
He is our third best player.
He is # 1-D.
Top-10 D in the league.

This was the common opinion on Avs board just couple of weeks ago

Henchman, Pierce etc can give us more details about The Mighty Sam!

 

[Avs_19]

Ain't Danault either.

What I suspect will happen is Newhook gets a shot in the middle after they get what they can get for Kadri.

That can’t happen. Next year can’t be a “let’s see if Newhook can play center” season. They need to do what puts them in the best position to win it all. They have to have a legit 2C and maybe even an upgrade at 3C.

 

[nammerus]

2 years left to Mackinnon's contract.


I hope people realize that. I hope Joe Sakic realizes that. 2 Years. That is what we have left to a cup window, if we even have that.


I am not even remotely confident this team figures its shit out. This was our year and they blew it. Downhill from here.

Imagine Joe Sakic moving with urgency. Gotta save our 1st to compete in 2025.

Hope Baron is gonna be a stud in 2026 instead of going after Trochek/Pageau.

 

[dahrougem2]

Ain't Danault either.

What I suspect will happen is Newhook gets a shot in the middle after they get what they can get for Kadri.

What's the point? Why keep taking these half measures or hopeful shots?

You've got 2 more years of MacKinnon at his steal of a deal. Enough with the "we hope he can survive" roles. Go fix this.