Rumor: 2020-21 Trade Rumours and FA Part VIII: Intra-Playoff Edition?

[StreetHawk]

Sakic has done a good job here obviously. But it would be nice for him to make a huge move at some point. Be aggressive and fill some of the glaring holes we have.

Canuck fan here coming in peace. In 2019, when the Canucks made the Miller deal for a 2019 3rd round pick and a conditional 1st (which ended up being for 2020), I had thought Miller would have been an ideal target for Colorado. 4 years under contract at $5.25 mill which expires when MacKinnon's deal would be up. Figure he was going to be a versatile 50 odd point player who could play all 3 forward positions. But, the Avs opted for Burakovsky for a 2nd and 3rd. Difference in the end was 1 round of the draft so 31 draft positions. Cap difference was $2 mill last year but only around $350K now and the Avs had the cap space to fit Miller in last season.

Miller seemed like a more proven player that you knew what you were going to get. His ability to also play C would be very handy right now with Kadri's suspension.

But, don't know if that would have meant that the Avs needed to part with the Newhook pick in 2019. Avs 2020 first was always going to be much later than the Canuck's pick moving forward. If the price was the Newhook pick along with a 2020 3rd would the Avs have done it instead of the Burakovsky deal? I think if it was for the same picks in the same rounds as the Canucks picks, that's a move I think the Avs should have made instead.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Canuck fan here coming in peace. In 2019, when the Canucks made the Miller deal for a 2019 3rd round pick and a conditional 1st (which ended up being for 2020), I had thought Miller would have been an ideal target for Colorado. 4 years under contract at $5.25 mill which expires when MacKinnon's deal would be up. Figure he was going to be a versatile 50 odd point player who could play all 3 forward positions. But, the Avs opted for Burakovsky for a 2nd and 3rd. Difference in the end was 1 round of the draft so 31 draft positions. Cap difference was $2 mill last year but only around $350K now and the Avs had the cap space to fit Miller in last season.

Miller seemed like a more proven player that you knew what you were going to get. His ability to also play C would be very handy right now with Kadri's suspension.

But, don't know if that would have meant that the Avs needed to part with the Newhook pick in 2019. Avs 2020 first was always going to be much later than the Canuck's pick moving forward. If the price was the Newhook pick along with a 2020 3rd would the Avs have done it instead of the Burakovsky deal? I think if it was for the same picks in the same rounds as the Canucks picks, that's a move I think the Avs should have made instead.

I also had a gut feeling we were going to get Miller. Not as good of a C as Kadri but I think overall probably would've been a better fit on the team. Oh well it is what it is at this point.

 

[Nihiliste]

I'm of the mindset that a fluke goal happens here and there, but when you're consistently scoring fluke goals... they aren't fluke goals.

7 goals in 9 games for us this year. 25 playoff goals in his career. He gets himself into greasy spots, puts pucks on net, battles for second opportunities, and doesn't take a shift off.

I really want him re-signed.

he has 25 goals in 90 playoff games so before this year 18 in 81. Not quite a 20 goal season pace. I’m not saying he’s Fernando Pisani, he’s shown himself to be good in the playoffs, but he’s very much a complementary player and needs to be paid accordingly by whoever signs him

 

[dahrougem2]

I would hate it but also kinda admire it. NHL teams are way to conservative so seeing a team say screw it and make big trades every season is a nice change. They already tried to dump Pacioretty after acquiring him and then traded a favourite in Schmidt too so they don't really care what people think.

I'm right there with you, as much as I despise Vegas I want the NHL to become as close to the NBA as possible in terms of teams being aggressive and player movement.

 

[Iceberg]

Tell Seattle they can have Burakovsky for free in the expansion draft and give Saad his money.

Of course that is a stupid ideia.

 

[Pokecheque]

Of course that is a stupid ideia.

I'm not so sure about that, but there really should be a play-driver on that line in some form.

 

[Iceberg]

I'm not so sure about that, but there really should be a play-driver on that line in some form.

There are worse contracts that we would want Seattle to take, and i bet we would have no problem getting something back for Bura if we want to trade him after the expansion draft.

 

[Pokecheque]

There are worse contracts that we would want Seattle to take, and i bet we would have no problem getting something back for Bura if we want to trade him after the expansion draft.

That assumes Seattle wants anything to do with those contracts. If they want Graves, hell yeah, drive his ass to the airport RIGHT NOW. Same goes for Compher or EJ. Donskoi's contract is the least problematic among those, but if they were to take him I think that still benefits the Avs to some extent.

No doubt Burakovsky holds more trade value than any of those guys, that's not a devastating blow to the Avs' offense, IMO, and it also frees up much-needed cap room.

Mind you, they could lose Burakovsky and STILL might not have enough to sign Saad, so more cap dumping than that will need to be done. But so long as they address the long-standing depth issues with this team while re-upping both Landeskog and Makar, I really don't care what they do.

 

[dahrougem2]

That assumes Seattle wants anything to do with those contracts. If they want Graves, hell yeah, drive his ass to the airport RIGHT NOW. Same goes for Compher or EJ. Donskoi's contract is the least problematic among those, but if they were to take him I think that still benefits the Avs to some extent.

No doubt Burakovsky holds more trade value than any of those guys, that's not a devastating blow to the Avs' offense, IMO, and it also frees up much-needed cap room.

Mind you, they could lose Burakovsky and STILL might not have enough to sign Saad, so more cap dumping than that will need to be done. But so long as they address the long-standing depth issues with this team while re-upping both Landeskog and Makar, I really don't care what they do.

I think Seattle 100% takes a player from our active roster. No doubt they're going to pick random scrubs from teams they don't feel like picking a player from, but I don't think that'll be us.

The question is, do the Avs protect Logan O'Connor or expose him and risk losing what surely looks like a phenomenal 4th liner that fits this team's identity to a tee? Because if he's exposed, I think Seattle looks at him and only him.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I think Seattle 100% takes a player from our active roster. No doubt they're going to pick random scrubs from teams they don't feel like picking a player from, but I don't think that'll be us.

The question is, do the Avs protect Logan O'Connor or expose him and risk losing what surely looks like a phenomenal 4th liner that fits this team's identity to a tee? Because if he's exposed, I think Seattle looks at him and only him.

He doesn't have to be protected I think?

 

[Pokecheque]

I think Seattle 100% takes a player from our active roster. No doubt they're going to pick random scrubs from teams they don't feel like picking a player from, but I don't think that'll be us.

The question is, do the Avs protect Logan O'Connor or expose him and risk losing what surely looks like a phenomenal 4th liner that fits this team's identity to a tee? Because if he's exposed, I think Seattle looks at him and only him.

I think if the Avs expose him and MacDonald, Seattle will take a very serious look at both.

I hope the Avs choose to protect him, they probably could pretty easily. The top line gets protected of course, followed by Kadri, then Nichushkin and Burakovsky. That leaves a spot for O'Connor if they choose to go the 7/3 route, which they'd be idiots not to. Now if they acquire another forward or re-sign Saad, things get a little more complicated.

 

[redacted]

He doesn't have to be protected I think?

LOC has to be protected.

One thing I think people forget with Seattle, is that some teams (cough Tampa) will be calling them to take on some bad contracts. Grabbing a potential guy like LOC and the excess $3m in cap could be really nice in a situation where Tampa has to offer up Joseph for Seattle to take on Johnson. This isn't about BPA for each team... it is about building the best team including side deals.

 

[The Abusement Park]

LOC has to be protected.

One thing I think people forget with Seattle, is that some teams (cough Tampa) will be calling them to take on some bad contracts. Grabbing a potential guy like LOC and the excess $3m in cap could be really nice in a situation where Tampa has to offer up Joseph for Seattle to take on Johnson. This isn't about BPA for each team... it is about building the best team including side deals.

Oh I thought he had to play a certain amount of games to get to protection status for some reason.

 

[redacted]

Oh I thought he had to play a certain amount of games to get to protection status for some reason.

Nah... people get exposure requirements confused with eligibility. LOC is eligible, but he doesn't meet an exposure requirement to count as a forward exposed.

 

[Iceberg]

I think if the Avs expose him and MacDonald, Seattle will take a very serious look at both.

I hope the Avs choose to protect him, they probably could pretty easily. The top line gets protected of course, followed by Kadri, then Nichushkin and Burakovsky. That leaves a spot for O'Connor if they choose to go the 7/3 route, which they'd be idiots not to. Now if they acquire another forward or re-sign Saad, things get a little more complicated.

How about Jost?

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

Nah... people get exposure requirements confused with eligibility. LOC is eligible, but he doesn't meet an exposure requirement to count as a forward exposed.

That is huge I thought he was exempt. I would work even harder to trade Kadri or Burakovsky then before the ED and protect O'Connor I think his current control and price tag might be worth more to the Avs than either of those guys. Maybe I overvalue him as there might be a lot of players that have similar skill sets across the NHL but he just seems like a guy we wouldn't want to lose like that.

 

[Avs_19]

Saad is a good player and fit but he also shot 22% during the regular season and is shooting 39% in the playoffs. If he gets a sizeable long-term offer elsewhere based on some unsustainable numbers then I think you thank him for his one season here and start looking at replacements.

 

[Avsboy]

Saad is a good player and fit but he also shot 22% during the regular season and is shooting 39% in the playoffs. If he gets a sizeable long-term offer elsewhere based on some unsustainable numbers then I think you thank him for his one season here and start looking at replacements.

His high shooting percentage is mostly because he gets in the dirty areas.

 

[Pokecheque]

Saad produced more in previous seasons (and postseasons) with a much lower Sh%, so I'm not too worried. Yes, he's on the cusp of 30 so they should keep that in mind, and that he's never been someone who can carry a line by himself. Those factors need to be weighed before they consider giving him an extension, but I feel he's been a great fit so I'll be sad to see him go if the Avs look elsewhere.

 

[redacted]

I have zero issue with Saad. He is who he is... a 2nd liner who might get hot and top in 30 goals in a season... will always give you 20. An inconsistent effort guy who isn't talented enough to always overcome that. I think there will be a team that sees his playoffs and know he's a pretty much plug and play guy in any top 9... reward that with a 5 year deal. I think $6m is too high, but it wouldn't surprise me. If he wanted to stick around here for $5m, I'd like to see the Avs pay that (and jettison some 3-5m guys in the process).

 

[The Abusement Park]

Nah... people get exposure requirements confused with eligibility. LOC is eligible, but he doesn't meet an exposure requirement to count as a forward exposed.

Ahhhhhh that makes sense.

 

[Avs_19]

Just go help Tampa out and take Palat off their hands rather than giving a five year deal to a 29 year old Saad.

 

[redacted]

Just go help Tampa out and take Palat off their hands rather than giving a five year deal to a 29 year old Saad.

He'd be an incredible pickup, but I'd rather grab Gourde.

 

[Avs_19]

He'd be an incredible pickup, but I'd rather grab Gourde.

I went with Palat because he has one year left. I really don't think Sakic will be giving out/bringing on long-term contracts unless they end up making big changes to the roster. Landeskog, Makar, and Grubauer are obviously the exceptions.

 

[redacted]

I went with Palat because he has one year left. I really don't think Sakic will be giving out/bringing on long-term contracts unless they end up making big changes to the roster. Landeskog, Makar, and Grubauer are obviously the exceptions.

I prefer Gourde simply because I'm damn tired of this center bandaid that keeps getting thrown on. Gourde isn't a bargain at market rate 3C... but he's a damn good 3C who can play the 2 role if you need. Would be a godsend right now with Kadri out.