I don't think your primary secondary scoring is a luxury piece. I think right now Burakovsky is forced to do too much right now playing with Compher and Donskoi. Despite all the trashing he's actually set up Compher for some good chances that's led to some goals.
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When you primary secondary scoring piece is an enigmatic wing who doesn't play good defense... yeah he's a pure luxury piece. When he's on, he's a big time driver... he's not a guy you build around being an ideal in that spot.
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Burakovsky is basically the Death Star, when you give him time and space that shot is deadly. At the same time, it takes forever for that shot to get set up, and everyone has the blueprint to his very obvious weakness.
Another way to look at it is that we got budget Tarasenko (pre-injury). There's none of the physicality, he's only Tarasenko-effective 40-50% of the time, and the off time is a guy that skates at about 70% of his possible output and refuses to shoot with 100% increase in giveaways.
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If the Flyers are actually thinking about making some moves, I approach them about Coots immediately and make a deal that works as long as it doesn't include Byram.
That's why he's "secondary" scoring, still more consistent than Landeskog honestly at this point (I'd still keep Landy but for no more than 7mil). Burakovsky can play competent defense, he just tries to do too much at times instead of the safer play and that leads him to into trouble like that bad TO last game. He's still competing out there physically on the boards and backchecking meanwhile Girard plays like trash for the entire playoffs and cost the team far more goals with his dumb weak play but gets far less trashing.
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I’d move Byram for Coots if he had an extra year on the contract I think. But the one year left really causes problems.
Burkie is not anywhere in the same league as Landy in consistency in his scoring. Landy is a 1st line wing who plays a good all around game. He's better than Burkie offensively by a bit, but leagues better in every other part of the game. I'm totally fine having Burkie back here next year, but if he doesn't fit under the cap after legit upgrades at center... I'd have zero heartburn on moving him.
I like Landy but he kills a lot of plays out there I find, he also gets to play on the first line and first pp unit. When Burakovsky played on the first line while he was out, he handled himself pretty well there. I can see him getting a point per game if he played on the first line and first powerplay unit too. I'd consider Landeskog somewhere between a first liner and a second liner, obviously he's much better defensively and in front of the net but most of the time I find him lacking more physical play than Burakovsky which is not good for a powerforward type player.
The second line center hole needs to be fixed but again I think they should trade Kadri, Girard, and other assets for that. It's important that the avs keep their quality forward depth so they can roll out line after line.
The second line center hole needs to be fixed but again I think they should trade Kadri, Girard, and other assets for that. It's important that the avs keep their quality forward depth so they can roll out line after line.
Landy isn't a traditional power forward. He doesn't have the frame to do that every night and have a decently long career. Landy gets 1st line minutes because he's the guy that makes the line click. Plenty of evidence to show how he makes more of a difference on that line than Rantanen does. He's not flashy, he's not the greatest driver... he is a near PPG 1st line wing who can play the center role defensively.
Something SUPER stupid.
I do think he could get some negative value guys like Rousell to Buffalo who could flip them at 50%.
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Playoffs aside, the fact of the matter with Burakovsky is that his contract walks him right into free agency next off-season.
If the Avs can move him now and bring in a replacement, I think that's good asset management.
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I will always wonder what the price was on Killorn last winter before Kucherov's surgery was announced. Big time player who always brings it in the playoffs year in, year out, and signed to a more than reasonable deal. Sigh..
On another note, I would basically give Blake Coleman a blank check to play here next year. He checks every box of what we need and what he can bring to the table. We would still need to address our center depth, but he would solve a lot of issues in the bottom 6.
On another note, I would basically give Blake Coleman a blank check to play here next year. He checks every box of what we need and what he can bring to the table. We would still need to address our center depth, but he would solve a lot of issues in the bottom 6.
I don't know I think Mackinnon and Rantanen played just fine with Burakovsky on their line instead of him. I think Landeskog is still a very valuable player to have on your team but I don't think he'd be near ppg if he wasn't playing with Mackinnon and Rantanen like imagine him playing with Compher oh wai-
Honestly I think Saad has better offensive skills than him and a lot more creativity to boot. Landeskog can be too much a double edged sword at times with how much he kills plays.
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Maybe we can swing another 3 team deal with Edmonton and another team where Edmonton gets Bura, we get an upgrade, and a 3rd team gets a bunch of futures. San Jose comes to mind with Hertl/Meier.
Statistically it isn't even that close... this year Mikko and MacK with Landy vs Burkie:
xGF% 66.65% vs 56.17%
SCF% 68.74% vs 53.57%
HDCF% 65.54% vs 42.86%
If you pull in last year's numbers the disparity grows.
Yea I'm not sure what to make of that. Never been an advanced stats guy as far as a sport like hockey goes although I'd be curious about high danger scoring chances. They've obviously been very dominant at times with Landeskog on the line but I don't see that disparity in the numbers with my eyes.
Landy is simply a driver on high danger chances as long as he's playing with decently talented linemates. You could pair him up with Kadri and Burkie, and that line would drive chances at a high rate.
Sure looks like Jake DeBrusk is the latest guy set to let the door hit his ass on the way outta Boston...any interest? Had a DISASTROUS season this year but he has all the makings of a good two-way player. Two years ago he was phenomenal, I can't imagine he's declined that rapidly since then.
I’m shocked.
Only downside of DeBrusk to me is if he produces like he can, he’ll want to be paid bigly.
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Kadri could be an interesting case this offseason if the Avs lose this series. I don't think they'll be so pissed that they'll decide to move on outright but if they can sign someone or find a replacement elsewhere? I can see them thinking they can't trust him similar to the Leafs. It probably doesn't help that he didn't have a great season even before the suspension. I think ideally you keep him and add another center but I don't think it'd be shocking if they try to run with something like MacKinnon, Danault, and Jost/Newhook if possible.
I just don't like play killers, I don't even mind Donskoi on the first unit pp because at least he doesn't kill plays not much of a positive but not much of a negative either. But Kadri kills play too much for me to think of him as much of an asset to this team.
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In terms of the Bura vs Saad discussion I think it comes down to what Saad wants with his extension.
If he’ll take a deal like 4.8 X 4, I’d feel really good going with him. If he wants a good chunk more than that I don’t think it’s worth it.
Bura is two years younger and while he’s been crap this playoff, he was good last year in the postseason. He’s also a better offensive driver than Saad.
I could see the argument for Saad though, since the Avs are likely to lose Bura in a year to free agency anyways. Maybe it makes more sense to get a return for him now. Tough decision.
If he’ll take a deal like 4.8 X 4, I’d feel really good going with him. If he wants a good chunk more than that I don’t think it’s worth it.
Bura is two years younger and while he’s been crap this playoff, he was good last year in the postseason. He’s also a better offensive driver than Saad.
I could see the argument for Saad though, since the Avs are likely to lose Bura in a year to free agency anyways. Maybe it makes more sense to get a return for him now. Tough decision.
Now if you wanted to get ruthless with Rienhard, offer him a 1 year offer sheet. Buffalo wouldn't be able to trade him for a year if they match and definitely lose him for nothing in the '22 off season so they have to just take the picks.
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