Rumor: 2020-21 Trade Rumours and FA Part VIII: Intra-Playoff Edition?

[The Abusement Park]

Jost + 2nd

Send them Jost and MacDonald but it's really Nemeth in a MacDonalds OG number.

 

[redacted]

The key to winning in the playoffs is center depth.

If you don't have center depth you don't win. Eichel is too expensive here without sending Mikko back... but center depth is the key. Followed by good defensemen and a goalie that is at least a top 15 starter.

 

[dahrougem2]

Tellin' ya'll, Avs should be in for some big changes this Summer once Vegas eviscerates our club in 6 games.

 

[PowerMac]

LOL at Girard being our best all around defensemen. Such a mind boggling statement. He is as one dimensional as they come, his fans are quick to hype him up because he "moves the puck" but in order to actually move the puck you need to win possession first and Girard can't do that at all. You can argue that he can use his skating for puck retrievals but again that would require him to actually force players to dump the puck in on zone entries and he doesn't do that. Girard is usually standing in front of the net guarding nobody waiting for his teammates to win the puck battle and get it to him and the thing is he's not even that fast so he gets chased down a lot when carrying the puck nor is he a great passer frequently missing basic 5 foot passes sending the puck behind his teammate or into their feet in the NZ. When the opposing players know about his spin move and are expecting it, he gets shut down completely and is often forced out of the offensive zone because of it. No shot, no puck skills, completely inept at any type of physical play, poor stick checking and reflexes and average at best passer, really Timmins is better than him at everything except for looking smooth while skating.

 

[Iceberg]

Trading for Jones doesn't make sense on so many levels.

I expect a big off-season from the Avs, but in the form of shrewd moves to re-tool the bottom-9 forward group. Bellemare, Calvert (RIP), and Saad are UFAs; Burakovsky and Kadri are a year away from being the same.

Anecdotal evidence but Sakic recently traded away Kerfoot/Zadorov when they were RFA's and Barrie/Soderberg when they had a year left on their deals. I could see a similar fate for Burakovsky/Kadri, considering both have been no shows (literally in one case...) this post-season.

From a cap standpoint adding Jones may not make sense. But swapping Girard for Jones would make our defense better and more well rounded.

 

[Iceberg]

If you don't have center depth you don't win. Eichel is too expensive here without sending Mikko back... but center depth is the key. Followed by good defensemen and a goalie that is at least a top 15 starter.

That is why trading Girard for a #2C should be considered.

Maybe the target in Buffalo should be Reinhart.

 

[shadow1]

From a cap standpoint adding Jones may not make sense. But swapping Girard for Jones would make our defense better and more well rounded.

Player to player I'm taking Jones too. But as you mentioned, the cap implications are too much. Assuming Jones gets the AP contract a year from now, we're talking Girard + $3.8M >> Jones.

 

[Hasbro]

Girard + Kadri for Eichel

Bozak + 2nd

 

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That is why trading Girard for a #2C should be considered.

Maybe the target in Buffalo should be Reinhart.

He's not a good enough center to me in that deal. To me, G would have to return an elite young center that is really a #1 to make it worth it. Pettersson, Eichel, Drai sort. If you're just shooting for an okay #2... the Avs have other ammo to use.

 

[BaconNater]

Fight hard to get to round 3 so we can see how much Danault shuts it down signaling how nice it would be to have a center like that

 

[redacted]

Fight hard to get to round 3 so we can see how much Danault shuts it down signaling how nice it would be to have a center like that

MacK vs Danault would just be incredible to watch. Taking fandom out... that is one of the purest elite vs elite matchups and hockey at its best.

 

[dahrougem2]

MacK vs Danault would just be incredible to watch. Taking fandom out... that is one of the purest elite vs elite matchups and hockey at its best.

We're seeing what Stone/Stephenson do to MacKinnon, I shudder to think of how ineffective MacKinnon would be against Danault.

 

[Avsboy]

We're seeing what Stone/Stephenson do to MacKinnon, I shudder to think of how ineffective MacKinnon would be against Danault.

Stone is better than Danault

 

[redacted]

Stone is better than Danault

Not defensively and not at center.

 

[nammerus]

We're seeing what Stone/Stephenson do to MacKinnon, I shudder to think of how ineffective MacKinnon would be against Danault.

We’re seeing what a 4th line with big unskilled grinders are doing to the 1st line and Mack on occasion. Definitely would be awful to see what a Selke caliber C could do to him.

 

[myperbixhurts]

We’re seeing what a 4th line with big unskilled grinders are doing to the 1st line and Mack on occasion. Definitely would be awful to see what a Selke caliber C could do to him.

Selke caliber C won't be as much of a problem as grinders who's only job is to grind and play D because they don't have any offensive skills. Selke guy would sacrifice some of that D because they also like to go on offense and produce points. MacK destroyed ROR in the 1st round. It's just harder to play against strictly grinders

 

[NOTENOUGHJTCGOALS]

Fight hard to get to round 3 so we can see how much Danault shuts it down signaling how nice it would be to have a center like that

Maybe if MacK can outplay Kolesar and Carrier first.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

We're seeing what Stone/Stephenson do to MacKinnon, I shudder to think of how ineffective MacKinnon would be against Danault.

Series ain’t over yet.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Not defensively and not at center.

Ehhhhhh, Stone is a better player, he’s just not a C.

 

[Iceberg]

He's not a good enough center to me in that deal. To me, G would have to return an elite young center that is really a #1 to make it worth it. Pettersson, Eichel, Drai sort. If you're just shooting for an okay #2... the Avs have other ammo to use.

I don't think Girard can return an elite center, i bet teams would prefer Byram who has a higher upside instead.

If we are looking for centers, a guy like Dubois is much more realistic.

 

[redacted]

Ehhhhhh, Stone is a better player, he’s just not a C.

Stone is a better player, but he isn’t better defensively. Danault is the best purely defensive center in the league.

I don't think Girard can return an elite center, i bet teams would prefer Byram who has a higher upside instead.

If we are looking for centers, a guy like Dubois is much more realistic.

If he can’t, keep him. I don’t think Byram is untouchable. Expensive, not untouchable.

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

I don't think Girard can return an elite center, i bet teams would prefer Byram who has a higher upside instead.

If we are looking for centers, a guy like Dubois is much more realistic.

If we are really targeting a 2C, Sean Couturier is my ideal choice. Face off guy, great possession metrics, scores goals and drives scoring, last year's Selke winner. Assuming he even realistically becomes available.

 

[Hasbro]

Jordan Staal put up 16 goals and 38 points in a 3C role
Yanni Gourde put up 17goals and 38 points in a 3C role
Jean Gabriel Pageau put up 14 goals and 28 points in a 3C role

Jost is far off contending level production at 3C. He might be able to get there and that jump is in the realm of possibility... but he's not there and that is an issue on this team.

The Avalanche won the President’s Trophy. I don’t know how much more scoring they needed from Jost in the regular season.

.5ppg on the 3rd line in the playoffs is nothing to sneeze at and let’s not forget he knocked Bortuzzo out of the series. Unless I dreamed a 5’11” man getting the better of a 6’4” knuckle dragger. It beggars belief!

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

If the Avs move Kadri, I’d 100% be down for an offensively inept second line of Jost-Danault-Nuke just for the defensive pressure. Throw together a 3rd line with Newhook and Bura as the main pieces and some new version of Bura as the third member of that line

 

[Iceberg]

If he can’t, keep him. I don’t think Byram is untouchable. Expensive, not untouchable.

I disagree, i don't think an elite center should be the only acceptable return for Girard, i think a low end #1C in it's mid 20's with some term left would be just fine.

And i'd would rather have Byram long term.