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Definitely not arguing against that possibility. The playoffs...against VGK in Vegas, isn't a good barometer. IMO.
I think he starts the year with the big club, though.
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Definitely not arguing against that possibility. The playoffs...against VGK in Vegas, isn't a good barometer. IMO.
I think he starts the year with the big club, though.
dahrougem2
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At this point I'm starting to think this version of the Avs is not going to cut it. Expose Burakovsky, re-sign Saad for the money you give Burakovsky and if Bura isn't picked by Seattle, ship him out for whatever you get. He's the ultimate regular season player. Ditto Donskoi.
Tyson Jost can stay but only if he's the 4th line centre getting 8-10 minutes per game max and killing penalties, and surrounded by two big wingers.
Lastly... Sammy Girard has to go. Probably an amazing teammate and an excellent regular season defensemen but this is now four playoffs in a row where he has been awful. He's gotten beaten up and bullied vs Nashville, San Jose, Dallas and now Vegas. I don't know if you move him for a different type of defensemen or if you move him to shore up the 2C position (and get Kadri's unreliable ass out of here) but I think this summer you take advantage of his amazing contract and look to upgrade the team in a different way.
Tyson Jost can stay but only if he's the 4th line centre getting 8-10 minutes per game max and killing penalties, and surrounded by two big wingers.
Lastly... Sammy Girard has to go. Probably an amazing teammate and an excellent regular season defensemen but this is now four playoffs in a row where he has been awful. He's gotten beaten up and bullied vs Nashville, San Jose, Dallas and now Vegas. I don't know if you move him for a different type of defensemen or if you move him to shore up the 2C position (and get Kadri's unreliable ass out of here) but I think this summer you take advantage of his amazing contract and look to upgrade the team in a different way.
Typically you want to improve the team during the deadline. Sakic went out his way to make it worse, while giving up assets.
Nemeth is basically Brad Stuart redux. With the added benefit of Nemeth of actually playing in important games. Unbelievable.
Nemeth is basically Brad Stuart redux. With the added benefit of Nemeth of actually playing in important games. Unbelievable.
I don't know why you're singling out Jost, he's been at least bringing energy and effort to the team. He's not a #2C, but i'm perfectly comfortable with him as our #3C for now. I'd look at moving a few of Burakovsky, Donskoi, Compher, and Graves before even looking at upgrading our #3C spot. Not to mention, Jost has shown improvement in every single year. We also can't afford to spend $4-5
I'm willing to give G more time, simply because his skillset fits the Avs perfectly. With that being said, both Girard and Makar need to figure out their shit in the postseason, because they're nowhere near as dominant. The last thing we need to do is anything rash, and IMO moving Girard in a less than ideal scenario is how you destroy a good thing. We still have Byram coming along, and if he can hit his potential and be that rock on the backend, we'll be able to still use Girard to match-up against lesser lines and not rely on him so heavily.
I'd give our core another 1-2 years, depending on how far we make it next postseason. If they still can't make it to the Cup finals, then you start entertaining offers for Girard as a shake-up.
dahrougem2
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God bless Jost and his work ethic on the ice but he's as 4th line as they come. He was on pace for even less points this season than he was last season, and we all lauded his efforts in the second half of this season as being arguably the best hockey of his career.
He can stay, but only as a replacement for Bellemare as the 4th line centre. He cannot play higher than that. Trying that - again - is like trying to force Compher at centre again and again. It's not going to work.
With Girard, I've seen enough. We've got Makar, we've got Toews and we've got Byram coming up. Girard's contract is fantastic, and he's a fantastic defensemen in the regular season. Find a team willing to make a "hockey trade" so that we can improve our club in other areas of the game by using Girard. But I'm sick of seeing his play turn to crap every single playoffs.
dahrougem2
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Players in order of team they play on that I would target to try and improve this hockey club over the summer:
Lawson Crouse - Arizona
Jack Eichel - Buffalo (perhaps this could be the basis of a Girard package)
Elias Lindholm - Calgary
Seth Jones - Columbus
Radek Faksa/Roope Hintz - Dallas
Miles Wood/Jesper Bratt - New Jersey
Travis Konecny - Philadelphia
Tomas Hertl - San Jose
Tyler Motte - Vancouver
Each one has his own specific cost, with Eichel and Jones likely costing the most, Lindholm and Hertl coming in not too far behind, then Konecny/Hintz, then the rest.
But I'm sick of this team getting pushed around every year in the 2nd round. Enough is enough.
Lawson Crouse - Arizona
Jack Eichel - Buffalo (perhaps this could be the basis of a Girard package)
Elias Lindholm - Calgary
Seth Jones - Columbus
Radek Faksa/Roope Hintz - Dallas
Miles Wood/Jesper Bratt - New Jersey
Travis Konecny - Philadelphia
Tomas Hertl - San Jose
Tyler Motte - Vancouver
Each one has his own specific cost, with Eichel and Jones likely costing the most, Lindholm and Hertl coming in not too far behind, then Konecny/Hintz, then the rest.
But I'm sick of this team getting pushed around every year in the 2nd round. Enough is enough.
Jost is good enough to play at least 3C, you're putting too much stock into regular season point totals. I think next season given more ice time, Jost will put up at least 30+, he's a lot more skilled than you give him credit for, he's learned to protect the puck well, has good puck skills, is a good passer and an underrated shot.
Girard had these same problems in the regular season too but people just glossed over them. People put too much stock into the 30+ points he put up, if anybody should be accused of benefiting from a great team around him it's him. Just look at how much he's getting exposed now playing next to Graves instead of EJ who babysat him and made him look a lot better than he actually was in his earlier seasons doing all the hard work on the boards and in front of the net. I'm honestly worried about his 5mil becoming unmoveable with more playoff performances like these, need to sell high and free up cap to re-sign Saad.
Girard had these same problems in the regular season too but people just glossed over them. People put too much stock into the 30+ points he put up, if anybody should be accused of benefiting from a great team around him it's him. Just look at how much he's getting exposed now playing next to Graves instead of EJ who babysat him and made him look a lot better than he actually was in his earlier seasons doing all the hard work on the boards and in front of the net. I'm honestly worried about his 5mil becoming unmoveable with more playoff performances like these, need to sell high and free up cap to re-sign Saad.
I think Jost isn't the problem if everybody play with hearth like him we don't play like yesterday.
I wrote last May 30 a message in which I proposed an exchange
Girard (whom I really appreciate) + Kadri + Barron or Helleson.
Very few agreed with me at the time and yet today I am even more convinced of it. Sometimes you have to overpay to get what you need. I will add Lawson Crouse ,Morgan Barron(Justin brother's)and Julien Gauthier instead of Donskoi and JTC
Girard (whom I really appreciate) + Kadri + Barron or Helleson.
Very few agreed with me at the time and yet today I am even more convinced of it. Sometimes you have to overpay to get what you need. I will add Lawson Crouse ,Morgan Barron(Justin brother's)and Julien Gauthier instead of Donskoi and JTC
Did you see the last 3 games. We need to be bigger on 3rd and 4th line. Gauthier will come a good scorer the next few years.
The big guys always do. He's already been dumped by the Canes. It's Lawson Crouse all over again.
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Just resign Saad and get Coleman in UFA. Sakic can make the cap work.
The thing is we still need to make the playoffs and this version of the Avs is the best I the league.
We lost 2 to Vegas infront of 18,000 fans after winning 6 straight. We may need to tweak the roster and get some more size on the bottom half but this is a team that can beat anyone.
SoundwaveIsCharisma
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It’s not the size, it’s the mentality. People seem to forget Burakovsky is a big guy, he just doesn’t play that way. Nemeth and Graves are getting abused, they are big guys.
It doesn’t matter if you are 6’8” if you play like you are 5’5”.
We need more players that fit the style of this team, but can contribute outside of providing offense. The fact that half of the forwards on this team are either streaky or just completely pointless is a major reason why we are getting spanked.
The Blues were big and they couldn’t contain the Avs. Vegas is beating the tar out of the Avs with relentless pressure, not with overwhelming size or physicality. A big part of that is because there is a good chunk of the game where our useless forwards are paraded out there to do nothing but get hemmed in.
Tyson Jost is the least of our problems, but I agree, try hard, defensively sound hockey doesn't play up to a 2nd line center but to be fair he has only had to do that because we don't have anyone producing at that level, Kadri wasn't even when he was in. Jost is not that far off from 3rd line center production, but yes ideally on a team with cup aspirations he should be the 4th line center and a good PK guy. Problem is that we need Bellmare because of some other skill sets he brings.
Also to be fair a number of 2Cs get PP1 time and he's never gotten an extended look there to see if he can bring up his overall production.
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Jordan Staal put up 16 goals and 38 points in a 3C role
Yanni Gourde put up 17goals and 38 points in a 3C role
Jean Gabriel Pageau put up 14 goals and 28 points in a 3C role
Jost is far off contending level production at 3C. He might be able to get there and that jump is in the realm of possibility... but he's not there and that is an issue on this team.
This is a start but we definitely need guys like Saad for cup runs and we should try to hold on to him. TB will almost assuredly not be able to fit Coleman or Goodrow so they should make it to FA.
These are spot on. We should identify the players who do well in playoffs, keep the ones who perform and throw away the ones who are not fit to perform.
Bura is obvious one and we can get some value back for him. Girard is interesting one. Maybe trade Girard for Jones? Columbus could bite.
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Makar has easily been better than Girard, but he still hasn't been great. If Makar is going to be making $9-10 mil, he needs to be better than he is right now.
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