Rumor: 2020-21 Trade Rumours and FA Part VIII: Intra-Playoff Edition?

[Northern Avs Fan]

Makar has easily been better than Girard, but he still hasn't been great. If Makar is going to be making $9-10 mil, he needs to be better than he is right now.

Eh, I’d still pay him that on 8 years without hesitation. His play overall in the playoffs has been excellent thus far in his career.

Same with MacKinnon. Great playoff performer, but has been bad the last couple games. It doesn’t mean I wouldn’t pay him what he’s worth when it’s time for his extension.

 

[Pokecheque]

Jordan Staal put up 16 goals and 38 points in a 3C role
Yanni Gourde put up 17goals and 38 points in a 3C role
Jean Gabriel Pageau put up 14 goals and 28 points in a 3C role

Jost is far off contending level production at 3C. He might be able to get there and that jump is in the realm of possibility... but he's not there and that is an issue on this team.

I mean, it was kinda encapsulated in that breakaway chance. Who here thought he was gonna put that in the net? I certainly didn't. He just doesn't have the finish, the shot, and he also couldn't generate nearly enough speed to garner some more separation from Pietrangelo.

The thing he did in the regular season was create turnovers in the attacking zone and provide defensive support at the other end. Neither of those things are happening right now. You pointed out that Jost had most of his best games against weak competition, his games against teams like this and St. Louis were not great. Now that we're in postseason, that particular weakness is being exposed.

I think Jost isn't the problem if everybody play with hearth like him we don't play like yesterday.

No, "hearth" doesn't matter if you're getting ragdolled in the defensive zone. This isn't necessarily a heart question--Avs just aren't getting enough out of depth players and that means when the top guys are neutralized like they are right now, they have nothing. We'll see if the coaches can make adjustments for game 5 but...it ain't lookin' good.

 

[Peter Peckerwood]

No to Eichel. No interest in making the Avs into Toronto or Edmonton.

 

[AvsFanInMichigan]

Could the Avalanche Pursue Seth Jones?

 

[kl35ha]

Could the Avalanche Pursue Seth Jones?

Right now, I really want to replace G with Jones. Not sure how to make it work but G isn’t made for a long tough physical playoffs run. Many already look exhausted from VGK forecheck pressure.

Saad was a good pick up probably should try to replace some of our players that have strong mental strength like Saad.

 

[Pokecheque]

God, if the Avs flip their best all-around defenseman and best value contract outside of MacKinnon for a soon-to-be unrestricted Seth Jones, I might just stop watching them.

Could they flip Byram for Jones? Maybe, that's more plausible, because if Jones is serious about testing the market then that's still just a rental.

 

[Avsboy]

Jones would want to re-sign in his hometown

 

[dahrougem2]

God, if the Avs flip their best all-around defenseman and best value contract outside of MacKinnon for a soon-to-be unrestricted Seth Jones, I might just stop watching them.

Could they flip Byram for Jones? Maybe, that's more plausible, because if Jones is serious about testing the market then that's still just a rental.

If it helped this team win a Stanley Cup then I don't give a **** if he walks as a UFA

 

[Peter Peckerwood]

God, if the Avs flip their best all-around defenseman and best value contract outside of MacKinnon for a soon-to-be unrestricted Seth Jones, I might just stop watching them.

Could they flip Byram for Jones? Maybe, that's more plausible, because if Jones is serious about testing the market then that's still just a rental.

Fully agree..wouldn't move anyone or anything for Jones because of the salary he'll command.

 

[Pokecheque]

Jones would want to re-sign in his hometown

You don't know that.

 

[Peter Peckerwood]

If it helped this team win a Stanley Cup then I don't give a **** if he walks as a UFA

There's other defenseman who can do that. Toews comes to mind and came out of nowhere.

 

[Pokecheque]

Fully agree..wouldn't move anyone or anything for Jones because of the salary he'll command.

Yep, but that's why I'm saying Sakic would go into it knowing it'd just be a one-year rental, pretty similar to what the Raptors did with Kawhi. Obviously THAT rental worked out perfectly, not so sure it'd work for the Avs. I think they have other issues they need to address outside of this.

 

[Peter Peckerwood]

Yep, but that's why I'm saying Sakic would go into it knowing it'd just be a one-year rental, pretty similar to what the Raptors did with Kawhi. Obviously THAT rental worked out perfectly, not so sure it'd work for the Avs. I think they have other issues they need to address outside of this.

Yeah, of any position group, defense has the best chance of filling internally.
On O:
Ranta may be a 3rd liner. Newhook 2nd or 3rd line..maybe C. Foudy is the size of guy who will not stand up to teams like VGK, right?

 

[Alex Jones]

Jones would want to re-sign in his hometown

He's a dead things fan.

 

[Iceberg]

God, if the Avs flip their best all-around defenseman and best value contract outside of MacKinnon for a soon-to-be unrestricted Seth Jones, I might just stop watching them.

Could they flip Byram for Jones? Maybe, that's more plausible, because if Jones is serious about testing the market then that's still just a rental.

It would be stupid for Sakic to trade either Girard or Byram for Jones without an extension in place.

CBJ will probably allow teams to negotiate an extension with Jones to maximize their return.

Doubt Sakic would be interested either way.

 

[Iceberg]

He's a dead things fan.

So was Landeskog and he is our captain.

 

[Balthazar]

Sammy Girard has to go. Probably an amazing teammate and an excellent regular season defensemen but this is now four playoffs in a row where he has been awful.

Pains me to admit it but he's not built for the playoffs. At least not on a team like the Avs that can't give him enough protection to be comfortable to play his game.

I imagine he'd have a tremendous value on the market with his contract. I'd want a young 2c back, nothing less.

Someone like Dubois who's not doing well in Winnipeg, perhaps.

 

[WhatsInAName]

While the Avs are immensely skilled, the last few playoffs have shown that they need more size and toughness to allow their skilled players to shine. Physical, grinding hockey is the Avs kryptonite and they need more roster balance to be able to play any type of hockey, the way that Tampa has been built to play any style.

This is what I'd try to do in the offseason, hoping that Landeskog, Grubauer, Saad, and Makar (on a bridge) are willing to take a little less than what they can get on the open market.

Trading Girard is the key to the offseason as you need him to either acquire a top second line center or an all-around defenceman that can play in all three zones.

Assuming Hampus Lindholm does not want to resign in Anaheim, I would trade Girard, Compher for Lindholm. Lindholm is the better all-around player but Girard is on a sweetheart deal for 6 more years and would be a tremendous get for a pending UFA. Dumping Compher offsets some of the difference. Of course, you only do this is you're confident Lindholm would re-sign.

Lose Graves to expansion
Trade Donskoi, Timmins, and a 1st rounder for Faksa
Sign Armia for his size, board battles, puck protection, defense, and adequate speed and shot. Let him do the dirty work on the 1st line and allow Mikko to elevate the quality of the second line, giving Kadri and Burakovsky the playmaker they need.
Sign Oleksiak to be what Graves and Nemeth are supposed to be.
Buy-out EJ and then re-sign him for 4 years at 1 million, effectively spreading out the 12 million he is supposed to make over 4 years instead of 2.

Projected team would be:

Landeskog (7); MacKinnon (6.3); Armia (3)
Burakovsky (4.9); Kadri (4.5); Rantanen (9.25)
Newhook (900k); Faksa (3.25); Saad (4.25)
Nichushkin (2.5); Jost (2); O'Connor (725)

Lindholm (5.2); Makar (8)
Toews (4.1); Johnson (3)
Byram (894k); Oleksiak (2)
Veteran UFA or MacDonald (1 million)

Grubauer (5.75)
Francouz (2)

This would be a fast, skilled, physical, well-balanced team that can play up and down or grind-it-out hockey. Looking at the long-term, Burakovsky would be replaced by Santa and his cap space can be used to give MacKinnon his raise. Barron and Helleson should be groomed to replace Toews and Johnson and the cap savings can be used to pay Byram.

 

[shadow1]

Trading for Jones doesn't make sense on so many levels.

I expect a big off-season from the Avs, but in the form of shrewd moves to re-tool the bottom-9 forward group. Bellemare, Calvert (RIP), and Saad are UFAs; Burakovsky and Kadri are a year away from being the same.

Anecdotal evidence but Sakic recently traded away Kerfoot/Zadorov when they were RFA's and Barrie/Soderberg when they had a year left on their deals. I could see a similar fate for Burakovsky/Kadri, considering both have been no shows (literally in one case...) this post-season.

 

[sethro109]

Expose Bura, Trade JTC, Graves, (add a pick if we have to) then re-sign Saad Landy and Gru. Bo, Barron and Timmy are ready to make the jump and MacD is a good 6th option. Timmy, Bo and Toews will have to learn the PK, but our team should be a lot better with them on the back end over Graves and Nemeth. Saad is an easy option to keep over Bura. I like Bura, but he's wildly inconsistent and a head case.

 

[Chiarelli]

Girard + Kadri for Eichel

 

[Avsboy]

Girard + Kadri for Eichel

You'll need to add. Throw in Bura and 1 st.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Girard + Kadri for Eichel

Now that Buffalo won the 1st pick and will take Power, I think the Avs are out of the running for Eichel.

Buffalo will be looking for forward help imo and the Avs don’t have the trade assets at forward to get it done.

 

[redacted]

Now that Buffalo won the 1st pick and will take Power, I think the Avs are out of the running for Eichel.

Buffalo will be looking for forward help imo and the Avs don’t have the trade assets at forward to get it done.

Jost + 2nd

 

[JH21]

Girard + Kadri for Eichel

Nah. We don't need to be the Leafs.

The key to winning in the playoffs is depth.