2020/21 Roster Thread IV: A New Hope

[deadhead]

Provorov's real problem is he doesn't have a suitable partner.

Sanheim is not a good fit and he belongs with Myers.
Niskanen was perfect, but we're not allowed to have nice things.
Ghost might be OK if he can get his mojo back and play under control.

But after the ED, finding a partner for Provorov should be the top priority, not a f----g sniper!
Whether it's Zamula or a trade, not sure York would be the right fit, and doubt Attard or St Ivany are good enough to play top 4.

Get Provorov a suitable RHD and we're set for 5+ years.

 

[Striiker]

And "what he is" is a good top pair defensemen. That's not an insult at all, just liking saying he isn't a legit #1D isn't an insult.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Heiskanen, Makar, Hughes...? None of them?

 

[Striiker]

Heiskanen, Makar, Hughes...? None of them?

Do I have to post the list and make you look like a fool again?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Heiskanen, Makar, Hughes...? None of them?

I would easily take Werenski & McAvoy too.

 

[Rebels57]

Provorov's real problem is he doesn't have a suitable partner.

Sanheim is not a good fit and he belongs with Myers.
Niskanen was perfect, but we're not allowed to have nice things.
Ghost might be OK if he can get his mojo back and play under control.

But after the ED, finding a partner for Provorov should be the top priority, not a f----g sniper!
Whether it's Zamula or a trade, not sure York would be the right fit, and doubt Attard or St Ivany are good enough to play top 4.

Get Provorov a suitable RHD and we're set for 5+ years.

Myers is going to be the 1RD in due time. Sanheim can slide to the right with York of Zamula in time. We need a stop-gap Top 4 D. And fast.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Every time with this. No one thinks he's a bad player or is unhappy to have him locked up.

Heiskanen, Makar, Hughes...? None of them?

Stop putting these ridiculous expectations on him. Also, I wouldn't trade him for any other young D on the planet. What was unclear about that?

 

[deadhead]

Myers is going to be the 1RD in due time. Sanheim can slide to the right with York of Zamula in time. We need a stop-gap Top 4 D. And fast.

I think Myers stays with Sanheim, they're perfect complements, Sanheim is our best offensive defenseman, Myers is our most physical defenseman and will be an elite defensive defenseman down the road as he improves his positioning. Why break them up - 1st and 2nd pair are arbitrary designations.

Provorov is more a mix of those two and could fit with different styles, the stay at home guy for a more offensive minded D-man like Ghost, or a guy who attacks the zone with a more conservative partner like Niskanen.

I'd have to see York on his right side before I'd commit to that, same with Zamula.
I think both could carry Attard on the 3rd pair which would be interesting match.

 

[TCTC]

I think Myers stays with Sanheim, they're perfect complements, Sanheim is our best offensive defenseman, Myers is our most physical defenseman and will be an elite defensive defenseman down the road as he improves his positioning. Why break them up - 1st and 2nd pair are arbitrary designations.

Provorov is more a mix of those two and could fit with different styles, the stay at home guy for a more offensive minded D-man like Ghost, or a guy who attacks the zone with a more conservative partner like Niskanen.

I'd have to see York on his right side before I'd commit to that, same with Zamula.
I think both could carry Attard on the 3rd pair which would be interesting match.

The top pair will always get the tougher assignments and more minutes. I prefer the D top heavy. The best RHD should be on the top pair. Whether that's Myers or someone we sign/acquire.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Every time with this. No one thinks he's a bad player or is unhappy to have him locked up.



Stop putting these ridiculous expectations on him. Also, I wouldn't trade him for any other young D on the planet. What was unclear about that?

I don’t even care particularly what other fans think. I care more that the decision makers believe it too. As they’re the ones shoe horning Provorov into every situation to the max which does the player nor the team any favors.

The Flyers would actually be better if they actually built legitimately good defensive depth (stop trotting the Hagg’s of the world out there every season) & used a balanced group #1-6 & admitted Provorov isn’t particularly good on the PP.

 

[Magua]

Sanheim averages 18:45 to Provorov’s 19:25 at 5v5. Maybe 1 shift difference. Labels give me ulcers.

If Provorov is the de facto offensive defenseman on his pair, I think it’s dead on arrival — relative to expectation and teammate usage. Myers and Provorov might not make a scoring chance pass in the offensive zone together.

 

[Striiker]

I don’t care if this is considered a hot take but Myers is going to end up being the next Provorov around here, as far as exaggerations and overrating goes. Which is also not an insult to him, but instead another case of fans being a little overly optimistic.

I’ve seen quite a few people saying they think he’ll be the best of our D and/or trying to force him onto that top pair with Provorov. He has flaws that I doubt are simply matters of experience and, while they could improve, are likely always going to be relatively weak points in his game. For example, his puck moving hasn't impressed me in either the AHL or NHL and I don’t think he has all that much offensive creativity or potential.

And unfortunately I guess I need to explicitly state that I also do not hate Myers and I actually like him a lot. I was calling for him to be up for a very long time before he finally was.

 

[deadhead]

It's a matter of balance, Sanheim will never be strong enough to be a dominant defensive defenseman, he has to rely on his speed and stick because he can be pushed off the puck and will struggle to smother guys around his net. But he's the most skilled offensive defenseman - which is why you pair him with someone like Myers.

The idea is to have balanced pairs that are more than the sum of their talents.
And if you have two pairs that can dominate at 5x5, you can limit the minutes of your third pair, and choose them partially for their ST prowess as much as their 5x5 play.

 

[Striiker]

Once Ghost and Myers are back we're going to have by far the strongest top 4 we've had in a very long time.

Provorov-Ghost
Sanheim-Myers
...would be perfect. Two pairs without any dogshit players that need to be carried.

And, since this is us, I'm sure something will happen to prevent it from happening, coming in the form of a dinosaur in a suit or injury problems.

 

[DancingPanther]

Heiskanen, Makar, Hughes...? None of them?

Don't forget Seth Jones, the NHL's top defenseman

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Sanheim averages 18:45 to Provorov’s 19:25 at 5v5. Maybe 1 shift difference. Labels give me ulcers.

Arguagly tougher QoC for Sanheim too. I don't think that makes a huge point in his favor, but some will. Or should.

But yes, labels are outdated. We have the information necessary to describe usage with some nuance now.

 

[Tripod]

If Ghost plays well, we lose him in expansion.

If Ghost plays poorly, he will never get a top 4 opportunity again with us.

Either way, next year are going to need a top 4 Dman via trade/signing

Then slide Zamula to the right side and let York-Zamula develop chemistry as a pairing for the next decade.

 

[CapnZin]

Why don’t we try (when everyone is healthy):

Lindblom - Couturier - TK
Giroux - Patrick - Voracek
Frost - Hayes - Farabee
JVR - Laughton - NAK
Raffl

Sanheim - Myers
Provorov - Ghost
Zamula - Braun
Friedman
...
...
...
Gus
...
...
...
Hagg?

 

[Striiker]

Why don’t we try (when everyone is healthy):

Lindblom - Couturier - TK
Giroux - Patrick - Voracek
JVR- Frost- Farabee
Laughton- Hayes- NAK
Raffl

Sanheim - Myers
Provorov - Ghost
Zamula - Friedman
Braun
...
...
...
Gus
...
...
...
Hagg?

I'd make minor tweaks, as seen above in bold

Also, bonus points for pair list order.

 

[CapnZin]

I'd make minor tweaks, as seen above in bold

Also, bonus points for pair list order.

I like yours. Only thing, I’d be a little hesitant to switch Braun and Friedman. I would let Braun play himself out of the bottom pair. He’s actually decent when utilized that way. I would like to see who would play into the pair between Zamula and Friedman. Gus and Hagg need to be as far away from this team as possible.

 

[phil162888]

People are expecting too much from Provorov. No, he’s not Lidstrom, Pronger or Hedman. However he is a young guy who is still learning his craft and doing it with little help. He’s been put on the top pair and expected to carry it at his age/experience. That’s almost unfair.
We want too much out of our defensemen. What criticism Provorov is facing is similar to what Desjardins faced when he was here. He’s probably not a Norris winner but he’s damn good for up to 30 minutes a night. I wouldn’t swap him out for Werenski, Jones or any other young d-man in the game. Sit back and enjoy what he is,

He is one of the best young dman no doubt... Seth Jones is a stud though. We should do everything we can to land him this off season. There is a number of great young defencemen and Provorov is in that class (no matter what some say). He is a legit #1 Dman.. Is he top 10 in the league no but he's definitely in the top 30 which clearly makes him a #1 Dman. People mix up #1 Dman with Norris trophy winners (big difference)

 

[Striiker]

I like yours. Only thing, I’d be a little hesitant to switch Braun and Friedman. I would let Braun play himself out of the bottom pair. He’s actually decent when utilized that way. I would like to see who would play into the pair between Zamula and Friedman. Gus and Hagg need to be as far away from this team as possible.

Understandable. I’m just so sick of Braun and Hagg that I’m eager to never hear their names again

Im not even that high on Friedman... I just have no faith in the cement hand duo.

 

[phil162888]

Once Ghost and Myers are back we're going to have by far the strongest top 4 we've had in a very long time.

Provorov-Ghost
Sanheim-Myers
...would be perfect. Two pairs without any dogshit players that need to be carried.

And, since this is us, I'm sure something will happen to prevent it from happening, coming in the form of a dinosaur in a suit or injury problems.

We all agree we need Ghost to get back to form. This would be a game changer if he can for this team

 

[Tripod]

I'd make minor tweaks, as seen above in bold

Also, bonus points for pair list order.

Except your 4th line would get 2nd line minutes

 

[Tripod]

Also: Philadelphia Flyers @ NHL - 2020‑2021 Stats