2020/21 Roster Thread IV: A New Hope

[Striiker]

He is not playing. Not even on the roster.

Giroux-Patrick-Konecny

is the line.

Patrick had a semi-maintenance day.

I love that line. Giroux with two guys who can finish.

In theory, it's great. Hopefully they can make some magic happen because if I'm going to have to watch this disaster then I at least want to see some goals.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The Braun, Thompson, and Grant trades were all terrible.

Thompson and Grant alone were major disasters. Two trades that, alone, were minor. But then their combined impact nuked the bottom six.

 

[Striiker]

Thompson and Grant alone were major disasters. Two trades that, alone, were minor. But then their combined impact nuked the bottom six.

Yup. I said it at the time of the trade, we gave up assets to make the roster worse.

And to make matters worse, he ends up being disgustingly overused. This was at the end of regulation of an elimination playoff game.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

The Flyers should honestly just nuke their pro scouting staff at this point. A lot of them been here forever under the multiple GM’s & the game has past all of them by given the constant poor additions at the NHL level this franchise makes which pretty much usually always is a similar archetype.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The Flyers should honestly just nuke their pro scouting staff at this point. A lot of them been here forever under the multiple GM’s & the game has past all of them by given the constant poor additions at the NHL level this franchise makes which pretty much usually always is a similar archetype.

Please and thank you, desperately.

 

[deadhead]

How can a 4th and 5th rd trade be terrible?
And Braun served his purpose.

Grant actually was a solid 3rd line scorer the last two years.
340 forwards who played 1000+ 5x5 minutes the last two years.
Thompson was 271st out of 340 forwards in xGF, 324 in xGFrel, 331 in pp/60.
Grant was 317th in xGF, 322 in xGFrel, but also 218th in pp/60.

Were they good forwards, no, a Pageau cost a 1st and 2nd rd pick, you overpay at the TDL.
They were serviceable bodies, better and more experienced than Andreoff or Twarynski.

 

[Appleyard]

One of the few analysts who does a great job breaking down systems, tactics etc...

interesting stats.

Flyers are:

2nd in NHL in Controlled Entry Success rate: 62.2%.
5th in NHL in shot generation from the slot on rushes.
12th in NHL in creating odd-man rushes.

Throw that alongside:

3rd in NHL in % of shots that are high danger.
24th in NHL in ExGF/60


And what do we have?

Gooood in the zone. Good at getting in the zone when have a chance. But never there.

Why could that be?

 

[Curufinwe]

Thompson and Grant were duds, but the overplaying of them right up till the end of the playoffs was the coach's fault.

His trades have been mostly around the margins for now. The Niskanen trade was great value. Other than that, they've been ok.

I'm curious about his trades when it's time to be bold.

And by curious, I mean scared shitless.

The Hayes acquisition was bold.

 

[Appleyard]

Also, ofc, would like to know the % of times they are dumping... which might play into it as well...

 

[DancingPanther]

 

[DancingPanther]

Also, ofc, would like to know the % of times they are dumping... which might play into it as well...

Boy do I have the chart for you buddy

This is only the last 2 games but yeah. 55% dump ins at a 24% success rate

 

[Appleyard]

Boy do I have the chart for you buddy

This is only the last 2 games but yeah. 55% dump ins at a 24% success rate

Pretty good dump succes rate too for dumps...

I guess a lack of relative zone entry attempts is the problem for sure.

Only 20 entries in TWO games from breakouts. What.

 

[Asnito]

Boy do I have the chart for you buddy

This is only the last 2 games but yeah. 55% dump ins at a 24% success rate

Is that bad? Do we want that?

 

[DancingPanther]

Pretty good dump succes rate too for dumps...

I guess a lack of relative zone entry attempts is the problem for sure.

Only 20 entries in TWO games from breakouts. What.

Yup. From what I've seen, anyway. Maybe I'm being a little too strict with what a "breakout" is, but I'm not counting the patented almost-two-line-pass a breakout. The ol rim-around-the-boards-and-hope-the-winger-snags-it-and-skates-it-out-on-a-2-on-4 isn't being counted as a breakout either. Basically, any prayer play isn't counted as a breakout, which are most exits

 

[Appleyard]

Yup. From what I've seen, anyway. Maybe I'm being a little too strict with what a "breakout" is, but I'm not counting the patented almost-two-line-pass a breakout. The ol rim-around-the-boards-and-hope-the-winger-snags-it-and-skates-it-out-on-a-2-on-4 isn't being counted as a breakout either. Basically, any prayer play isn't counted as a breakout, which are most exits

So basically:

The way they are playing it is like the NHL re-introduced the red-line and the two-line pass... but only for the Flyers ahaha.

 

[DancingPanther]

Is that bad? Do we want that?

Controlled entry % is scary good. Dump recovery is just about league average (shade below actually but yeah). So we do actually kind of want this. The prevalence of each should be flipped. Also, need moar breakouts. Which will lead to more controlled entries

 

[Asnito]

Controlled entry % is scary good. Dump recovery is just about league average (shade below actually but yeah). So we do actually kind of want this. The prevalence of each should be flipped. Also, need moar breakouts. Which will lead to more controlled entries

I was being facetious. This team has been a chore to watch since the season was suspended.

 

[ajgoal]

Controlled entry % is scary good. Dump recovery is just about league average (shade below actually but yeah). So we do actually kind of want this. The prevalence of each should be flipped. Also, need moar breakouts. Which will lead to more controlled entries

See, this is what I'm here for. Seriously.

 

[DancingPanther]

I was being facetious. This team has been a chore to watch since the season was suspended.

Amen to that brother

 

[BiggE]

Oh f***... nevermind, I'm coming back @Starat327

 

[Beef Invictus]

How can a 4th and 5th rd trade be terrible?
And Braun served his purpose.

Grant actually was a solid 3rd line scorer the last two years.
340 forwards who played 1000+ 5x5 minutes the last two years.
Thompson was 271st out of 340 forwards in xGF, 324 in xGFrel, 331 in pp/60.
Grant was 317th in xGF, 322 in xGFrel, but also 218th in pp/60.

Were they good forwards, no, a Pageau cost a 1st and 2nd rd pick, you overpay at the TDL.
They were serviceable bodies, better and more experienced than Andreoff or Twarynski.

If the trade makes the team drastically worse then it is terrible no matter what gets traded.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Is that bad? Do we want that?

If we convince the management it is bad they will want it.

Let's do it.

 

[Striiker]

One of the few analysts who does a great job breaking down systems, tactics etc...

interesting stats.

Flyers are:

2nd in NHL in Controlled Entry Success rate: 62.2%.
5th in NHL in shot generation from the slot on rushes.
12th in NHL in creating odd-man rushes.

Throw that alongside:

3rd in NHL in % of shots that are high danger.
24th in NHL in ExGF/60


And what do we have?

Gooood in the zone. Good at getting in the zone when have a chance. But never there.

Why could that be?

An ex-player who understands and uses analytics? That's rare. Especially since he was really poor analytically when he played.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

i wonder what excuse AV is going to come up to not play Ghost yet again.

 

[renberg]

People are expecting too much from Provorov. No, he’s not Lidstrom, Pronger or Hedman. However he is a young guy who is still learning his craft and doing it with little help. He’s been put on the top pair and expected to carry it at his age/experience. That’s almost unfair.
We want too much out of our defensemen. What criticism Provorov is facing is similar to what Desjardins faced when he was here. He’s probably not a Norris winner but he’s damn good for up to 30 minutes a night. I wouldn’t swap him out for Werenski, Jones or any other young d-man in the game. Sit back and enjoy what he is,