Speculation: 2020-21 News/Rumors/Roster Thread

[Lt Dan]

That's some deep thoughts by Jack Handy there Lt Dan

by pass gas, I mean toot

 

[DoktorJeep]

Getting Sergachev would be a major move, but besides costing a ton and being highly unlikely, it may not be the year to do something huge with the roster. The team is more than one great player away from making the playoffs.

With everyone speculating that the kings would like to upgrade the D, I’d take a shot at TJ Brodie. He’s a UFA D who is left handed, has decent offensive numbers, can play 20 minutes a night, and has stayed relatively healthy over his career. His history as Gio’s partner makes you think he could play with Drew on his natural side.

Some downsides are that he just turned 30 years old and he makes $4.65M, so there is a lot of risk in signing him to a multi year contract. Given the Kings are in a rebuilding phase, you’d likely have to give him both dollars and years to outbid other teams. And with the lack of economic certainty, you may not be able to offer a bonus laden contract to improve the offer.

Still, for me, if it’s Edmundson for 4-5 years at $5.4M per vs Brodie for something similar, I’d prefer Brodie. Edmundson has never passed the eye test for me and he’s only been effective as a #5-6 D. It’s a big bet to overpay for him and expect him to help Doughty on a nightly basis. If he wasn’t 27 yo, I don’t think there would be as much hype about him.

 

[Token]

How the heck did we get on this big D upgrade signing?

If memory serves, the word on the street in Ottawa was the Kings were looking for a journeyman D just to provide experience on the blue line. You know, Hutton 2.0 or similar that can be there to let the kids rotate in-out as they get gassed or bumps n bruises.

And this was the talk before we knew how bad The Rona impact really is on revenue. Might not even happen with all the layoffs and whatnot at AEG.

 

[dman3474]

Cap space for the next couple of seasons will be insanely valuable, there will be teams in cap hell that we should capitalize on. If taking on a season or two of someone gets us picks and/or prospects ,and we can use them as a stopgap until our prospects are ready, that would be a great move.

St. Louis, Chicago, Toronto, are teams that are going to be up against the cap. Im sure there are more, have to take advantage.

 

[Stimpythecat]

Taking on a 30 year old Defenseman does not bother me.

Cup ages
Mitchell - 35, 37
Scuderi - 33
Greene -29, 31
Regehr - 34

What matters is AEG has to be hurting right now. If there is an internal cap (given all the cost cutting that seems very likely) then I would much rather save as much money as we can now so that cap gets removed sooner when the kings need to spend.

 

[Sparky206]

What about Shayne Gostisbehere? You could almost pick him up for future considerations with that cap hit and he is clearly on the outer at Philly

 

[deeshamrock]

What about Shayne Gostisbehere? You could almost pick him up for future considerations with that cap hit and he is clearly on the outer at Philly

I like GHost and think on a new team, given his speed and offensive skill, he'd be a good 2nd pairing d as long as he was paired with a solid, shutdown guy. And he has a good contract. He had clean up scope knee surgery (cartilege) this year and then the pandamic hit and didn't get the skating time in he needed. Defense not his strong suit but with the right partner, that would benefit his upside. He's got offense in him, and is very good on the PP, unlike Provy. He was a good PP QB, who had some vision, east and west, which Provy lacks. Flyers still determined to make Provy something he's not.

Ghost has been on the market for a couple years now and this will be the offseason he's dealt. Myers, Provy and Sandheim are 3 of their top 4 , Nisky will be gone after next. But Cam York , rumored to be thinking on not completing college, so he'd be turning pro, potentially, this year or next and would slot in there. Haag is a good 3 pairing guy ., Ghost has been on the outs , rotation wise, for awhile.

He needs a fresh start and the right slot, and he'll be fine. Price? Well this past winter, Fletcher was looking for a 2nd round pick or a young winger , 20 -25 goal scorer. There was a rumor he had been talking to a Canadian team in Jan , with a package that included Scott Laughton, for atop 6 winger. That fell thru. Laughton and JVR likelyu moved due to the space for Frost, Lindblom, Patrick (maybe, he's got the chronic migraine issue, future unclear) and Radcliffe. Much as I'd love to see Giroux and Voracek gone (no Cup run as long as they remain) they have bad paper and age issues. Hoping Voracek goes to Seatlle, either via draft or trade.

So it could be a good fit , in LA , if the price was right. GIven the number of young forwards on the Flyers , and in the system, I'd prefer a draft pick, But AV does not like developing youngsters and prefers 'veterans'. WHich is why a speedy, talented kid like Frost, isn't seeing the light of day. Fletcher thinks in the same line and likes keeping AV happy (See awful moves for Braun, Thomson and Grant) so I think if he can get a forward, he'll do that.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Ghost and Roy could be a perfect pairing.

 

[Stimpythecat]

What is everyone's thoughts on Krug? I don't watch Boston at all so I don't know his value or what contract he wants. I know he's 29 but that is still 2ish years younger than Doughty.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

What is everyone's thoughts on Krug? I don't watch Boston at all so I don't know his value or what contract he wants. I know he's 29 but that is still 2ish years younger than Doughty.

I think he will be too expensive otherwise I'd like him the most of all the dmen.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Krug is one of the most productive (and consistent) top pairing dmen in the league, and I think he's going to get in excess of $7M per year from a team looking for a #1-2 dman (like his hometown Detroit Red Wings).

He was a point shy of 50 this past season, which he surely would have hit without the interruption, and he's hit 50+ points in the previous three seasons as well. He's going to get a max term contract for sure.

 

[BigKing]

What is everyone's thoughts on Krug? I don't watch Boston at all so I don't know his value or what contract he wants. I know he's 29 but that is still 2ish years younger than Doughty.

I like his moxie. Smaller dude but plays big.

Would be a great addition to this team but the timing isn't right and he is going to want that real long-term cheddar. I'd rather keep the powder dry for when Blake can hopefully package some of these prospects/youth for a legit NHL'er that might be a bit younger and/or have better contract terms.

 

[Stimpythecat]

I figured it was a year too early and that he'd want 7 years.

 

[deeshamrock]

What is everyone's thoughts on Krug? I don't watch Boston at all so I don't know his value or what contract he wants. I know he's 29 but that is still 2ish years younger than Doughty.

Classy. I always liked him, think he's underrated. ONe of the most succesful undrafted players in recent history. He'll be a great #1 for ateam that has the bucks. Wings are his hometown team, that might be a fit. But the Rangers will also pay $$ and are a team on the rise. Habs, maybe. Most GM's are smart enough to realize just how good he is and how valuable that is in the NHL.

 

[regulate]

Pronman's organization talent 22 and under ratings are out on the Athletic, and he's bumped the Kings all the way down to #13 (since they don't have star NHL players 22 years and under like a lot of teams). Okay, I get that, but these are his prospect rankings for the Kings top 10.

1. Fagemo
2. Kaliyev
3. Turcotte
4. Vilardi
5. Bjornfot
6. Kupari
7. Madden
8. Lizotte
9. Thomas
10. Anderson-Dolan


Needless to say, he's being taken to the woodshed a bit for his Fagemo ranking which is befuddling at best and a bit bizarre.

 

[Docgonzo]

Taking on a 30 year old Defenseman does not bother me.

Cup ages
Mitchell - 35, 37
Scuderi - 33
Greene -29, 31
Regehr - 34

What matters is AEG has to be hurting right now. If there is an internal cap (given all the cost cutting that seems very likely) then I would much rather save as much money as we can now so that cap gets removed sooner when the kings need to spend.

Except this team isn’t close to where they were when they acquired those players. Instead think of more

Denis Gauthier
Randy Jones
Tom Pressing

 

[Stimpythecat]

true that the team is not a contender now but in 2-3 years the plan is the kings should be. And in 2-3 years a 30 year old defenseman would still be younger than all of the above mentioned players except for Greene.

Edit: Not saying I want the 30 year old player to be a top tier UFA, just that a reliable 30 year old defenseman would not scare me unless the term was insane. The players I listed above did not have insanely long contracts.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Bjornfot-Doughty
Gostisbehere-Roy
Edmundson-Walker
*Anderson/MacDermid

That would be fun.

Trading for Ghost wouldn't cost too much I'd imagine. Edmundson would probably sign here in LA for 2-3 years as well.

 

[Stimpythecat]

Ghost seems to be too much of a project for me. If the Kings are going to go that project route, I would rather the kings work with Clague, Andersen, and Björnfot. Plus sign Edmundson for 2 years as a stop gap for the expansion draft.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Another name that doesn't get talked about much is Braydon Coburn.

Veteran two-way LHD that put up 23 points just last year. Could probably be had cheap with all of Tampa's cap problems.

 

[Reaper45]

Another name that doesn't get talked about much is Braydon Coburn.

Veteran two-way LHD that put up 23 points just last year. Could probably be had cheap with all of Tampa's cap problems.

Now that's a name I haven't heard in sometime.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Now that's a name I haven't heard in sometime.

I hear he's finally living up to his potential with the Atlanta Thrashers.

 

[SFKingshomer]

Is Coburn still effective? I know Andy Greene is still good but those guys are old and want to stay in the East I'd imagine.

 

[AzKing]

Sergachev is 22. That matters. He will be around for the long haul. Also, the chances of drafting and developing Top 2 Dmen are not that great normally. It is the ultimate crap-shoot. Giving up a potential top 5 pick would hurt but look at what you are getting. The one thing that the Kings don't have in the system is what this guy is.

I read a Montreal perspective story on why they should go after him and it had some good points:

What Does Mikhail Sergachev Bring to the Table?

What the Canadiens would get in Sergachev is something they have been missing for years. A big, strong, puck-moving defenceman capable of playing top-pairing minutes and quarterbacking the power play. He boasts a large frame at 6’3”, 215 lbs and skates like the wind. Sergachev is not afraid to use this size and has a bit of a mean side to him. As was shown in his scrap with Habs captain Shea Weber.
Mikhail Sergachev’s development has been outstanding as he has dedicated the time to become a much more solid two-way defenceman. His evolving play earned him a major jump in ice time from 17:55 per game in 2018-19 to 20:22 per game in 2019-20. He saw time on both specialty teams and managed to contribute on both, scoring five of his career-high 10 goals on the powerplay and well as one shorthanded marker. Sergachev’s 34 points this season may not have topped his rookie scoring production, however, his offensive zone starts in his rookie season were at 70% compared to 54% now. This just shows Sergachev is now being trusted more in the defensive zone because he has developed into a better all-around player.
Advanced Stats

Sergachev’s advanced are outstanding as well. When looking at these advanced stats we looked at all NHL defenceman who played at least 500 minutes. Sergachev had an xGF/60 of 2.49 at even strength. Pretty average number overall but what really jumps out is his xGA/60. His number of 2.01 would sit him above any defenceman on the Canadiens roster and 13th in the entire NHL. His CorsiFor% is also outstanding with a number of 54.14. This sits him in 18th place.
Putting up these kinds of numbers at just 21 is outstanding. He’s just scratching the surface at this point. Sergachev has all the tools to become an elite defenceman.

Reacquiring Mikhail Sergachev is a Realistic Possibility for the Montreal Canadiens

 

[funky]

Sergachev is 22. That matters. He will be around for the long haul. Also, the chances of drafting and developing Top 2 Dmen are not that great normally. It is the ultimate crap-shoot. Giving up a potential top 5 pick would hurt but look at what you are getting. The one thing that the Kings don't have in the system is what this guy is.

I read a Montreal perspective story on why they should go after him and it had some good points:

What Does Mikhail Sergachev Bring to the Table?

What the Canadiens would get in Sergachev is something they have been missing for years. A big, strong, puck-moving defenceman capable of playing top-pairing minutes and quarterbacking the power play. He boasts a large frame at 6’3”, 215 lbs and skates like the wind. Sergachev is not afraid to use this size and has a bit of a mean side to him. As was shown in his scrap with Habs captain Shea Weber.
Mikhail Sergachev’s development has been outstanding as he has dedicated the time to become a much more solid two-way defenceman. His evolving play earned him a major jump in ice time from 17:55 per game in 2018-19 to 20:22 per game in 2019-20. He saw time on both specialty teams and managed to contribute on both, scoring five of his career-high 10 goals on the powerplay and well as one shorthanded marker. Sergachev’s 34 points this season may not have topped his rookie scoring production, however, his offensive zone starts in his rookie season were at 70% compared to 54% now. This just shows Sergachev is now being trusted more in the defensive zone because he has developed into a better all-around player.
Advanced Stats

Sergachev’s advanced are outstanding as well. When looking at these advanced stats we looked at all NHL defenceman who played at least 500 minutes. Sergachev had an xGF/60 of 2.49 at even strength. Pretty average number overall but what really jumps out is his xGA/60. His number of 2.01 would sit him above any defenceman on the Canadiens roster and 13th in the entire NHL. His CorsiFor% is also outstanding with a number of 54.14. This sits him in 18th place.
Putting up these kinds of numbers at just 21 is outstanding. He’s just scratching the surface at this point. Sergachev has all the tools to become an elite defenceman.

Reacquiring Mikhail Sergachev is a Realistic Possibility for the Montreal Canadiens

If I could target any one player in teh NHL this offseason it is this guy. He is already good, with pedigree and still getting better. Tampa is cap crunched with very little prospects. We are opposite. Get it done