Honestly I think any team acquiring him should be looking at him as a top 6 RW, and if needed a center.
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Honestly I think any team acquiring him should be looking at him as a top 6 RW, and if needed a center.
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Which is the part that's going to deter outsiders.
Prospects that aren't bluechip are going to be just 'average' and lost in the crowd here--we need to move some, not take some on.
Picks that aren't at least 1st or high 2nd are similar to above, though there's an argument to be made re: draft assets for trade.
Salary retention needs to come at an absolute premium.
I can't see a Carter trade that's fair to another team that takes the above into consideration. Asking a 1st is silly, but anything less does nothing for us and removes a useful veteran.
We're firmly into the "overpayment" portion of our rebuild. Petterson is interesting though but I can't see the pens moving him.
molon labe
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Either way. We have wings but not many of them get to that net front area [successfully..] and he seems to have a nose for it.
Our 3C has rotated often since the departure of Bonino. Blueger has been fantastic there this season but it would be nice to have all 4 C's solidified. At a glance I could see him as a great fit for Malkin's wing but I no longer guess at that (Kessel/Zucker were both supposed to be a fit for Sid and hardly ended up playing there...with Kessel on lines 2 and 3 and Zucker currently stapled to Malkin).
molon labe
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One of Pettersson or Dumo is going to have to go. Matheson is panning out better than expected (thank God - trading Hornqvist was stupid) - and POJ has cemented himself into an NHL regular. I'm in a slight minority who would rather move Pettersson than Dumoulin - but I think ownership shares my point of view. Pettersson is 5 years younger but Dumo is the more proven partner for Letang (and is a better player at this point). It also makes more sense to have Letang/Dumoulin - Marino/Matheson - Ceci/POJ than it does to move Pettersson into a top spot with Letang. Matheson is too offenseively minded to pair with Letang, POJ is a rookie, and Pettersson has not shown any chemistry with Letang (where Dumoulin has been stapled for a few years now).
I'd look at something like Pettersson for Carter (partial retention) and a mid pick. I know retention isn't popular but we're pretty tight on the cap and MP is a 2nd pairing LD who's locked in for 4.5 more years at 4M. He's got value (especially at 24 years old).
Ziggy Stardust
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Speaking of Carter...
That has to go down as the most important trade in Kings history. Like Goring to the Islanders, the Carter trade balanced out the lineup and gave the team a legit scoring threat who could play center, wing, special teams, etc.
That has to go down as the most important trade in Kings history. Like Goring to the Islanders, the Carter trade balanced out the lineup and gave the team a legit scoring threat who could play center, wing, special teams, etc.
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I get the feeling that the next move (trade) Blake makes is telling on where he feels this team is with the rebuild. I agree we shouldn't make a major spash but unloading some dead weight for picks is not a bad idea. Those picks can be used to send to Seattle so they stay off of Clague, Strand etc.. Vets shouldn't move right now, that will be a negative move. But Luff, Amadio, Frk I wouldn't mind moving.
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20. All of a sudden, it’s five wins in a row for Los Angeles. Vegas (.719 winning percentage) and Colorado (.633) are in an entertaining battle for No. 1 in the West, then there’s a developing race between St. Louis (.579) and three surprises: Minnesota (.600); the Kings (.559); and Arizona (.528). If Los Angeles stays in this, will they add?
“No, we’re going to stick with the plan,” GM Rob Blake said Sunday.
21. Dustin Brown, Drew Doughty and Anze Kopitar look re-energized.
“They’ve seen the light,” Blake said. “There was going to be no more trading away good players.”
The GM said Doughty saw the talent in their young defenceman, and, yes, is indeed motivated by being picked for the 2022 Olympic Team. Do you talk about that with him?
“All the time,” Blake answered.
Brown is tied for fifth in the NHL with 10 goals, five with the man advantage.
“I played for (coach) Todd (McLellan) in San Jose. I saw how good he is with the power play.”
The Kings have as big a prospect base as anyone in the NHL, and the GM thinks the key is at least one year in the AHL. Mikey Anderson, Jaret Anderson-Dolan, Tobias Bjornfot and Gabriel Vilardi all got that year; Carl Grundstrom had two. They won’t rush all those talented players.
20. All of a sudden, it’s five wins in a row for Los Angeles. Vegas (.719 winning percentage) and Colorado (.633) are in an entertaining battle for No. 1 in the West, then there’s a developing race between St. Louis (.579) and three surprises: Minnesota (.600); the Kings (.559); and Arizona (.528). If Los Angeles stays in this, will they add?
“No, we’re going to stick with the plan,” GM Rob Blake said Sunday.
21. Dustin Brown, Drew Doughty and Anze Kopitar look re-energized.
“They’ve seen the light,” Blake said. “There was going to be no more trading away good players.”
The GM said Doughty saw the talent in their young defenceman, and, yes, is indeed motivated by being picked for the 2022 Olympic Team. Do you talk about that with him?
“All the time,” Blake answered.
Brown is tied for fifth in the NHL with 10 goals, five with the man advantage.
“I played for (coach) Todd (McLellan) in San Jose. I saw how good he is with the power play.”
The Kings have as big a prospect base as anyone in the NHL, and the GM thinks the key is at least one year in the AHL. Mikey Anderson, Jaret Anderson-Dolan, Tobias Bjornfot and Gabriel Vilardi all got that year; Carl Grundstrom had two. They won’t rush all those talented players.
BringTheReign
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I f***ing love this. Who better to give Doughty perspective and motivation than the previous HOF defenseman to wear a Kings sweater? I think the answer about "no more trading away good players" is a big hint as to why Doughty had so many motivation issues as most of us here had guessed.
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Ziggy Stardust
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You have to wonder what position the team would’ve even been in had they not made that deal and Schenn and Simmonds stuck around. As you mentioned, they likely don’t pursue Carter, who knows if Terry Murray would’ve been fired, and in 2011-12, Simmonds and Schenn weren’t exactly going to be counted on to elevate a team into Cup contention.
The Kings would also still lose out on signing Brad Richards (and they dodged a bullet with that one), and they still would be struggling to score goals with the same exact roster.
Raccoon Jesus
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Man, the butterfly effect stuff makes me depressed for the multiverse Kings who don't have a Cup yet.
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cyclones22
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Both trades went down when I was on vacation. I was in Hawaii when Richards was acquired and I spent most of the day reading message boards here and reading news articles. Later that Summer I put in a bet in Vegas in for the Kings to win it all. I was actually in Vegas when Carter was traded to LA and was so excited, I was set to put in another bet with ridiculous odds that the Kings win the Cup. My family just finished a buffet dinner and I was heading to the sports book when I let myself be hurried out the casino by my family instead. That woulda been a nice secondary payout.
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Probably starts with Byfield, our 1st this year and a couple more pieces. Players like Eichel aren’t usually available at this age and term.
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If we trade for Eichel, we are locked into trying to win it with him. We'd need our wingers to develop at some point. Kupari, Kaliyev, Fagemo, Madden, Turcotte?, etc. these guys have all of one combined game of NHL experience.
I expect Byfield, a 1st, and 1 or 2 more players to be traded for Eichel.
I made a few posts about how I think it's too soon for a trade. A trade would cut down our options and locks us into a certain timeline. what happens if our center prospects (now traded) are the ones that live up to expectations and our wingers miss?
We need to see what we have.
I expect Byfield, a 1st, and 1 or 2 more players to be traded for Eichel.
I made a few posts about how I think it's too soon for a trade. A trade would cut down our options and locks us into a certain timeline. what happens if our center prospects (now traded) are the ones that live up to expectations and our wingers miss?
We need to see what we have.
Ziggy Stardust
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Rob Blake uttered these words in Elliotte Friedman’s 31 Thoughts column:
“We’re going to stick with the plan.”
“We’re going to stick with the plan.”
Lt Dan
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Unfortunately with Eichel, as much as he’s a good/great player, his possible availability is 2-3 years too early for this franchise. Majority of our prospects are working on their first full season of the NHL or AHL right now. Kings still don’t know what they have right now. Are players just on hot streaks/cold streaks etc. it’s a lot to gamble on.
I do believe Blake here however him sayin, "we ae going to bring someone in" does not help him get good value in deals.
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I believe in sticking with the plan, but there are times when there are unforeseen opportunities and the current state of things change.
Opportunities to have a chance to acquire an elite NHL center, that is 24 yrs old and team captain, come around about once a decade.
Or less. Plans can change and should, if you can take your team to the next level.
What has changed?
No one expected:
1. The Kings are 8-6-3 and no one expected that.
2. Players like Anderson, (for the most part) Grundstrom, Strand, Clague, JAD, and even Moore to play so well. And these are not even the elite young players the Kings have.
Even Vilardi has shown he's legit. 10 games last year, showed he can play at this level, but he's now a better skater and has added the weight and strength.
3. Small bonus that Kupari has emerged as a legit top prospect 'again'. it's not shocking, but I do not think most expected that. He's going to get better, too.
4. Dustin Brown to have 10 goals and being a threat again.
5. 'The new' West division. A year ago, this was not part of 'the plan', with new division that the Kings had a shot at making the playoffs.
There are so many good young players, the Kings will not be able to protect them...Clague? Strand? and others. It will make sense to make a deal at some point
this year, I think. The 2 for 1 types. The cap room is there.
I also think AA has played pretty well and been fine defensively. It hurt him to miss so many games. It can be said the Kings have no wingers, to play with Kopi, Eichel, Vilardi,
but I think AA may be a hidden gem, the rest of the year. He created his own chances, while playing line 4 last night. I see Grundstrom as a legit 3rd liner. He's been great.
The following team, can compete THIS YEAR. The following team, could probably beat anyone...or at least could win a playoff round or 2 and be getting there.
It would take a few to 'over-achieve', but some are.
Iafallo Kopitar Brown
AA Eichel Carter
Kempe Vilardi Grundstrom
Moore Lizotte JAD
Wagner Andersson Frk
Anderson Doughty
Bjornfot Roy
Maatta Walker
Strand
Quick
Petersen
These are the type of assets the Kings possess: Byfield, Turcotte, Kupari, Kaliyev, Madden, Thomas, Fagemo, Bjornfot, Clague, Hults, Strand, Grans, Faber, JAD.
You can add players like Andersson, Lizotte, Wagner as well.
All of these cannot make the Kings. I am sure the Sabres would love 2 or 3 of these players and 1 roster player, like Kempe, Iafallo or Roy.
I would hate to see 2 or 3 of these go, but a player like Eichel puts this team in contention. My problem is it's WAY too early to know
what the Kings have in Byfield, Turcotte and Kupari and to an extent, Madden and Kaliyev. This cannot be known for 1-3 years, unfortunately.
If Eichel were 27+ years and not under a pretty good contract, I would not consider making a deal...but at 24 and elite, captain, hungry to win,
and the guarantee you have in him? You have to look at a 'new plan'. Plans should change, if a better plan can be put in place.
Look at it this way, all these prospects cannot play with the Kings...so the plan could be to deal 2 of them in 1-3 years for an elite player...but a player like Eichel may not be there. Plans should be fluid and subject to change, when a current situation arises.
BigKing
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You don't get a player of Eichel's caliber/age by waiting three years to see if the asset depreciates because then you don't get him.
The Kings would be acquiring a sure thing. That is less of a gamble on their part. One in the hand is worth two in the bush. We're talking much better prospects when comparing Byfield to Paul Ladue but people didn't want to move Paul Ladue for Landeskog because the defensive prospect pool was so thin. Where is Paul now?
There is still a question of cost so I'm not all in on it but I am very interested. This is the 3rd rebuild season, basically. 2019 draft is your first high pick draft (2007 - Hickey) with 2020 being your second one (2008 - Doughty). This one was all set for #3 (2009 - Schenn) but they are a little frisky at the moment. You get the Richards trade two seasons after Schenn so your 2-3 year belief is on track if we want to do an apples-to-apples rebuild comparison. Richards was older, locked up for more years and had already dropped off from his career highs in points. He added a needed element to the team outside of points but I like Eichel's moxie as well. Schenn was considered the best prospect not in the NHL at the time of the trade but definitely hasn't lived up to the hype.
You could be right that Eichel may be too rich at the moment. What did happen after getting that last high pick in Schenn was that DL acquired Smyth in the off-season and picked Williams up at the '09 trade dealdine, jettisoning a supposed building block in O'Sullivan in the latter deal. That team needed veteran leadership that could also play: this one already has veterans that are relied upon to produce so it isn't the same situation. Blake could possibly take more time and not make a move this off-season but that is another season of these vets getting older and possibly less productive. If you have an abundance of prospects--especially at center--and can nab an elite, known quantity that is in an age bridge between the prospects and the vets, you really need to think long and hard about it. The idea of maximizing the remaining years of 11/8 while not giving up the farm is very enticing to me: if you can add Eichel and still maintain a Top 10 prospect pool than that is pretty nice.
Eichel is over a PPG the last two seasons. 94 point pace last year. I think we will all be stoked if any of the current prospects put up a season like that.
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