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Speculation: 2020-21 News/Rumors/Roster Thread Part IV

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KingsFan7824 said:
That's a Richards/Schenn/Simmonds type deal. That's sort of Eichel/Byfield/Vilardi. It's a younger version all around.
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This is a great point. The Richards and Carter trades are models to start a legitimate proposal. Both players were capable of being #1 centers when they were traded, and even if they didn't have the raw talent of Eichel they brought winning pedigrees between the AHL, WJC, and making the Cup Finals in Philly. I would guess Eichel goes for a tad more in terms of future assets.

Richards = Schenn (recent 5th overall pick) + Simmonds (top 3/6 winger on the rise) + 2nd round pick
Carter = 8th overall pick + Voracek (top 3/6 winger on the rise) + 3rd round pick
Carter v2 (CBJ trading at a disadvantage given Carter not wanting to be there) = 1st round pick + Johnson (top pair defenseman on the rise at the time)

In terms of our pool of assets:
Schenn = Turcotte or Vilardi
8th overall pick = LAK 2021 1st round pick
Top 3/6 winger on the rise or Carter v2 1st round pick = Kaliyev, Kupari, Madden, Kempe (if you squint)?
2nd or 3rd round pick = Walker, Iafallo
Top pairing defensemen on the rise = Bjornfot or *Roy (*who I think most here view as untouchable)

Basically, I think you have to pick 3 of those asset categories at least to get talks going. It's almost a worse bargaining position for us that we have Byfield. I don't blame them for planting their flag in the ground and taking nothing less than him. What's better for a rebuild than trading your current #2 overall for the most recent #2 overall?
 
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BringTheReign said:
The first offer is missing another grade-A asset, like our 2021 1st rounder. Turcotte is the only player listed with the potential to lead an offense. All the other players listed are good players, but if Buffalo is rebuilding they need future top 6/top pairing options, not complimentary guys. I don't think it's unreasonable for them to ask for our 2021 1st + Turcotte -or- Vilardi + a good roster player like those you listed. They need a chance to win the trade if they're going to do it, and frankly the only player 1 for 1 who has the potential to offer the impact Eichel does in the future is Byfield.

That being said, the counter offer you list from that Sabres fan is nuts like Ziggy said, but we would've asked for the same thing if someone tried to pry Kopitar out of our hands in 2011.

I'd prefer to pry Dahlin out of Buffalo as far as fits for our team go. We're all pining for the defensemen in the 2021 draft, but if we could nab Dahlin using that pick and one of our blue chip center/winger prospects, sign me up.
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I value Thomas as a A prospect I did not want to give up the first in the deal We need it to get a high end defenseman. However their ask of Bayfield Vilardi and Kaliyev plus picks was were I said hell no plus cap dump thats at least 6 assets To me that is insane. Now i like the idea of Dahlin however no chance there imo
 
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i posted on that thread that I think it's too soon to make a deal for Eichel.

The kings don't have the wingers in place to be able to play with Eichel. Nor is the defense established. It looks promising but it's not established. Petersen has all of 27 career games played. Kaliyev, thomas, turcotte, fagemo have a combined 1 game.

walker - 116 games
Roy - 105
Clague - 15
Anderson - 21
Bjornfot - 6
strand - 6

That's career games played. Doughty still has more games played than the entire rest of the defense combined. And it's not close.

As of the summer pause, Blake was saying it was too soon for any sort of big deal. During training camp, Blake was talking about weaponizing cap space but didn't because the deal wasn't right.

None of those comments says to me that Blake thinks the kings are one player away from contending. I would like to see what the prospects develop into. Chances are one is going to miss.

Edit: When the kings made the big trades for Carter and Richards, Quick had been the #1 goalie for 2 full seasons and had another where he was in 44. Petersen is promising but not proven.

The kings are still in the neighborhood of the third youngest team in the NHL.
 
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BringTheReign said:
This is a great point. The Richards and Carter trades are models to start a legitimate proposal. Both players were capable of being #1 centers when they were traded, and even if they didn't have the raw talent of Eichel they brought winning pedigrees between the AHL, WJC, and making the Cup Finals in Philly. I would guess Eichel goes for a tad more in terms of future assets.

Richards = Schenn (recent 5th overall pick) + Simmonds (top 3/6 winger on the rise) + 2nd round pick
Carter = 8th overall pick + Voracek (top 3/6 winger on the rise) + 3rd round pick
Carter v2 (CBJ trading at a disadvantage given Carter not wanting to be there) = 1st round pick + Johnson (top pair defenseman on the rise at the time)

In terms of our pool of assets:
Schenn = Turcotte or Vilardi
8th overall pick = LAK 2021 1st round pick
Top 3/6 winger on the rise or Carter v2 1st round pick = Kaliyev, Kupari, Madden, Kempe (if you squint)?
2nd or 3rd round pick = Walker, Iafallo
Top pairing defensemen on the rise = Bjornfot

Basically, I think you have to pick 3 of those asset categories at least to get talks going. It's almost a worse bargaining position for us that we have Byfield. I don't blame them for planting their flag in the ground and taking nothing less than him. What's better for a rebuild than trading your current #2 overall for the most recent #2 overall?
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I don't think that Buffalo has a huge pool to draw from in terms of suitors due to the amount of money that comes with Eichel. There aren't many teams that can just slide that under their cap and not kill themselves in the process. Combine that with the need for a lot of assets to send back and I doubt if there are more than 2-3 teams that can make it work.
 
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AzKing said:
I don't think that Buffalo has a huge pool to draw from in terms of suitors due to the amount of money that comes with Eichel. There aren't many teams that can just slide that under their cap and not kill themselves in the process. Combine that with the need for a lot of assets to send back and I doubt if there are more than 2-3 teams that can make it work.
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That's a good point, especially in these pandemic times. They'd have to find a team with picks/blue chip assets AND a high cap hit but low actual dollars player to include.
 
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BringTheReign said:
This is a great point. The Richards and Carter trades are models to start a legitimate proposal. Both players were capable of being #1 centers when they were traded, and even if they didn't have the raw talent of Eichel they brought winning pedigrees between the AHL, WJC, and making the Cup Finals in Philly. I would guess Eichel goes for a tad more in terms of future assets.

Richards = Schenn (recent 5th overall pick) + Simmonds (top 3/6 winger on the rise) + 2nd round pick
Carter = 8th overall pick + Voracek (top 3/6 winger on the rise) + 3rd round pick
Carter v2 (CBJ trading at a disadvantage given Carter not wanting to be there) = 1st round pick + Johnson (top pair defenseman on the rise at the time)

In terms of our pool of assets:
Schenn = Turcotte or Vilardi
8th overall pick = LAK 2021 1st round pick
Top 3/6 winger on the rise or Carter v2 1st round pick = Kaliyev, Kupari, Madden, Kempe (if you squint)?
2nd or 3rd round pick = Walker, Iafallo
Top pairing defensemen on the rise = Bjornfot or *Roy (*who I think most here view as untouchable)

Basically, I think you have to pick 3 of those asset categories at least to get talks going. It's almost a worse bargaining position for us that we have Byfield. I don't blame them for planting their flag in the ground and taking nothing less than him. What's better for a rebuild than trading your current #2 overall for the most recent #2 overall?
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I like this train of thought, well done
 
tny760 said:
"re-injured" re: frk is a bummer cause that was a groin injury right? no bueno
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Also a bummer for him. Cause that mighta been his chance lost. If players keep advancing for the Kings, number of open slots diminish. May not have room for FRK in a substantial role going forward. And the Kings were already his “second chance”
 
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I wonder if Wagner isn't a healthy scratch candidate just yet if he buries that pass from Luff last night. Out of the three on that line, Luff was the most noticeable IMO.
 
Pre-2012 Kopitar had just led 101 and 98 point teams to the playoffs. It's why trading for Eichel now isn't the same. This team is not as good as those young Kings teams. They're a couple of years away from that now if things break right. Adding Eichel now doesn't even come close to adding Richards and Carter to an already playoff caliber team.
 
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cyclones22 said:
Pre-2012 Kopitar had just led 101 and 98 point teams to the playoffs. It's why trading for Eichel now isn't the same. This team is not as good as those young Kings teams. They're a couple of years away from that now if things break right. Adding Eichel now doesn't even come close to adding Richards and Carter to an already playoff caliber team.
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It would hurt more, far more, than help.
 
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Aren’t we just gonna sign Mathews in 2024 as a free agent, you know, just about when all our star prospects lose their waiver eligibility?

;)
 
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Ignoring that it’s too early to make a big trade, is Eichel really the guy if you did. Buffalo are underperforming constantly and he doesn’t seem to lead that team in any meaningful way. We’d have to give up a huge number of culture guys and I’m sure end up regretting it.
 
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