Speculation: 2020-21 News/Rumors/Roster Thread Part IV

[YP44]

Kings top 6 scorers:
- 33 years old
- 36
- 31
- 27
- 24
- 36

Hawks top 6 scorers:
- 32
- 23
- 25
- 28
- 24
- 21

neat...not sure why you are comparing Kings to Hawks. The hawks have a lot of their top end youth playing in the NHL (Dach out with injury sucks for everyone who likes entertainment), LA still has a lot to come.

 

[cyclones22]

No kidding. The future of the Kings offense are all 21 and under. Everyone knows that there was a black hole in talent in the 23+ age group because of trading away assets to try and win a third Cup. This should not be a surprise.

 

[KingsFan7824]

neat...not sure why you are comparing Kings to Hawks.

Because it's Friday and I felt like it. One rebuilding team with another.

No kidding. The future of the Kings offense are all 21 and under. Everyone knows that there was a black hole in talent in the 23+ age group because of trading away assets to try and win a third Cup. This should not be a surprise.

Not a surprise. I said before the year started that the Kings will only start getting somewhere when a guy like Vilardi breaks through the Kopitar/Brown/Carter triad, since he's the first of the post-DL era players. Good that Kempe is there though. Good that Vilardi isn't far behind. Good that JAD has been productive so far.

 

[YP44]

The Athletic posted an article about Eichel potentially being moved, and listed the Rangers and Kings.

What is everyone's interest? It would sure cost a lot, I would think Turcotte, 2021 first would at least start the conversation. What would people offer up?

 

[Token]

The Athletic posted an article about Eichel potentially being moved, and listed the Rangers and Kings.

What is everyone's interest? It would sure cost a lot, I would think Turcotte, 2021 first would at least start the conversation. What would people offer up?

Throw in Dahlin and we will take the salary dump.

OK, they can get one of our centers thrown in.



Serious answer - depends on what they want. Are they going to tear down and rebuild and want futures or do they expect a return that plugs in and plays on day-1.

 

[KingLB]

Kings top 6 scorers:
- 33 years old
- 36
- 31
- 27
- 24
- 36

Hawks top 6 scorers:
- 32
- 23
- 25
- 28
- 24
- 21

It’s a good point, don’t let people kill it.

Kings could likely see a “drop back” next year, if this is a last gasp COVID rest related surge by the Vets. With the youth not stepping in next year and filling the void. Especially if the coming offseason is shorter.

 

[YP44]

It’s a good point, don’t let people kill it.

Kings could likely see a “drop back” next year, if this is a last gasp COVID rest related surge by the Vets. With the youth not stepping in next year and filling the void. Especially if the coming offseason is shorter.

did not mean to "kill it" or crap on it. Just seemed to come out of left field

 

[KingLB]

The Athletic posted an article about Eichel potentially being moved, and listed the Rangers and Kings.

What is everyone's interest? It would sure cost a lot, I would think Turcotte, 2021 first would at least start the conversation. What would people offer up?

Let’s be honest. Conversation starts with Byfield. A “young roster” player (I’d as for Bjornfot or Anderson, but possibly Kempe as an option) and this years #1.

 

[KingLB]

did not mean to "kill it" or crap on it. Just seemed to come out of left field

As someone who’s 90% of posts come from left field, I found it interesting. Especially considering, for the most part the Hawks guys aren’t/weren’t “top end prospects” except maybe Debrincat.

 

[YP44]

As someone who’s 90% of posts come from left field, I found it interesting. Especially considering, for the most part the Hawks guys aren’t/weren’t “top end prospects” except maybe Debrincat.

for sure.

I find the hawks interesting missing Toews and doing well. However they have 6 wins against Detroit so lets see how good they do when their competition gets tougher

 

[Telos]

Given his age, ability, and contract, Eichel would easily cost Byfield, our lottery 1st - probably not protected, and a young roster player/prospect - probably not Wagner or Amadio...

I like Eichel, would be killer to get him on this team, but honestly I don't see the need to make a move for him. If the price comes down, then sure, but I would rather see us develop what we have and if we make a deal in the future I hope it is for a Doughty replacement.

The only way I would be okay with making a deal like that for Eichel would be if they have another suitor in waiting to deal Kopitar to in a play to get comparable assets back in return.

 

[KingLB]

for sure.

I find the hawks interesting missing Toews and doing well. However they have 6 wins against Detroit so lets see how good they do when their competition gets tougher

Oi! So I didn’t know that! That does change everything for me! This year is so weird with all these “divisions”. Like 7 of the top 8 scores in the league are in the “North”.

Hedman actually only defenseman in league not in the North with more points than Doughty!

 

[YP44]

Oi! So I didn’t know that! That does change everything for me! This year is so weird with all these “divisions”. Like 7 of the top 8 scores in the league are in the “North”.

Hedman actually only defenseman in league not in the North with more points than Doughty!

Their games so far

 

[cyclones22]

The Kings have played some good squads or at least ones who were much better than them last season so even though they're not rattling 7 wins in a row off, they've been competitive in almost every single game for the most part.

 

[YP44]

I am also interested in Dallas. Their schedule has to be so messed up going forward first covid now all the weather shut down games. It is going to be taxing on them, and they already were missing some key guys.

 

[KingTech]

The Athletic posted an article about Eichel potentially being moved, and listed the Rangers and Kings.

What is everyone's interest? It would sure cost a lot, I would think Turcotte, 2021 first would at least start the conversation. What would people offer up?

In the Eichel thread I offered Turcotte Thomas walker and choice of Kempe or Iafallo and they said it was not enough The counter was insane Vilardi Bayfield Kailev and picks with a cap dump

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

In the Eichel thread I offered Turcotte Thomas walker and choice of Kempe or Iafallo and they said it was not enough The counter was insane Vilardi Bayfield Kailev and picks with a cap dump

Buffalo fans are delusional.

 

[AzKing]

In the Eichel thread I offered Turcotte Thomas walker and choice of Kempe or Iafallo and they said it was not enough The counter was insane Vilardi Bayfield Kailev and picks with a cap dump

The Kings aren't going to trade both Byfield and Turcotte for Eichel. They would move their #1 this year and one of those guys, Kempe and another prospect though and it would be worth it. People need to look at the fact that Eichel is 24 and is what you hope your prospect can turn into. If he were 27/28 then no way but at 24, he is still a kid and he has already proven that he can put 30 goals and 80+ points on the board in a normal season. That's rare air in terms of talent and it's doubtful that most prospects can turn into that consistently.

Look at who you probably made the offer to though if it's on a HF trade board. Some mutt who lives in their parents' basement and plays XBox all day. It isn't like they would ever be close to making deals in their life unless it was for a used game.

Can't get too attached to prospects especially when there is a guy out that fits the age/talent criteria for us plus he is locked in for 5 more years.

 

[BringTheReign]

In the Eichel thread I offered Turcotte Thomas walker and choice of Kempe or Iafallo and they said it was not enough The counter was insane Vilardi Bayfield Kailev and picks with a cap dump

The first offer is missing another grade-A asset, like our 2021 1st rounder. Turcotte is the only player listed with the potential to lead an offense. All the other players listed are good players, but if Buffalo is rebuilding they need future top 6/top pairing options, not complimentary guys. I don't think it's unreasonable for them to ask for our 2021 1st + Turcotte -or- Vilardi + a good roster player like those you listed. They need a chance to win the trade if they're going to do it, and frankly the only player 1 for 1 who has the potential to offer the impact Eichel does in the future is Byfield.

That being said, the counter offer you list from that Sabres fan is nuts like Ziggy said, but we would've asked for the same thing if someone tried to pry Kopitar out of our hands in 2011.

I'd prefer to pry Dahlin out of Buffalo as far as fits for our team go. We're all pining for the defensemen in the 2021 draft, but if we could nab Dahlin using that pick and one of our blue chip center/winger prospects, sign me up.

 

[tny760]

eichel's a tough nut.. one of those rare players that i feel like you can get away with trading the farm for. kid's really, really good and doesn't get enough respect. it's just like, a tough one to think about because what are the kings specifically getting out of eichel in his prime? we don't necessarily have the team that's gonna put us over the top with him even if it would be really, really nice. is the plan really to hinge on both byfield and turcotte being the 1-2 punch for 10 years? that's risky, but there's also nothing to lose right now..

i kind of agree more with telos that the BIG trade might need to be for a doughty replacement moreso than a center. kinda feel like we can afford to sit on our hands to atone for the previous string of bad "pls keep us competitive pls" trades

 

[BringTheReign]

My tin foil hat is on here, but which of these scenarios do you think is what we're seeing right now:

1. Hextall & Burke have legitimate interest in Quick, and Blake/TMac took out Cal after 4 great starts to give Quick some airtime to keep talks going.
2. TMac decided the goalie tandem works best when each guy gets to string together 2+ starts in a row rather than switching every other game (which does make some sense to me as a former goalie).
3. Both.

 

[KingsFan7824]

In the Eichel thread I offered Turcotte Thomas walker and choice of Kempe or Iafallo and they said it was not enough The counter was insane Vilardi Bayfield Kailev and picks with a cap dump

Nothing is ever enough, but it starts at Byfield, and then work your way down. If you've got Kopitar and Eichel, where is Byfield even playing?

If they traded for Eichel, then that's an essential scrapping of the rebuild, and it's now trying to win in the next couple years. No other reason to add a 3rd player taking up 8 digits on the cap, who wants to win now.

That's a Richards/Schenn/Simmonds type deal. That's sort of Eichel/Byfield/Vilardi. It's a younger version all around.

 

[Lt Dan]

My tin foil hat is on here, but which of these scenarios do you think is what we're seeing right now:

1. Hextall & Burke have legitimate interest in Quick, and Blake/TMac took out Cal after 4 great starts to give Quick some airtime to keep talks going.
2. TMac decided the goalie tandem works best when each guy gets to string together 2+ starts in a row rather than switching every other game (which does make some sense to me as a former goalie).
3. Both.

I honestly didn't even consider #1 until you mentioned it. Now you have me thinking.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Buffalo’s in bad shape.

 

[AzKing]

Nothing is ever enough, but it starts at Byfield, and then work your way down. If you've got Kopitar and Eichel, where is Byfield even playing?

If they traded for Eichel, then that's an essential scrapping of the rebuild, and it's now trying to win in the next couple years. No other reason to add a 3rd player taking up 8 digits on the cap, who wants to win now.

That's a Richards/Schenn/Simmonds type deal. That's sort of Eichel/Byfield/Vilardi. It's a younger version all around.

The thing is though, you can end up like Buffalo forever with the rebuild philosophy if you never make impact moves and then hope the kids play out. I am not saying that I want to scrap it though. I just think that you rarely get a shot at guys like Eichel. He is in a pretty bad situation in Buffalo and has never really had a chance with that ownership group being among the worst in the league. In L.A. he gets a better culture most likely and it's a franchise that has won 2 Cups.

To get 5 years of control on a 24-year old kid who already has that many years in the league is really rare and in my opinion, worth paying a high price for. He doesn't have to make us a top team in 2 years because he has time.

The chances are far greater that prospects will bust than become stars and we all know that. The deal will probably never happen but the Kings should definitely be checking on it.