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at age 29? Kopitar is still the best player on the Kings, at 33. Eichel would still be the best player on the Kings at 29.
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at age 29? Kopitar is still the best player on the Kings, at 33. Eichel would still be the best player on the Kings at 29.
ibleedkings
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Some of you sound like Dean Lombardi when he said the Kings acquiring Palffy was the wrong move.
Eichel is a stud.
Hockey is a stud-based sport.
You have a chance to get Eichel for a fair price, you get Eichel.
Hockey is a stud-based sport.
You have a chance to get Eichel for a fair price, you get Eichel.
ibleedkings
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No argument from me, but what’s a fair price?
Peter James Bond III
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Look at Kopitar, Brown, Doughty, even Carter and Quick this year....they seem rejuvenated and playing their best in 3+ years!
Now think if Blake goes out and adds Eichel? In giving up perhaps 1 roster player, 2 prospects and a #1 ?
How much more pumped would they be? With Kopi and Eichel down the middle, they could beat anyone. The PP would be amazing.
The Kings would still have one of the top 5 prospect pools, too.
Tell me 10 better players in the game, age 25 or under.
Now think if Blake goes out and adds Eichel? In giving up perhaps 1 roster player, 2 prospects and a #1 ?
How much more pumped would they be? With Kopi and Eichel down the middle, they could beat anyone. The PP would be amazing.
The Kings would still have one of the top 5 prospect pools, too.
Tell me 10 better players in the game, age 25 or under.
I’m not going to rehash the discussion but there are plenty of people here who would say Kopitar should have been traded by age 29. The Kings didn’t win the cup until Doughty’s draft year +4, Kopitar and Quick +7, Brown +9! Eichel just doesn’t fit, particularly for the price. Kempe and Iafallo get you hung up on.
kingsboy11
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I mean if you believe the rumors that we were interested in PLD/Laine, what makes you think we'd be able to get Eichel? I think the simple answer to this is that we could easily offer the best assortment of prospects for any player, but I don't think we have any NHL players that other teams would want outside of Kempe/Iafallo/Vilardi. So going after someone like Eichel who is definitely better than either Laine or PLD, it'll need to be a massive deal for this to work. And the problem is that the Sabres and the rest of the NHL is on the clock because his NMC kicks in in about a year or 2
If I’m the Sabers my first asking price from the Kings would be Vilardi (young roster player to step in immediately) Byfield (blue chip prospect) probably a defensive player Roy/Bjornfot and the 2021 first.
If Blake is lucky he can sway them toward Kempe instead of Vilardi, Byfield you might be stuck with and then maybe Kaliyev and Clague instead of Roy/Bjornfot. Definitely the 1st is going the other way.
But if I’m Buffalo I don’t have to trade Eichel so why not ask the moon of teams and see who caves.
If Blake is lucky he can sway them toward Kempe instead of Vilardi, Byfield you might be stuck with and then maybe Kaliyev and Clague instead of Roy/Bjornfot. Definitely the 1st is going the other way.
But if I’m Buffalo I don’t have to trade Eichel so why not ask the moon of teams and see who caves.
It should be noted that 5 of the 6* other rebuilding teams have been rebuilding for just as long or significantly longer than the kings have. Those 5 teams are the bottom two in their respective divisions as of right now.
So the Kings are doing much better in a significantly shorter period of time, have the better prospect pool and have the cap completely under control.
*Sharks are in a tough spot. Only team arguably not rebuilding since they had that 2019 run. On the down trend with aging players, multiple long term contracts so a not ideal cap situation, and a prospect pool that still is feeling the effects of being good for so long. Not the worst pool in the league though. Goaltending is bad. Not really rebuilding but in no man's land.
It won't be the Kings caving, giving up Vilardi and Byfield would be flat out stupid. Either could end up as good or better than Eichel. Eichel ain't Sydney Crosby.
If we could do Turcotte+Iafallo/Kempe+ 2021 first for Eichel, I would do it. And I think that is an extremely legit offer.
I'm against trading Byfield+ for Eichel though.
I'm against trading Byfield+ for Eichel though.
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Eichel is worth it unless the trade is absolutely absurd. I would be comfortable with the following:
Byfield or Turcotte
Kempe or Iafallo
Walker, Strand or Clague
1st
With the above package we won’t deplete our prospect pool and hurt our rebuild. If Buffalo wants Vilardi also, that is where I think long and hard but maybe decline.
Byfield or Turcotte
Kempe or Iafallo
Walker, Strand or Clague
1st
With the above package we won’t deplete our prospect pool and hurt our rebuild. If Buffalo wants Vilardi also, that is where I think long and hard but maybe decline.
The Kings are in too good of a position on their rebuild to pay what is required for Eichel. If all it took was Byfield + 1st + a basic roster player then it would have been done by now. The Sabres aren't rushing yet and the price is going to be one of the highest in hockey history. Players his age and caliber who don't have character baggage don't go on the market. The price is going to be multiple 1st round picks, a blue-chip prospect, and a young high-end roster player to start, maybe more... If no one bites in a season the price might lower, but someone out there is probably willing to pay.
Raccoon Jesus
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I agree.
I also don't think @Docgonzo is wrong though, they should ask for the moon.
But it won't be the Kings caving. They have no pressure, clock ain't ticking in the same way it is for the Sabres and Eichel.
I can be convinced of a lot of things for Eichel, but no more than one of Byfield/Turcotte/Vilardi is going in my world.
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So say conservatively about 150 points spread throughout a deep lineup for one 90 point player, huh?
Steve Zissou
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He forgot Brock Faber on the Kings prospects list. But the dude is always plugged in to nearly every team, so can't fault him too much.
I would do a trade for Eichel and again if the price is right. I think he's really good. Yes he's not McJesus nor Crosby but he's a top 10 center in the league I think. If I'm Buffalo and I see Iafaillo or Kempe I say no thanks even with a 1st in 2021. Buffalo asks for Vilardi or Byfield + Turcotte + Kaliyev/Fagamo + Clague + 2021 1st and throw in a 2nd for our star Center. And this may not even get it done. One of those trades where if you want a top player you better to be ready to pay. That is what it's going to take to get a player like Eichel in my opinion. Now is this an overpayment, perhaps but you gotta give to get and it just depends on whether Blake is willing to send some of our young prized prospects for a top 10 Center in his prime or entering his prime. Not saying I would do a trade like this, but Buffalo will want an every day player, good prospects and a few high pick . Many here have mentioned it and I agree none of these young prospects will be dealt until we see what they can do in the NHL. But the idea of getting Eichel is pretty enticing though.
Today's Forward line up with Eichel
Iafallo-Kopitar-Brown
Carter-Eichel-AA
Grundstrom -JAD-Moore
Insert any fourth liner here
I love Eichel, he's one of the best players in the league easily. And odds are that Byfield never becomes as good as him. But Byfield is also an elite talent AND he will bless us with three years of ELC production.
This is a cap league. It's not just how old is the player and how good is the player.
This team has a real path to stanley cup contention. As I see it, it's a large influx of high level cheap ELC players
(we have this in spades and Byfield is the gem here) combined with some Key Elite Veterans (Doughty and Kopi, elite two-way players at the most difficult positions to fill) combined with the cap space to make additions .So although I'm down to add Eichel if we treat him like the big addition that our cap space allows. I am not willing to risk too much ELC production in order to acquire him.
As good as a Eichel+Kopi 1/2 combo for 20 million sounds. A Byfield+Kopi 1/2 combo for 11 million seems even more promising. (My numbers might not be exact)
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It is and they are badly underperforming and it’s not all on the coaching. To get Eichel you’d have to give up a significant part of the culture we are trying to build as well as a whole bunch of talent. Eichel is a talent no doubt, but he does not seem to lead that team at all and we often hear about how unhappy he is. We complain about the leadership our current vets provide, yet they seem to do a better job than he does.
Yes he’d likely be better than most of our prospects ever will be, even though Byfield has greater upside IMO, if he hits his ceiling. However, it would great gaps elsewhere that we’d struggle to fill. I agree we will have to move prospects but until we know how they will pan out we don’t know where the gaps will be. For me Byfield is the cornerstone and when we make a big move it’s to get Doughty’s future replacement.
On talent alone Eichel is great, but in terms of being the team leader to drive us forward, I think he is a long way from being the right guy for us.
King'sPawn
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Too early to trade for Eichel. There are several pieces who need to mature, particularly on the blueline.
Why does everyone endure the suckage just to rush into mediocrity again?
Why does everyone endure the suckage just to rush into mediocrity again?
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