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Speculation: 2020-21 News/Rumors/Roster Thread Part III

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Statto said:
I think part of the initial defence of Voynov from some (and I include myself) was because the initial reports were inconsistent and he was very publicly convicted before being allowed to make any sort of defence. There were certainly stories about how his wife denied there was an assault, no translator was present etc. There was also a feeling that had he been from North America that he would have been treated differently from both the authorities and the NHL (which was probably true, before and since). Given the team seemed to be backing him and because of the way it ‘seemed’ to be handled by the press, NHL and authorities I was prepared to see how it played out in court.

Once it became clear he’d laid as much as a finger on her, I wanted him gone. It would be nice if we could be sure that all perpetrators of DV would be treated so decisively by the league.
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We're not even facing the real issue here. Voynov screwed up and did something indefensible to someone not on the team. I think people deserve second chances and I was in the "Voynov should seek help and treatment" camp and then reassess the situation. And his actions put his team in a difficult situation (and arguably led to the dismantling of a potentially great team) but he didn't do it to the team. Who am I to condemn or define someone for the rest of their life because of a single terrible decision? Call me naive or optimistic but I think people can change.

But... I think DeAngelo already got a second chance. And a third chance. And a fourth chance. He's been getting one-more-chances since his junior days. If these were off-ice issues unrelated to the team, maybe that could be addressed. Lots of guys have substance abuse issues or financial problems. But every step of the way in DeAngelo's career, the defining thread is that he hurts his own team. I've never even heard of a guy getting suspended for using offensive language toward his own teammates. How bad must that situation have been for a team-imposed suspension to have been made public by the team? It's just wild. There's a reason he was waived. Let's let someone else deal with him (or perhaps no one at all) and focus instead on developing our young players. We have enough problems of our own.
 
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kilowatt said:
We're not even facing the real issue here. Voynov screwed up and did something indefensible to someone not on the team. I think people deserve second chances and I was in the "Voynov should seek help and treatment" camp and then reassess the situation. And his actions put his team in a difficult situation (and arguably led to the dismantling of a potentially great team) but he didn't do it to the team. Who am I to condemn or define someone for the rest of their life because of a single terrible decision? Call me naive or optimistic but I think people can change.

But... I think DeAngelo already got a second chance. And a third chance. And a fourth chance. He's been getting one-more-chances since his junior days. If these were off-ice issues unrelated to the team, maybe that could be addressed. Lots of guys have substance abuse issues or financial problems. But every step of the way in DeAngelo's career, the defining thread is that he hurts his own team. I've never even heard of a guy getting suspended for using offensive language toward his own teammates. How bad must that situation have been for a team-imposed suspension to have been made public by the team? It's just wild. There's a reason he was waived. Let's let someone else deal with him (or perhaps no one at all) and focus instead on developing our young players. We have enough problems of our own.
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Pretty much agree. I was just addressing the specific point about people’s views on Voynov and how they evolved. Can people change? Yes. Even in cases of DV but that’s rare and there is a huge burden on the perpetrator to demonstrate and prove they have done so. I digress...

As you say DeA has had chances and to get suspended and waived after signing the contract he just had then something significant has occurred, without a doubt.
 
kingsfan28 said:
So the Kings will have played 1 game in 8 days by the time they play Vegas on Friday. They were so rusty on Tuesday due to lack of playing, it was down right embarrassing. Friday will be a massacre ! I can't wait for back to back 3 in 4 days and the guys being gases because they couldn't find enough days off. Who made this schedule anyway?
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Yah, just wait until they need to reschedule games due to Covid protocol...they are gonna wish the schedule makers took advantage of this past week.
 
kilowatt said:
We're not even facing the real issue here. Voynov screwed up and did something indefensible to someone not on the team. I think people deserve second chances and I was in the "Voynov should seek help and treatment" camp and then reassess the situation. And his actions put his team in a difficult situation (and arguably led to the dismantling of a potentially great team) but he didn't do it to the team. Who am I to condemn or define someone for the rest of their life because of a single terrible decision? Call me naive or optimistic but I think people can change.

But... I think DeAngelo already got a second chance. And a third chance. And a fourth chance. He's been getting one-more-chances since his junior days. If these were off-ice issues unrelated to the team, maybe that could be addressed. Lots of guys have substance abuse issues or financial problems. But every step of the way in DeAngelo's career, the defining thread is that he hurts his own team. I've never even heard of a guy getting suspended for using offensive language toward his own teammates. How bad must that situation have been for a team-imposed suspension to have been made public by the team? It's just wild. There's a reason he was waived. Let's let someone else deal with him (or perhaps no one at all) and focus instead on developing our young players. We have enough problems of our own.
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No, Voynov hit his wife at a team Halloween party before the altercation at home. The team had to spend a first round pick and a prospect to try and replace him. He absolutely embarrassed and harmed his team, that cannot be forgotten.
 
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bland said:
Nearly everyone wanted Voynov back?

Where did you get that? I know there were several, but its the same cast of charachters that get everything wrong, not just social issues.
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I wanted him re-instated so LA could deal him and get something for him. Never wanted him back as a King
 
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kilowatt said:
Was Sean Avery making fun of Brown's lisp in junior as well? Rewriting history on one of the worst locker room presences in the league sure is something. That Avery guy, great teammate, for sure.
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I am such a hypocrite when it comes to Avery...loved that guy on the ice and cheered for him. I rock my Avery jersey still. yet I do not want DeAngelo.

Maybe times have changed, maybe I have matured, or maybe I just have a bias.
 
Speaking of Avery...


Kings didn't get much of a return for him, but looking at Marek's numbers overseas, he put up phenomenal numbers. Have to wonder how he would have performed in the NHL. Sadly, Marek was one of the players on the Lokomotiv team that perished.
 
Seems like a screwed if you do, screwed if you don’t kind of scenario.

The postponed draft - you get to see kids normally in their D+1 years tear it up; throws everything off from the established methods.

The 2022 class gets shorted by the scouts having to split time on the 2021 class.

I’d have to say stick with this years class being drafted this summer, pull the bandaid off fast, reset to normal.

No need to mess up both 21 and 22.
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:
Speaking of Avery...


Kings didn't get much of a return for him, but looking at Marek's numbers overseas, he put up phenomenal numbers. Have to wonder how he would have performed in the NHL. Sadly, Marek was one of the players on the Lokomotiv team that perished.
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Do future considerations ever become anything? lol I always love it when I see that as part of a trade like they owe us a favor or something.
 
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kingsholygrail said:
Do future considerations ever become anything? lol I always love it when I see that as part of a trade like they owe us a favor or something.
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In most cases that's exactly what it turns out to. I believe it hinged on the Kings being successful in signing Jan Marek, which never happened.

Looked up what happened to that third rounder they received and the Kings would up moving it to Buffalo (along with a fourth) to move up seven spots to draft Andrew Campbell.

So a whole lot of nothing just to rid themselves of a headcase. I recall Cliche being someone the Kings considered to be the highlight of the trade.
 
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Token said:
Seems like a screwed if you do, screwed if you don’t kind of scenario.

The postponed draft - you get to see kids normally in their D+1 years tear it up; throws everything off from the established methods.

The 2022 class gets shorted by the scouts having to split time on the 2021 class.

I’d have to say stick with this years class being drafted this summer, pull the bandaid off fast, reset to normal.

No need to mess up both 21 and 22.
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Disagree. Actually might make the 21 draft class the most “accurate” of all time, as they get the 19 yo year as well to watch. And players are that much closer to their finished product. (Even if they did lose a year or part of one in development)

Also don’t see how it impacts 22 kids. You can scout more than 1 player at a time. Last game I really wanted to watch AK, but I was able to watch Vilardi/Clague at the same time?
 
KingLB said:
Disagree. Actually might make the 21 draft class the most “accurate” of all time, as they get the 19 yo year as well to watch. And players are that much closer to their finished product. (Even if they did lose a year or part of one in development)

Also don’t see how it impacts 22 kids. You can scout more than 1 player at a time. Last game I really wanted to watch AK, but I was able to watch Vilardi/Clague at the same time?
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The only ones who would be impacted would be those on teams with potential top picks in '21, that player loses the extra ice time that many get in their draft year.
 
bland said:
No, Voynov hit his wife at a team Halloween party before the altercation at home. The team had to spend a first round pick and a prospect to try and replace him. He absolutely embarrassed and harmed his team, that cannot be forgotten.
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I agree in hindsight, but what if Voynov had received the Austin Watson treatment? What if instead of essentially a lifetime ban in the NHL it had been a twenty game suspension? I think Voynov was treated differently in comparison to other players in the league with domestic violence issues. Not trying to make excuses for his behavior, but if he wasn't Russian, I wonder what our defense would look like right now.
 
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