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Cancer can spread, no thanks. Don't want it to corrupt the youth we have coming up, they need strong leadership right now.
Speculation: 2020-21 News/Rumors/Roster Thread Part III
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bland
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Nearly everyone wanted Voynov back?
Where did you get that? I know there were several, but its the same cast of charachters that get everything wrong, not just social issues.
KingsFan7824
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Voynov was our guy though. Developed by the Kings. Won with the Kings. Instrumental in the winning.
If the Rangers were winning right now? Not quite the same circumstances, but if Richards could still play in 2015, we never hear about a border incident. At the very least, nothing that flimsy is going to make DL but him out.
DeAngelo is someone else's problem, and wouldn't be the difference between winning and losing any time soon, so, it's not even worth half the hassle it would be. Real or perceived.
BigKing
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The majority of this board wanted him back because the idea was that they could still win Cups. As KF7824 said above, he was also "one of our guys".
I was fine with him coming back for various reasons that we won't rehash.
Absolutely. California’s unusual and overly paternalistic laws and the desire to make an example of Voynov after the Rice situation screwed him royally.
Everyone knows how angelic, nonviolent and law-abiding professional hockey players have always been in their personal lives...
Chazz Reinhold
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Setting aside the off-ice stuff with Voynov and Deangelo (which, of course, is not easy to do because it speaks to their morals as a human being), is there really any comparison at all as to the in-team effect? I don’t recall ever hearing anything about Voynov’s treatment of other players in the room, especially not something that (allegedly) caused another player to punch him in the face.
KingLB
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Matt13
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As someone who normally gets everything wrong, I can remember having to argue with way more people than I should have that Voynov was a POS and should never be let back on the team.
I did say I would like DeAngelo on the team, but I didn't really know any facts about what has been transpiring with him. I can give this young more slack though as he is clearly immature but maybe this is a wake up call? Its a two year contract the Kings are taking on, one of which is this year. I think the risk is worth the reward. Maybe this is the wake up call he needs. This team could use some sandpaper and could really use some D. Shit this team needs everything
Raccoon Jesus
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At the risk of splitting hairs between two terrible scenarios, the Voynov incident was an off-ice behavior not a repeated pattern over a decade of on-ice and locker room shenanigans. Not pardoning Voynov, but the NHL has let back plenty of people with arrests and more. ADA is a shitbag to EVERYONE, including teammates.
I don't care to have the discussion about which is universally worse, let's not go there. Just saying from a strictly hockey perspective there would be a reason to look over Voynov's transgressions where there really is just about no glossing over ADAs.
I don't care to have the discussion about which is universally worse, let's not go there. Just saying from a strictly hockey perspective there would be a reason to look over Voynov's transgressions where there really is just about no glossing over ADAs.
Sol
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Why even bring up Voynov? He was drunk and beat up his wife. As far as we know he could have been a good locker room guy so it's not even comparable. We all know Voynov made a huge error. However there were legitimate points to bring him back to the team and give him another chance. And you could have easily argued it the other way.
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Sol
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This is my big problem as well. McLellan has been here for quite a while to STILL not have an ironclad system in place. He escapes a lot of criticism on this board I want to give him a long rope since the team is young and there is nonstop moving pieces... However, it's rare when the Kings are playing to a form.
Also, yeah even though Kopitar has a C on his chest, he's far from a leader. He's rarely displayed leadership qualities. Only time you seen him show something close to it is when he's scored a big goal. But that doesn't have enough.
BigKing
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Depends on how you arrive at the reasoning for not picking up DeAngelo: is it bad locker room guy or because of his politics/possible prior racist comments?
To be fair, the majority of the reasoning on here to not get DeAngelo is due to the locker room issue and not because of his beliefs etc...so that doesn't totally equate to the Voynov incident.
Perhaps I remember incorrectly about how so many wanted Voynov back but I'm pretty sure it was a lot of posters and then that number dissipated the further the Kings moved away from relevancy. To say it is revisionist history now seems a bit revisionist to me because it is easy to say there wasn't much support within our fanbase because it's a better story to say that but, really, there was a lot. I was one of them and don't remember being on an island. Main board for sure but not on here.
Anyways, I brought it up because if anyone was cool with Voynov coming back but they don't want DeAngelo because of his Sarnia suspension and Twitter activity then they have a weird ranking system for transgressions. Most everyone here is more worried about the locker room with a young team and weak veteran leadership v. just because he is an asshole.
Lt Dan
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I don't know if you caught that he got an a brawl after an OT loss with the Rangers goalie who have up the goal?
He also reportedly has a history of doing that after losses
BigKing
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Oh, I'm not advocating for signing him or anything and I'm completely aware of how he has routinely worn out his welcome.
Think he started a fight with his D partner and not the goalie. If that is the case, the Kings could sign him and just make him always play with MacDermid.
I would be okay with deAngelo becoming a king if a few things happen first
a) A talk with Andersson to make sure he has no issues After all he was his team mate for a while.
b) he goes into counselling for senitivity training anger management the works He must pass all theses conditions.
c) no social media at all none
d) maybe see a phycologist for other possible issues
e) the price for him is reasonable ( something along the lines of amadio and a 4th if he plays next year)
a) A talk with Andersson to make sure he has no issues After all he was his team mate for a while.
b) he goes into counselling for senitivity training anger management the works He must pass all theses conditions.
c) no social media at all none
d) maybe see a phycologist for other possible issues
e) the price for him is reasonable ( something along the lines of amadio and a 4th if he plays next year)
tny760
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not really sure you can do anything like that, given that they're collectively bargained. i think a player contract is a player contract and you need a material breach ala mike richards to term it
i'm one of those guys that was interested in giving voynov a second chance but doesn't want deangelo mainly because of the fact that all the voynov stuff happened when they were both drunk and he did time for it, and appears at least to be keeping his life clean. deangelo has no excuse. he's spent 15 years being a sober asshole, being punished all the way. he ain't learnin.
Lt Dan
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That's not what happened. He actually hurt Brown's growth with his constant bullying of his lisp and saying his wife wasn't pretty enough . I think you also forgot that Laperriere left via FA because of Avery
I am in favor as well of giving Slava a 2nd chance. I think if DeAngelo wants to play this year he would do most of what i outlined on his own. The biggest thing i said is the Andersson talk. His comments would carry more weight because he was more connected to him and the ranger situation. A honest view might reveal more details in this situation. I would not want to rub Andersson the wrong way.
Reaper45
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I mean ultimately his antics taught the Kings how to grow a pair and do something and gave us some damn entertaining hockey in the process.
kilowatt
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DeAngelo's political views are so intertwined with his personal views that the two are inescapable. His entire online identity is racism, politics, and bullying. Judging by his reported behavior and history of suspensions, it appears his real life personality matches his online identity. To say "separate the politics from the player" is disingenuous because it isn't possible. He has several documented issues throughout his junior career and has overstayed his welcome on three NHL teams. What more is there to say? I couldn't tell you the political leanings of a single player on the Kings because they don't f***ing broadcast it. Support Trump or Biden or Putin for all I care, but when that boils over into disruptive issues on the ice and within the locker room, there are serious issues. The guy is a headcase and it's the absolute antithesis to the character this Kings team is trying to build and become.
I hope DeAngelo gets the help he needs. I really hope he can put these issues behind him because he is certainly a talented hockey player. But he has no place on this team and I really hope Luc and Blake agree with me.
kilowatt
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Was Sean Avery making fun of Brown's lisp in junior as well? Rewriting history on one of the worst locker room presences in the league sure is something. That Avery guy, great teammate, for sure.
kilowatt
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In all fairness, I think the Reign might be able to beat the Kings with Byfield and Turcotte back.
Madden - Byfield - Kaliyev
Fagemo - Turcotte - Kupari
JAD - Thomas - Dudas
Eyssimont - Sutter - Rymsha
Bjornfot - Durzi
Hults - Strand
Brickley - Moverare
Or:
Kempe - Kopitar - Iafallo
Athansiou - Lizotte - Carter
Andersson - Vilardi - Brown
Moore - Amadio - Grundstrom
Anderson - Doughty
Clague - MacDermid
Maatta - Alt
If you gave the Reign Quick or Petersen, I'm not sure the Kings take two of three.
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