Speculation: 2020-21 News/Rumors/Roster Thread Part III

[tny760]

Kaliyev back to the Reign....damn

Kaliyev Dazzled in NHL Debut, Now Heading Back to AHL

probably just a victim of frk coming back right? too many wingers

 

[Telos]

In all fairness, I think the Reign might be able to beat the Kings with Byfield and Turcotte back.

Madden - Byfield - Kaliyev
Fagemo - Turcotte - Kupari
JAD - Thomas - Dudas
Eyssimont - Sutter - Rymsha

Bjornfot - Durzi
Hults - Strand
Brickley - Moverare

Or:

Kempe - Kopitar - Iafallo
Athansiou - Lizotte - Carter
Andersson - Vilardi - Brown
Moore - Amadio - Grundstrom

Anderson - Doughty
Clague - MacDermid
Maatta - Alt

If you gave the Reign Quick or Petersen, I'm not sure the Kings take two of three.

I get where you're going with that and am tempted to jest the same, but, warts and all, I would wager on the Kings to win 2/3 or even sweep 3/3. All jokes aside, I don't see those kids squaring up well against our vets, and both goaltenders are capable.

 

[Telos]

probably just a victim of frk coming back right? too many wingers

They just want him to keep playing in a top 6 role and since there is no rush and they aren't competing for anything, I doubt they are going to allow him to burn a year off his contract. He's guaranteed to get more games throughout the year though, at least up till the limit.

 

[BigKing]

DeAngelo's political views are so intertwined with his personal views that the two are inescapable. His entire online identity is racism, politics, and bullying. Judging by his reported behavior and history of suspensions, it appears his real life personality matches his online identity. To say "separate the politics from the player" is disingenuous because it isn't possible. He has several documented issues throughout his junior career and has overstayed his welcome on three NHL teams. What more is there to say? I couldn't tell you the political leanings of a single player on the Kings because they don't f***ing broadcast it. Support Trump or Biden or Putin for all I care, but when that boils over into disruptive issues on the ice and within the locker room, there are serious issues. The guy is a headcase and it's the absolute antithesis to the character this Kings team is trying to build and become.

I hope DeAngelo gets the help he needs. I really hope he can put these issues behind him because he is certainly a talented hockey player. But he has no place on this team and I really hope Luc and Blake agree with me.

Sure: I have no issue with this. I have been reading a lot of "his politics = racist" but I haven't seen all of the receipts and a lot of what I read is basically making his political leanings to be inherently racist in general which is like someone saying a vey liberal person is inherently a communist. If it is just a "I think he is racist because MAGA" v. "Here is the exact racist thing he said" then I don't like that generalizing: especially on a kid that doesn't need any help with toxic qualities.

 

[Matt13]

Sure: I have no issue with this. I have been reading a lot of "his politics = racist" but I haven't seen all of the receipts and a lot of what I read is basically making his political leanings to be inherently racist in general which is like someone saying a vey liberal person is inherently a communist. If it is just a "I think he is racist because MAGA" v. "Here is the exact racist thing he said" then I don't like that generalizing: especially on a kid that doesn't need any help with toxic qualities.

I was lucky enough to go to a Phil Eagles game so many years ago against the NY Giants. The guys behind me were as blue collar as it gets. I got to hear some real gems that night including when the ball carrier for the Eagles (the home team) got hurt and the guy yells "That's what you get for putting your head down you fugggin Homophobic Slur". I think the guy even got stretchered off.

I watched DeAnglo's dad interview and it took be back to that night and I thought that may have been the guy behind me. Just because he isn't from a family asking for the Grey Poupon doesn't mean he is a bad guy. In fact he may be the most loyal guy in the world. Its hard to look past Tony's past troubles, but all the videos on Youtube of him interacting with his teammates show him as very likeable, his teammates engaged with him and it Jimmy Vesey seems to be his best friend.

 

[tny760]

Sure: I have no issue with this. I have been reading a lot of "his politics = racist" but I haven't seen all of the receipts and a lot of what I read is basically making his political leanings to be inherently racist in general which is like someone saying a vey liberal person is inherently a communist. If it is just a "I think he is racist because MAGA" v. "Here is the exact racist thing he said" then I don't like that generalizing: especially on a kid that doesn't need any help with toxic qualities.

the racism thing appears to be based off an OHL suspension where the only fact on the table is "he directed a slur at a teammate" and at least from what i can tell, no one knows for a fact who they were directed at or what those slurs were. not excusing it, it just looks like that got "social media'ed" into people accusing him of stealing k'andre miller's first goal puck and him racially abusing k'andre which made kreider punch him... lotta rumors based off extrapolation, definitely helped along by the trump stuff.

i think it's valid to attack his politics because he opened that door but calling him a racist doesn't really jive with actual facts

he's undeniably a f***in asshole though

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I don't think all the OHL stories are hearsay but I'll say it again for all the people that want to look past a record that's spotty at best: this guy is 25 and he's been in just about every situation--in the East on a Stanley Cup franchise, in the West on a train wreck franchise, back in the East near home on a rebuilding-but-storied franchise and he's been jettisoned from each one in short order. What the f*** makes you think the Kings can correct whatever is ailing a 25 year old where these other franchises have given up on him in a year or two?

The rest is just noise, bluntly. We can argue about his background/beliefs until we're blue in the face and won't agree--and it's pretty pointless imo.

 

[Matt13]

the racism thing appears to be based off an OHL suspension where the only fact on the table is "he directed a slur at a teammate" and at least from what i can tell, no one knows for a fact who they were directed at or what those slurs were. not excusing it, it just looks like that got "social media'ed" into people accusing him of stealing k'andre miller's first goal puck and him racially abusing k'andre which made kreider punch him... lotta rumors based off extrapolation, definitely helped along by the trump stuff.

i think it's valid to attack his politics because he opened that door but calling him a racist doesn't really jive with actual facts

he's undeniably a f***in asshole though

Here is the video of the Miller goal. DeAngelo goes up and congratulates him. How do people think DeAngelo who was playing a game was able to pocket / keep the puck from him? Curious of those details.

 

[BigKing]

I don't think all the OHL stories are hearsay but I'll say it again for all the people that want to look past a record that's spotty at best: this guy is 25 and he's been in just about every situation--in the East on a Stanley Cup franchise, in the West on a train wreck franchise, back in the East near home on a rebuilding-but-storied franchise and he's been jettisoned from each one in short order. What the f*** makes you think the Kings can correct whatever is ailing a 25 year old where these other franchises have given up on him in a year or two?

The rest is just noise, bluntly. We can argue about his background/beliefs until we're blue in the face and won't agree--and it's pretty pointless imo.

Totally. Rely on the track record as it relates to what has happened v. rumors and speculation since the former is all that is really needed to judge whether you want him on your team or not. The latter could be why the former occurs but it isn't proven and a lot of people are having fun running wild with it because it fits their agenda.

 

[KINGS17]

Sure: I have no issue with this. I have been reading a lot of "his politics = racist" but I haven't seen all of the receipts and a lot of what I read is basically making his political leanings to be inherently racist in general which is like someone saying a vey liberal person is inherently a communist. If it is just a "I think he is racist because MAGA" v. "Here is the exact racist thing he said" then I don't like that generalizing: especially on a kid that doesn't need any help with toxic qualities.

Well, to be fair not inherently a communist, just a Marxist. I know we are splitting hairs here, but there is a slight difference. Relax folks, it's a joke.

 

[KINGS17]

the racism thing appears to be based off an OHL suspension where the only fact on the table is "he directed a slur at a teammate" and at least from what i can tell, no one knows for a fact who they were directed at or what those slurs were. not excusing it, it just looks like that got "social media'ed" into people accusing him of stealing k'andre miller's first goal puck and him racially abusing k'andre which made kreider punch him... lotta rumors based off extrapolation, definitely helped along by the trump stuff.

i think it's valid to attack his politics because he opened that door but calling him a racist doesn't really jive with actual facts

he's undeniably a f***in asshole though

...and this is why I tell everyone I know, you don't need a social media account.

 

[kingsboy11]

Here is the video of the Miller goal. DeAngelo goes up and congratulates him. How do people think DeAngelo who was playing a game was able to pocket / keep the puck from him? Curious of those details.

That was never substantiated. Never saw anyone actually say that definitely happened. But because DeAngelo has such a horrific traffic record that it would sound believable.

 

[KINGS17]

I don't think all the OHL stories are hearsay but I'll say it again for all the people that want to look past a record that's spotty at best: this guy is 25 and he's been in just about every situation--in the East on a Stanley Cup franchise, in the West on a train wreck franchise, back in the East near home on a rebuilding-but-storied franchise and he's been jettisoned from each one in short order. What the f*** makes you think the Kings can correct whatever is ailing a 25 year old where these other franchises have given up on him in a year or two?

The rest is just noise, bluntly. We can argue about his background/beliefs until we're blue in the face and won't agree--and it's pretty pointless imo.

Not sure the Kings could fix him, not sure fixing any player is the goal of any organization. The player either fits into your team and helps you win, or he doesn't.

 

[King'sPawn]

Blake plays 4-D chess and uses DeAngelo as a team building moment as the young guys rise up to eventually kick him off the team.

As an aside, nearly everyone wanted Voynov reinstated and back on our blueline but nobody wants to touch this kid. I'm not saying they should pick him up or anything but it's just an interesting observation. I bet there are several posters that would be totally fine in picking up a 50 point defenseman on the cheap but don't want to get crushed on here.

I'm okay with Voynov, contingent he got help for his issues.

ADA has yet to admit he has screwed up on certain plays, let alone think he has an attitude problem

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Not sure the Kings could fix him, not sure fixing any player is the goal of any organization. The player either fits into your team and helps you win, or he doesn't.

Okay, so rephrasing the question, in what way does he fit the Kings in a way he didn't fit a successful franchise, an unsuccessful franchise, and a near-similar rebuilding franchise?

I mean, people are at this point actively trying to see no problem with this player and I don't understand why.

He's a defensive liability: "But points"

He has a spotty past: "well everyone deserves a 2nd chance/it's not that bad/the incidents are overblown"

He's a shitty teammate: "well not really, you can see here he's giving a teammate a high five so he's not shitty ALL the time, plus we don't have all the details of the fight he was abig part of."

Three teams have given up on him: "yeah but does he FIT?"

The guy is a f***nugget in every possible on ice/off ice scenario, why are people trying so hard to untangle the MANY threads to make it work?

 

[BigKing]

Okay, so rephrasing the question, in what way does he fit the Kings in a way he didn't fit a successful franchise, an unsuccessful franchise, and a near-similar rebuilding franchise?

I mean, people are at this point actively trying to see no problem with this player and I don't understand why.

He's a defensive liability: "But points"

He has a spotty past: "well everyone deserves a 2nd chance/it's not that bad/the incidents are overblown"

He's a shitty teammate: "well not really, you can see here he's giving a teammate a high five so he's not shitty ALL the time, plus we don't have all the details of the fight he was abig part of."

Three teams have given up on him: "yeah but does he FIT?"

The guy is a f***nugget in every possible on ice/off ice scenario, why are people trying so hard to untangle the MANY threads to make it work?

I'm not trying to fit him on this team but we have several defensive liabilities that can't score on this roster so it makes sense when talent is available on the cheap to wonder if it can work.

Now, fool me once shame on me etc...and this is like fool me three times so I get it. I can also understand why some people think it might be worth the chance since there is something called Mark Alt playing minutes for us right now.

That said, it is similar to putting out lineups that are full of prospects because people are tired of watching Amadio and Alt. People want to see the Kings win sooner rather than later so they ae impatient. 50 point defenseman don't grow on trees so it is inevitable that there is going to be some discussion once the Kings are floated as a team that is kicking the tires.

To be fair, Blake wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't look into it. The GM of this team should definitely kick the tires and speak to those that are in the know. Will probably still lead to an absolute pass but talent can really trump a lot of issues. Someone invariably bets on the talent until it is painfully obvious there is no hope: hard to imagine someone doesn't take a chance so soon after a 50 point season.

While LA is not the best market for someone with his "political baggage", the Kings are also an irrelevant fart in the wind in this town so scrutiny would be real light.

 

[Statto]

Depends on how you arrive at the reasoning for not picking up DeAngelo: is it bad locker room guy or because of his politics/possible prior racist comments?

To be fair, the majority of the reasoning on here to not get DeAngelo is due to the locker room issue and not because of his beliefs etc...so that doesn't totally equate to the Voynov incident.

Perhaps I remember incorrectly about how so many wanted Voynov back but I'm pretty sure it was a lot of posters and then that number dissipated the further the Kings moved away from relevancy. To say it is revisionist history now seems a bit revisionist to me because it is easy to say there wasn't much support within our fanbase because it's a better story to say that but, really, there was a lot. I was one of them and don't remember being on an island. Main board for sure but not on here.

Anyways, I brought it up because if anyone was cool with Voynov coming back but they don't want DeAngelo because of his Sarnia suspension and Twitter activity then they have a weird ranking system for transgressions. Most everyone here is more worried about the locker room with a young team and weak veteran leadership v. just because he is an asshole.

I think part of the initial defence of Voynov from some (and I include myself) was because the initial reports were inconsistent and he was very publicly convicted before being allowed to make any sort of defence. There were certainly stories about how his wife denied there was an assault, no translator was present etc. There was also a feeling that had he been from North America that he would have been treated differently from both the authorities and the NHL (which was probably true, before and since). Given the team seemed to be backing him and because of the way it ‘seemed’ to be handled by the press, NHL and authorities I was prepared to see how it played out in court.

Once it became clear he’d laid as much as a finger on her, I wanted him gone. It would be nice if we could be sure that all perpetrators of DV would be treated so decisively by the league.

 

[kingsholygrail]

I'm sure the Kings looked into it like any player that becomes available. I doubt they've made any serious offers and I doubt they will. Like if he was a legit top D, benefits of a doubt would create themselves.

 

[KINGS17]

Okay, so rephrasing the question, in what way does he fit the Kings in a way he didn't fit a successful franchise, an unsuccessful franchise, and a near-similar rebuilding franchise?

I mean, people are at this point actively trying to see no problem with this player and I don't understand why.

He's a defensive liability: "But points"

He has a spotty past: "well everyone deserves a 2nd chance/it's not that bad/the incidents are overblown"

He's a shitty teammate: "well not really, you can see here he's giving a teammate a high five so he's not shitty ALL the time, plus we don't have all the details of the fight he was abig part of."

Three teams have given up on him: "yeah but does he FIT?"

The guy is a f***nugget in every possible on ice/off ice scenario, why are people trying so hard to untangle the MANY threads to make it work?

I am not sure that he fits the Kings at this time in any way. Now, if you went back to 2014 or 2015, when the Kings had some strong veteran leadership, it could be a maybe.

 

[Stimpythecat]

With all the rookie players in the system looking to break into the NHL, the coaching staff may not have the time or the mental bandwidth to deal with and fix all that ailes DeAngelo.

I would not want anything to distract from the young players the kings already have. And that is aside from the impact on the players themselves of DeAngelo's inter personal skills or lack thereof.

 

[funky]

I like Iafallo but we seem to have a need for D lately and too many forwards.

trade based around Iafallo for Dunn?

 

[Steve Zissou]

I like Iafallo but we seem to have a need for D lately and too many forwards.

trade based around Iafallo for Dunn?

I've watched quite a few highlights of Dunn this season... against him. It even prompted me to read about him on the Blues board.... esh. Guy has not looked good this season, so when I heard the trade rumblings, it all made sense.

 

[kingsfan28]

So the Kings will have played 1 game in 8 days by the time they play Vegas on Friday. They were so rusty on Tuesday due to lack of playing, it was down right embarrassing. Friday will be a massacre ! I can't wait for back to back 3 in 4 days and the guys being gases because they couldn't find enough days off. Who made this schedule anyway?

 

[KingLB]

So the Kings will have played 1 game in 8 days by the time they play Vegas on Friday. They were so rusty on Tuesday due to lack of playing, it was down right embarrassing. Friday will be a massacre ! I can't wait for back to back 3 in 4 days and the guys being gases because they couldn't find enough days off. Who made this schedule anyway?

Its been longer since Vegas played.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Its been longer since Vegas played.

And they won't be rusty. Kings only get rusty because they prepare like shit.