Speculation: 2020-21 News/Rumors/Roster Thread Part II

[BigKing]

kaliyev above vilardi is interesting but still

Injuries aside, Vilardi is more the sure-fire NHL'er but Kaliyev's goal scoring/shot ability compared to every player in the world is more special than anything Vilardi brings to the table if doing a similar comparison.

I love Vilardi and would still rank him higher, but elite goal scoring potential is a premium asset so I get it.

 

[tny760]

Injuries aside, Vilardi is more the sure-fire NHL'er but Kaliyev's goal scoring/shot ability compared to every player in the world is more special than anything Vilardi brings to the table if doing a similar comparison.

I love Vilardi and would still rank him higher, but elite goal scoring potential is a premium asset so I get it.

yeah, definitely. i just can't rank the guy who hasn't touched the show higher than the guy who has. obviously it was just a cup of coffee, but he sure looked comfortable

 

[Stimpythecat]

Next offseason is going to be interesting. There will undoubtedly be teams that erred on their financial ability to weather this pandemic. As it is, 9-10 teams by filling out their roster will be over the cap and have to make moves.

Tampa


Bargain prices on good players to be had.

 

[jfc64]

Could the Kings be frontrunners in "solving" the Tampa Bay cap problems?

Mike Anderson for Anthony Cirelli (C) and Mikhail Sergachev (LHD) (both RFA:s at 4-5 million a year). A gamble for Tampa Bay and a big investment for Kings as well as another center...or Vilardi for said players.

 

[SFKingshomer]

Could the Kings be frontrunners in "solving" the Tampa Bay cap problems?

Mike Anderson for Anthony Cirelli (C) and Mikhail Sergachev (LHD) (both RFA:s at 4-5 million a year). A gamble for Tampa Bay and a big investment for Kings as well as another center...or Vilardi for said players.

TB would never do that without multiple assets included.

 

[kilowatt]

Could the Kings be frontrunners in "solving" the Tampa Bay cap problems?

Mike Anderson for Anthony Cirelli (C) and Mikhail Sergachev (LHD) (both RFA:s at 4-5 million a year). A gamble for Tampa Bay and a big investment for Kings as well as another center...or Vilardi for said players.

Why would Tampa do that? Mikey Anderson doesn’t get you either of those players. Vilardi might get one, but even then, I doubt it. You’re probably looking at something like Tyler Johnson and Sergachev for a first round pick next year, and then add from there.

 

[KINGS17]

Why would Tampa do that? Mikey Anderson doesn’t get you either of those players. Vilardi might get one, but even then, I doubt it. You’re probably looking at something like Tyler Johnson and Sergachev for a first round pick next year, and then add from there.

People think Tampa has backed themselves into a corner, and they have to some degree. Any trade where they were offering Sergachev would generate interest among multiple teams, and in terms of future assetes they would get fair value.

There isn't a chance in hell though that Sergachev is on the block unless and until his contract demands become unreasonable.

 

[jfc64]

Why would Tampa do that? Mikey Anderson doesn’t get you either of those players. Vilardi might get one, but even then, I doubt it. You’re probably looking at something like Tyler Johnson and Sergachev for a first round pick next year, and then add from there.

They already lost two defenders from the Stanley cup team, Shattenkirk and Bogosian and now Sergachev (they have three unsigned RFA:s). They must add a good defenseman at a low cost for two more seasons. That comes with a price.

Vilardi is soon as good as Cirelli, well. Why add salary? etc.

 

[jfc64]

People think Tampa has backed themselves into a corner, and they have to some degree. Any trade where they were offering Sergachev would generate interest among multiple teams, and in terms of future assetes they would get fair value.

There isn't a chance in hell though that Sergachev is on the block unless and until his contract demands become unreasonable.

If they want to use him he must be signed and two other players moved. Gourde and Cirelli is an option as well. Or Killorn and Cirelli. Who can add those 5 million a year players easy?

 

[KINGS17]

If they want to use him he must be signed and two other players moved. Gourde and Cirelli is an option as well. Or Killorn and Cirelli. Who can add those 5 million a year players easy?

I think Tampa Bay will find a way to move Johnson and Killorn.

Possible scenarios:

1. Johnson is packaged with Foote to entice a rebuilding team to take Johnson's contract. (If this happens, Blake better be all over it.)

2. Johnson and Killorn are moved for next to nothing in separate deals, Tampa lets Cernak walk as an RFA, and they insert Foote into Cernak's spot in the lineup.

No way they are trading Sergachev.

 

[jfc64]

I think Tampa Bay will find a way to move Johnson and Killorn.

Possible scenarios:

1. Johnson is packaged with Foote to entice a rebuilding team to take Johnson's contract. (If this happens, Blake better be all over it.)

2. Johnson and Killorn are moved for next to nothing in separate deals, Tampa lets Cernak walk as an RFA, and they insert Foote into Cernak's spot in the lineup.

No way they are trading Sergachev.

Interresting options but obviously shows their mistake. What about Cirelli and Cernak for Evan Bouchard! (three years left on ELC)

 

[kilowatt]

Interresting options but obviously shows their mistake. Cirelli and Cernak for Evan Bouchard! (Three years left on ELC)

They just won the Stanley Cup. They didn't make a mistake.

 

[jfc64]

They just won the Stanley Cup. They didn't make a mistake.

Agree. But the rain comes now. And they are all answering to the people's court of Florida.

In reality they probably follow a manual with all possible solutions and they are at step 3 out of 100. But I have not heard of a solution that makes sense yet.

Firstrounder, secondrounder, Cernak and Cirelli to LA. Mike Anderson and Kempe to Tampa?

 

[KINGS17]

Interresting options but obviously shows their mistake. What about Cirelli and Cernak for Evan Bouchard! (three years left on ELC)

I think they can clear enough cap space to keep all of them. If I was the Tampa Bay GM, I might take a calculated risk and trade the rights to Cernak for a prospect ready to break through, and take my chances with Foote in place of Cernak next season.

The Lightning should be contending again next season.

 

[SFKingshomer]

I think TB should move McDonagh even if they don’t get fair value. Clears a big salary and gives Sergachev more responsibility while allowing them to keep Cernak. Johnson and Killorn will likely move as well...

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I think TB should move McDonagh even if they don’t get fair value. Clears a big salary and gives Sergachev more responsibility while allowing them to keep Cernak. Johnson and Killorn will likely move as well...

Then they'd have to expose Hedman to more PK time. Their main PKers were McDonagh and Cernak and everyone else had similar to Hedman.

Right now one of the reasons he's turned loose to dominate is because they use all their other d-men to soften his minutes as much as possible. They might have to Doughtify his role a bit more as they shed some pieces.

Dude only played 21 total minutes a game in the playoffs. Edit: My bad, that was even strength, which I knew but still wrote while I was transposing like an idiot. 26 total.

 

[Docgonzo]

Unless they’re getting offered a huge deal, Tampa would definitely let Cernak go before letting Sergachev.

Johnson/Killorn/Gourde plus a prospect or pick is far far more likely. They’re probably just holding off for now hoping somebody caves and takes a player for cheap.

 

[kilowatt]

Then they'd have to expose Hedman to more PK time. Their main PKers were McDonagh and Cernak and everyone else had similar to Hedman.

Right now one of the reasons he's turned loose to dominate is because they use all their other d-men to soften his minutes as much as possible. They might have to Doughtify his role a bit more as they shed some pieces.

Dude only played 21 total minutes a game in the playoffs.

Sorry, this doesn’t fit the Hedman is a Hockey God narrative, and is therefore incorrect.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Sorry, this doesn’t fit the Hedman is a Hockey God narrative, and is therefore incorrect.

10 goals and 22 points in 25 playoff games while averaging over 26 minutes per game probably gives Hedman a slight nudge.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

10 goals and 22 points in 25 playoff games while averaging over 26 minutes per game probably gives Hedman a slight nudge.

Of course he was the best dman on the planet this year.

But the two-way god stuff is overblown, he's got a shutdown pairing behind him and others to lighten the PK load.

And the only reason that's relevant is that if TBL is losing pieces on D they're going to be strategic about it so as not to give Hedman DD/Vlasic deployment. They're smart to use him to his strengths, like Ottawa did with Karlsson.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Bandit's prospect rankings:

1.Tobias Björnfot

Happy? Remember these lists are just some donghole's opinion, I wouldn't worry about it too much.

There’s nothing wrong with having weak areas in your prospect pool. The Lombardi era was goal scoring wingers. The Blake era appears to be top flight defensemen.

And frankly, while I’m not worried about it, I’m at least a little apprehensive about the future of our blueline, particularly if Doughty continues to decline. If we really plan on getting back into playoff contention by 22/23, someone like Bjornfot will need to take a massive step forward.

High end NHL defenseman are hard to come by. Every contender in the league is looking for reliable top four D. You’re either paying out the nose in FA, or you need to be in the right place at the right time with a surplus of quality forwards to trade.

Ultimately, all I’m trying to say is that it’s a potential issue worth keeping an eye on. We could solve it as soon as the 2021 draft by picking up a bluechipper in the top five.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Injuries aside, Vilardi is more the sure-fire NHL'er but Kaliyev's goal scoring/shot ability compared to every player in the world is more special than anything Vilardi brings to the table if doing a similar comparison.

I love Vilardi and would still rank him higher, but elite goal scoring potential is a premium asset so I get it.

Agreed. Kaliyev has an ungodly amount of offensive potential. He’s more boom bust than a player like Vilardi (ignoring injury worries), but if he booms, he’ll be one of the better goal scoring forwards in the entire league.

 

[regulate]

Kings organization players age this season (January). **=no contract
36
Brown
Carter

35
Quick

33
Kopitar

31
Doughty
Grosenick

29
Alt

27
Iafallo
Frk

26
Maatta
Walker
MacDermid
Petersen

25
Moore
Roy
Brickley

24
Kempe
Amadio
Eyssimont
Imama
Dergachyov**

23
Wagner
Lizotte
Grundstrom
Luff
Strand

22
Andersson
Rymsha
Hults
Durzi
Clague
Moverare
Hrenak**

21
Vilardi
Anderson
Madden
Thomas
Anderson-Dolan
Sodergran
Phillips
Villalta
Shafigullin**

20
Kupari
Fagemo
Dudas
Ingham
Lee**
Nousiainen**

19
Turcotte
Kaliyev
Bjornfot
Spence
Doyle**
Laferriere**
Meehan**
Parik**
Simontaival**

18
Byfield**
Chromiak**
Faber**
Grans**
Jamsen**
Markkanen**

 

[Bandit]

I wish Petersen was a couple years younger.

 

[Sleeping Dog]

I wish Petersen was a couple years younger.

I wish I was a couple of years younger too, but I get what you’re saying. Having him start his career on LA, sharing duties with JQ, at 24 would be preferred, but we can’t change that. Just hope he continues to improve an is our #1 goalie by next year.