Speculation: 2020-21 LA Kings News/Rumors/Roster Discussion Part II

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Saad is being overhyped here. He turns 29 right about the time the season starts and he is a 40-50 point winger playing on teams with much better offensive talent than he will have in LA. A season similar to what AA had is probably the likely result for Saad in LA. Plus his hot streak in the playoffs and his SC wins with the Hawks are going to interest teams that might think they need a player with experience to push them over the top.

Tarasenko is at absolute best short term fix for a team that should be trying to add pieces that will be able to contribute the next time the team is ready to compete. A fantastic talent in his prime but he looked awful this season, as someone else said, this is would have a chance to be Lucic all over again.

There are no secondary or depth pieces that seem appealing for any kind of long term gain.
 
So how do they get the true game breakers?

Are the Kings going to suck enough the next two years to be near the top of the draft to draft players like that? If that is the plan I am cool with it, lets tell Drew we are sticking with the slow rebuild and hope he wasn't bluffing and ok's a move to a contender. Kopitar, Doughty, Quick, Kane, Toews, Keith, Malkin, Crosby, Fleury, Stamkos, Hedman, Kucherov were all drafted by their teams, with 8 of the 12 being Top 4 picks. So that is the best true and tested way of adding game-breaking foundational players. And there are certainly a few potential franchise altering players in the next couple of drafts after this one that could be someone you put with QB and have 2 dominant centers going forward. I agree with your sentiment that they haven't had a ton of time to cover all the bases, but the bases are not secondary players, the Kings are loaded with secondary players, the bases are 1 more elite forward and 1 more elite defender. Goaltending you can solve in other ways, especially with a Bill Ranford as coach, although I wouldn't mind them even addressing that this year with Wallstedt rather than adding yet another future 2nd liner or 2nd pairing defender. I am usually against drafting goalies high but this draft is just different with how poor it projects. But if the rumors of bringing in 27-30 year old 2nd liners and 2nd pairing defenders on short term contracts is true, it's unlikely the Kings will suck that bad barring a Doughty injury or trade. If it's trade or FA, those types of players that have traditionally been needed to build a dominant team with a multi-year championship window just very rarely if ever hit the trade market, that is what makes the Eichel situation so unique, we may not see a player of his age and caliber hit the market again through Byfield's entire prime, not hyperbole its just rare for a star 1C his age to be available. Or do you want to add the game-breaker through UFA? Most young stars sign long term 2nd contracts that puts their UFA age anywhere between 27 and 30, most of those players choose to re-sign again with their current teams and the ones that do hit the market you are competing with the entire league and LA has traditionally not been a destination for FA's for a variety of reasons. Would you be open to Blake just saying F it and if Landeskog is on the market offering him a 7 year deal for more than any other team? The Kings could do it with all their players on ELC's and many of them not ending until the same summer Kopitar is off the books. It's possible but idk seems unlikely.

It just seems that Blake has 3 options he has to figure out this summer.

1. He can tear it down more and try and pick very high the next 2-3 years.

This is the same thing as staying the course assuming Doughty isn't BS'ing and requests a trade in mid-July if the roster is still trash. This continues the trend of how the Kings played to finish out last season, where they were one of the worst teams in the league over the final 20 games. This strategy can probably get Blake out of the Doughty contract which could be a negative contract by the time the team might be able to contend again. Kopitar finishes out his final productive years in a mentor role to Byfield and all the other young players, someone you can still market ticket sales around, put on billboards etc. Not unlike the role Getzlaf had in Anaheim. The best case scenario here is you are really bad and get atleast one superstar prospect between 2022 and 2023, two would be gravy but if you get say 1 star forward in one draft then pick say around 4-7 in another draft and get a potential 1D all the holes are filled with guys under 23. The players at the top of these drafts are likely immediate NHL'ers at 18 who could be capable of being difference makers almost right away. We are talking better prospects than QB, this also gives you insurance if QB isn't a huge star that you have another guy with just as good or even a better chance. The Kings rebuild right now is very very heavily dependent on QB being a stud 1C, if he is anything less than a star 1C its very likely doomed because there isn't another potential 1C in the system.

The worst case scenario, other than drafting a bust (unlikely) is the team either somehow overachieves or there are a lot of bad teams trying to do the same thing. Buffalo and Seattle for instance could both be really bad next year. But a Kings team without Doughty would be Buffalo level bad. You also are at the mercy of the lottery, 2022 and 2023 looks like its going to have 3 potential superstars in each draft, you could finish 3rd behind Buffalo and Seattle and miss out due to the lottery. There is also concern about promoting losing, but many of the best players in the league entered into losing situations and came out of it ok. Blake would have to keep Kopitar and would probably do what DL did and bring in older vets who are good in the room and good around young players.


2. He can trade his significant prospect capital, specifically the overflow of likely 2nd line centers for a current and future 1C in Jack Eichel.

As has been discussed here a ton, there are certainly valid risks, but it's a rare opportunity that Blake probably won't be presented with again in the rest of his time as Kings GM. The positive scenario is Eichel returns to the level he played at before as he enters his prime and QB develops into a Barkov caliber player (probably his ceiling). The Kings have no concerns at the most important and valuable position on a roster, essentially having two 1C's (between Eichel, Kopitar and then QB taking over for AK) for the next 5 seasons minimum to build around. QB likely doesn't see a top checking center or top pair d-man much at all in his first 3 years and has limited defensive responsibility until AK leaves. Eichel's contract would end at age 29, giving Blake the possibility of re-signing him and having some good years left with what is hopefully by then another stud star center in QB, a big difference than if Eichel were say 27. Wingers are easier to acquire through trade, UFA and later in the draft than C's like this are. If QB reaches potential and Eichel is the same player he was in Buffalo the wingers don't even have to be great with C's like that. If your 2C projects as someone like Vilardi, Turcotte or Kupari as it does now you will have to likely put a very good winger on that line for it to be an offensive juggernaut. Again those are easier to acquire than centers, but as evidenced by the Kings the last 15 years, they don't grow on trees either. Another thing to consider, the Kings aren't going to be cup favorites next year, no matter who they add, but this allows the Kings to keep Doughty and Kopitar and with the addition of Eichel it's very likely the Kings get a wildcard if not a 3 seed in the pacific. With players like those 3, plus if maybe a few things go right like Kaliyev or Vilardi emerge as a solid wingers next to Eichel and maybe Kempe finally figures it out, on the backend Toby and Anderson could potentially take a step this year, especially Toby. If that happens the Kings atleast give themselves a fighters chance. As witnessed by Montreal this year there is some value to just getting in. The two best teams in the division project to be Vegas and Edmonton, and we saw what happened to them in this years playoffs. As I've said before, this trade is more done for down the road, transitioning the Kings from the Kopitar/Doughty era to the Eichel/QB era but it does give you a little benefit of likely seeing playoff hockey next spring at Staples.

The negative is Eichel isn't the same player he was in Buffalo. The Kings would do due diligence medically and wouldn't trade for him if he is damaged goods so I'm less worried about a career ending injury, but he certainly could be a lesser player (say like a RyJo himself) and the doctors and medical tests might not be able to identify that before the trade. Also there is the chance that QB is RyJo too. The Kings could win with with a RyJo caliber 2C in QB or Eichel playing behind an elite 1C caliber Eichel or QB but it's obviously a much tougher challenge than having 2 elite 1C's. Also, in that scenario once QB's contract is up you have a $10m 2nd line center no longer being eased by the 1C on an ELC. For the next three years having three players making $10m a year, especially two on the wrong side of 30 isn't ideal either and kind of limits Blake. The good news on that front is the most likely Kings that would be needing potentially big extensions if all goes well would be QB and Kaliyev, and they will both be FA's when Kopitar's contract expires. If that final year of Kopitar's contract has QB as the 2C, Kaliyev as a scoring line winger and Kopitar as the 3C their cap hits would be a combined $12 million, that is more than manageable


3. Attempt to bring in players still in the primes of their career on shorter term bigger money deals and/or trade for secondary or depth players from cap strapped teams.

I see almost no benefit in this if the goal is to eventually compete for SC's, but it's being discussed a lot here with some people close to the team saying it might be the path they go down.

The positive is this keeps Doughty from running his mouth and you don't have to give up any of your prospect capital? If you sign Brandon Saad, sign or trade for a 2nd pairing d-man you can possibly sneak into a WC or 3 seed, as discussed above the division is going to be a joke. I think the chances of making a run are less than the big trade scenario one would be, because it's Kopitar and a rookie QB as the likely centers as opposed to Eichel and Kopitar. This gives the Kings more cap flexibility going forward and more time to evaluate prospects to see how they project. Blake would have a better chance to evaluate what he's giving up and not miss out on trading Vilardi right before he becomes a 20-40 type player or Turcotte if he turned into a modern day Mike Richards. However there is also a chance that guys like Turcotte, Kupari and Vilardi could see their stock fall next season, no guarantee it goes up.

The negatives. You enter into black hole territory for the next couple of years, no Stanley Cups and no top picks. You still don't have anyone young that projects as truly elite outside of QB and you are looking at picking in the teens for the next couple of years making it very difficult to find a franchise talent in the draft, so you're likely adding even more secondary pieces to an already muddled prospect pool filled with them. If that is to stockpile more prospects to increase the prospect capital and make a trade in 2-3 years there is no guarantee that anyone even resembling a star is on the market, and almost zero chance a player as good as Eichel is available. There is a realistic chance Kopitar begins to fall off with no veteran center to pick up his role, and a Kopitar fall-off negates any positive a Brandon Saad or any Tampa player may bring and KO's any playoff hopes but not enough to fall into a position to draft really high (unless we win the lottery).

I didn't include signing someone like Landeskog, someone is going to give him 7 years at the money he wants, which the Kings are unlikely to do even if they could, and the Kings would have to offer significantly more than anyone else to get him to come to a bad team that plays 50 games a year in a state with a a 12% state income tax. Same thing with Hamilton, and the rumors on him anyways are that it might be a sign and trade to get the 8 years. Sorry but giving guys in their late 20's 7 or 8 year deals and in Hamilton's case giving stuff up, no thanks and unlikely anyways.

I think the benefit of #3 is that if everything goes right we have a potential cup contending team in the short term, without actually sacrificing any of our picks/prospects.

What would everything going right be? Well most importantly a few of our prospects would have to drastically outplay their elc contracts (for example play at the level of a legit top 6 forward/top 4 D) if you did something like the Tarasenko acquisition plus short term quality free agent vets then Kopitar and Doughty would have to maintain a similar level. Tarasenko would have to get back to being at least an above average top 6 winger. The short term vets we added would have to provide depth.

Maybe it takes too many things going right, but it's not as unlikely as everyone wants to make it out to be.

If it doesn't work out then we get a slightly lower pick, but at least we keep our picks and future cap flexibility.

If a year from now you put a roster together like this:

Iafallo-Kopitar-Kaliyev
Turcotte-Byfield-Tarasenko
Schwartz-Vilardi-Kempe
Anderson-Thomas/JAD-Moore

Bjornfot-Doughty
Martinez-Clarke
Walker-Roy

Petersen

Now I get it that it's unlikely that all of these things work out. But it's certainly not all that crazy for high end 20 yr old prospects to make legit impacts in the nhl. And that is basically what we would be banking on. If that works out AND the vets continue to do their job then you have a contender based on talent.
 
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So how do they get the true game breakers?

Are the Kings going to suck enough the next two years to be near the top of the draft to draft players like that? If that is the plan I am cool with it, lets tell Drew we are sticking with the slow rebuild and hope he wasn't bluffing and ok's a move to a contender. Kopitar, Doughty, Quick, Kane, Toews, Keith, Malkin, Crosby, Fleury, Stamkos, Hedman, Kucherov were all drafted by their teams, with 8 of the 12 being Top 4 picks. So that is the best true and tested way of adding game-breaking foundational players. And there are certainly a few potential franchise altering players in the next couple of drafts after this one that could be someone you put with QB and have 2 dominant centers going forward. I agree with your sentiment that they haven't had a ton of time to cover all the bases, but the bases are not secondary players, the Kings are loaded with secondary players, the bases are 1 more elite forward and 1 more elite defender. Goaltending you can solve in other ways, especially with a Bill Ranford as coach, although I wouldn't mind them even addressing that this year with Wallstedt rather than adding yet another future 2nd liner or 2nd pairing defender. I am usually against drafting goalies high but this draft is just different with how poor it projects. But if the rumors of bringing in 27-30 year old 2nd liners and 2nd pairing defenders on short term contracts is true, it's unlikely the Kings will suck that bad barring a Doughty injury or trade. If it's trade or FA, those types of players that have traditionally been needed to build a dominant team with a multi-year championship window just very rarely if ever hit the trade market, that is what makes the Eichel situation so unique, we may not see a player of his age and caliber hit the market again through Byfield's entire prime, not hyperbole its just rare for a star 1C his age to be available. Or do you want to add the game-breaker through UFA? Most young stars sign long term 2nd contracts that puts their UFA age anywhere between 27 and 30, most of those players choose to re-sign again with their current teams and the ones that do hit the market you are competing with the entire league and LA has traditionally not been a destination for FA's for a variety of reasons. Would you be open to Blake just saying F it and if Landeskog is on the market offering him a 7 year deal for more than any other team? The Kings could do it with all their players on ELC's and many of them not ending until the same summer Kopitar is off the books. It's possible but idk seems unlikely.

It just seems that Blake has 3 options he has to figure out this summer.

1. He can tear it down more and try and pick very high the next 2-3 years.

This is the same thing as staying the course assuming Doughty isn't BS'ing and requests a trade in mid-July if the roster is still trash. This continues the trend of how the Kings played to finish out last season, where they were one of the worst teams in the league over the final 20 games. This strategy can probably get Blake out of the Doughty contract which could be a negative contract by the time the team might be able to contend again. Kopitar finishes out his final productive years in a mentor role to Byfield and all the other young players, someone you can still market ticket sales around, put on billboards etc. Not unlike the role Getzlaf had in Anaheim. The best case scenario here is you are really bad and get atleast one superstar prospect between 2022 and 2023, two would be gravy but if you get say 1 star forward in one draft then pick say around 4-7 in another draft and get a potential 1D all the holes are filled with guys under 23. The players at the top of these drafts are likely immediate NHL'ers at 18 who could be capable of being difference makers almost right away. We are talking better prospects than QB, this also gives you insurance if QB isn't a huge star that you have another guy with just as good or even a better chance. The Kings rebuild right now is very very heavily dependent on QB being a stud 1C, if he is anything less than a star 1C its very likely doomed because there isn't another potential 1C in the system.

The worst case scenario, other than drafting a bust (unlikely) is the team either somehow overachieves or there are a lot of bad teams trying to do the same thing. Buffalo and Seattle for instance could both be really bad next year. But a Kings team without Doughty would be Buffalo level bad. You also are at the mercy of the lottery, 2022 and 2023 looks like its going to have 3 potential superstars in each draft, you could finish 3rd behind Buffalo and Seattle and miss out due to the lottery. There is also concern about promoting losing, but many of the best players in the league entered into losing situations and came out of it ok. Blake would have to keep Kopitar and would probably do what DL did and bring in older vets who are good in the room and good around young players.


2. He can trade his significant prospect capital, specifically the overflow of likely 2nd line centers for a current and future 1C in Jack Eichel.

As has been discussed here a ton, there are certainly valid risks, but it's a rare opportunity that Blake probably won't be presented with again in the rest of his time as Kings GM. The positive scenario is Eichel returns to the level he played at before as he enters his prime and QB develops into a Barkov caliber player (probably his ceiling). The Kings have no concerns at the most important and valuable position on a roster, essentially having two 1C's (between Eichel, Kopitar and then QB taking over for AK) for the next 5 seasons minimum to build around. QB likely doesn't see a top checking center or top pair d-man much at all in his first 3 years and has limited defensive responsibility until AK leaves. Eichel's contract would end at age 29, giving Blake the possibility of re-signing him and having some good years left with what is hopefully by then another stud star center in QB, a big difference than if Eichel were say 27. Wingers are easier to acquire through trade, UFA and later in the draft than C's like this are. If QB reaches potential and Eichel is the same player he was in Buffalo the wingers don't even have to be great with C's like that. If your 2C projects as someone like Vilardi, Turcotte or Kupari as it does now you will have to likely put a very good winger on that line for it to be an offensive juggernaut. Again those are easier to acquire than centers, but as evidenced by the Kings the last 15 years, they don't grow on trees either. Another thing to consider, the Kings aren't going to be cup favorites next year, no matter who they add, but this allows the Kings to keep Doughty and Kopitar and with the addition of Eichel it's very likely the Kings get a wildcard if not a 3 seed in the pacific. With players like those 3, plus if maybe a few things go right like Kaliyev or Vilardi emerge as a solid wingers next to Eichel and maybe Kempe finally figures it out, on the backend Toby and Anderson could potentially take a step this year, especially Toby. If that happens the Kings atleast give themselves a fighters chance. As witnessed by Montreal this year there is some value to just getting in. The two best teams in the division project to be Vegas and Edmonton, and we saw what happened to them in this years playoffs. As I've said before, this trade is more done for down the road, transitioning the Kings from the Kopitar/Doughty era to the Eichel/QB era but it does give you a little benefit of likely seeing playoff hockey next spring at Staples.

The negative is Eichel isn't the same player he was in Buffalo. The Kings would do due diligence medically and wouldn't trade for him if he is damaged goods so I'm less worried about a career ending injury, but he certainly could be a lesser player (say like a RyJo himself) and the doctors and medical tests might not be able to identify that before the trade. Also there is the chance that QB is RyJo too. The Kings could win with with a RyJo caliber 2C in QB or Eichel playing behind an elite 1C caliber Eichel or QB but it's obviously a much tougher challenge than having 2 elite 1C's. Also, in that scenario once QB's contract is up you have a $10m 2nd line center no longer being eased by the 1C on an ELC. For the next three years having three players making $10m a year, especially two on the wrong side of 30 isn't ideal either and kind of limits Blake. The good news on that front is the most likely Kings that would be needing potentially big extensions if all goes well would be QB and Kaliyev, and they will both be FA's when Kopitar's contract expires. If that final year of Kopitar's contract has QB as the 2C, Kaliyev as a scoring line winger and Kopitar as the 3C their cap hits would be a combined $12 million, that is more than manageable


3. Attempt to bring in players still in the primes of their career on shorter term bigger money deals and/or trade for secondary or depth players from cap strapped teams.

I see almost no benefit in this if the goal is to eventually compete for SC's, but it's being discussed a lot here with some people close to the team saying it might be the path they go down.

The positive is this keeps Doughty from running his mouth and you don't have to give up any of your prospect capital? If you sign Brandon Saad, sign or trade for a 2nd pairing d-man you can possibly sneak into a WC or 3 seed, as discussed above the division is going to be a joke. I think the chances of making a run are less than the big trade scenario one would be, because it's Kopitar and a rookie QB as the likely centers as opposed to Eichel and Kopitar. This gives the Kings more cap flexibility going forward and more time to evaluate prospects to see how they project. Blake would have a better chance to evaluate what he's giving up and not miss out on trading Vilardi right before he becomes a 20-40 type player or Turcotte if he turned into a modern day Mike Richards. However there is also a chance that guys like Turcotte, Kupari and Vilardi could see their stock fall next season, no guarantee it goes up.

The negatives. You enter into black hole territory for the next couple of years, no Stanley Cups and no top picks. You still don't have anyone young that projects as truly elite outside of QB and you are looking at picking in the teens for the next couple of years making it very difficult to find a franchise talent in the draft, so you're likely adding even more secondary pieces to an already muddled prospect pool filled with them. If that is to stockpile more prospects to increase the prospect capital and make a trade in 2-3 years there is no guarantee that anyone even resembling a star is on the market, and almost zero chance a player as good as Eichel is available. There is a realistic chance Kopitar begins to fall off with no veteran center to pick up his role, and a Kopitar fall-off negates any positive a Brandon Saad or any Tampa player may bring and KO's any playoff hopes but not enough to fall into a position to draft really high (unless we win the lottery).

I didn't include signing someone like Landeskog, someone is going to give him 7 years at the money he wants, which the Kings are unlikely to do even if they could, and the Kings would have to offer significantly more than anyone else to get him to come to a bad team that plays 50 games a year in a state with a a 12% state income tax. Same thing with Hamilton, and the rumors on him anyways are that it might be a sign and trade to get the 8 years. Sorry but giving guys in their late 20's 7 or 8 year deals and in Hamilton's case giving stuff up, no thanks and unlikely anyways.

Just to say first, I appreciate the detail and length of your responses here, even if I disagree with the opinion its always a pleasure to read them.

Regarding game breakers, I was on the Stützle/Byfield fence all summer last year. I preferred Stützle but completely understood why Byfield had to be the pick. I do appreciate those kinds of players, but realize that structure must be in place in order for all to thrive. The Kings lacked structure in their organization and they have checked a lot of those required boxes with their recent picks.

We all know the caveats about prospect development percentages, not counting chickens, all that stuff, so I leave it out of the context of the posts just because we all know those things and they should be assumed by now.

This pick should be in play, and I have felt so all year. If there is a dynamic option available to support the asset list, I am all for it. I don't want to alter that list - I think it should be augmented. Reinhart is the guy I am most excited about from a trade perspective.

But if they keep that pick, I would hope that they have an eye on high impact at any position, even in net. There are four or five guys I would really like to add here that could be around in that spot. Guessing we will see a lot more timeouts used in the.upcoming draft as the jockeying looks like it could be substantial.

Curious what you think of Johnson, as he could be around anywhere from 3 to 15. I have only seen 5 or 6 games this year, and my brief general takeaway was that he is sort of a diet Cole Perfetti. He draws your attention, and has clever hands and a good eye, but mobility and decision making seem to be at a level below.
 
$9.5 million actual cash the first year but only $5.5 million the second. So still $7.5 million average.

No signing bonus so escrow and deferrment eat into that.
 
I hope we take on cap to fill the holes, add some assets this way. Until we have a new system in place any player we bring in is going to score less with us. This is pretty much the main reason I don't want to go big with free agency. Wasted money and opportunity for the youngsters.
 
Like to see LA trade Vilardi since our Centre position seems great even without Gabe...Kopi,Byfield,Turcotte and JAD even though I think he's a better Winger...scoring Wingers are a must in LA! Kempe,Athanasiou can be special with Kopi-Star and Lias sure has great potential
 
Like to see LA trade Vilardi since our Centre position seems great even without Gabe...Kopi,Byfield,Turcotte and JAD even though I think he's a better Winger...scoring Wingers are a must in LA! Kempe,Athanasiou can be special with Kopi-Star and Lias sure has great potential

I question if there is room for AA to be back. Liked him last year but not sure he is back.
 
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I would rather try Vilardi on the wing than trade him for pennies on the dollar or sign some FA merc bullshit.
Yea I think they should give him a look for at least another year. He looked good with Lias and the year before with Frk. That could even be a good 3rd line. Lias - Vilardi - Frk and a 4th line of Grundstrom - Dolan - Moore
The top six needs renovation if Kaliyev, Byfield, and Turcotte are not ready
 
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Tarasenko finished out the season with the Blues playing 28 games (24 regular, 4 playoffs).

6g, 10a, 16pts in that span. 82 game pace = 18g, 29a, 47pts

Not terrible when you consider he hadn't played in a year.

His shooting percentage was a career low 8.3%. His career average is 12.6%. That could be a good sign as shooting % usually reverts to the mean (we saw that with Carter this year).

A 10.7% shooting percentage (around the lows of his career), would have put him at a 23 goal pace. His career average shooting percentage would put him at a 27 goal pace.
 
Mike Reilly:Bounced around quite a bit. But at 27 just had a career year. Good puck mover, not a big scoring threat but a decent replacement in case we lose Clague.
He's very underrated. He's the "money puck" pick for sure.

I mentioned Goligoski before. He'd be cheap and low risk. He's 35, but I think he could bring some value.
 
We’re still writing War and Peace about how much Richards sucked huh?

Even if you want to disregard literally every other second he played, he was worth it for the primary assist on Williams’ OT goal in the final. Some of you might be tempted to say “anyone could make that pass” and to that I say Austin Wagner.

Why not just ignore then? You literally hate and mock everything I post, whether it’s a one paragraph opinion on a Kings prospect I saw play in person or a long and detailed post summarizing a players 4 seasons with the Kings. Plus I’m one of those “shitty people” who chose to live in flyover country you were talking about last week so why let a post from a shitty person bother you?

I think judging by replies and PMs I get that many people enjoy my long and detailed posts as it contributes more to the discussion than short drivel that adds very little. But if anyone hates it and think it’s a waste of their time or makes the board worse I would hope they choose to ignore.
 
Why not just ignore then? You literally hate and mock everything I post, whether it’s a one paragraph opinion on a Kings prospect I saw play in person or a long and detailed post summarizing a players 4 seasons with the Kings. Plus I’m one of those “shitty people” who chose to live in flyover country you were talking about last week so why let a post from a shitty person bother you?

I think judging by replies and PMs I get that many people enjoy my long and detailed posts as it contributes more to the discussion than short drivel that adds very little. But if anyone hates it and think it’s a waste of their time or makes the board worse I would hope they choose to ignore.
Nothing you say “bothers” me. And no I don’t mock everything you post, that would be a full time job. My opinion about Richards is no more “drivel” than yours, it just doesn’t take me a bible to say it. I’m talking about hockey, sorry you’re taking it so personally.
 
I would rather try Vilardi on the wing than trade him for pennies on the dollar or sign some FA merc bullshit.

I agree, and his lack of speed is not as big an issue on the rw as it is down the middle, especially in the Kings system that counts on a center being defensively responsible. Assuming QB is the 1C and JAD is the 3C and Blake stays the course, two of Turcotte, Vilardi and Kupari are going to have to switch to the wing if they are going to play top 9 roles. The Kings are dreadful on the RW both at the NHL and prospect level and that presents an opening for Gabe. Then problem as always, and why I have been a bit critical of the heavy center emphasis is that its not always as easy to switch from a position you’ve played your entire competitive hockey career to a different one. Some do it seamlessly, some don’t.

Just to say first, I appreciate the detail and length of your responses here, even if I disagree with the opinion its always a pleasure to read them.
Regarding game breakers, I was on the Stützle/Byfield fence all summer last year. I preferred Stützle but completely understood why Byfield had to be the pick. I do appreciate those kinds of players, but realize that structure must be in place in order for all to thrive. The Kings lacked structure in their organization and they have checked a lot of those required boxes with their recent picks.
We all know the caveats about prospect development percentages, not counting chickens, all that stuff, so I leave it out of the context of the posts just because we all know those things and they should be assumed by now.
This pick should be in play, and I have felt so all year. If there is a dynamic option available to support the asset list, I am all for it. I don't want to alter that list - I think it should be augmented. Reinhart is the guy I am most excited about from a trade perspective.
But if they keep that pick, I would hope that they have an eye on high impact at any position, even in net. There are four or five guys I would really like to add here that could be around in that spot. Guessing we will see a lot more timeouts used in the.upcoming draft as the jockeying looks like it could be substantial.
Curious what you think of Johnson, as he could be around anywhere from 3 to 15. I have only seen 5 or 6 games this year, and my brief general takeaway was that he is sort of a diet Cole Perfetti. He draws your attention, and has clever hands and a good eye, but mobility and decision making seem to be at a level below.

Thanks for the reply and kind words. We obviously have ideological differences but I appreciate that, and your response.
Interestingly enough I was pretty consistent in wanting QB for the entire year, even though I am certainly more of a fan of skilled players than you are. I just had, and still have some concerns that Stutzle can play center in the NHL. He is obviously an insane talent but having a center that big and that skilled was tough to pass up on. Now some of that also is after seeing him play I really don’t think Turcotte is going to be a 1C in the NHL, same thing with Vilardi and Kupari and I think having a 1C is the single most important piece of a rebuild. Having watched Stutzle this year I think a case can be made for either guy, maybe Stutzle by a hair if he can indeed play center.

I’m cool with trading the #8 pick this year, I just don’t know what the market is going to be for that pick, in what is not only a really weak year in the top 10 but also a year where not a ton of these guys played a lot and there was limited opportunity to see them in person. Reinhart for the #8 would be a fine trade for the Kings, I just wonder if this year was a career year for Reinhart and he returns to 20-25 level he has been previous seasons or if its a guy who is going to score at the 35-40 goal level like he did this season. Either way, he fills a major organizational need as a goal-scoring right shot player, I don’t think he’s a game changer and I wouldn’t overpay but if the price is right he is a great fit, based on style and age.

I wish I could provide more of a detailed breakdown on the 3 Michigan players and specifically Johnson, normally I’d feel pretty comfortable giving my opinions but in the case of Johnson I am just going off TV like you are as I’ve never seen him play in person like I have with Power (a lot) and Beniers (twice) since he didn’t play in the USHL in 19-20 and no fans were allowed this year. I would concur with what the publications say and what Bill Muckalt said, he seems to be an incredible talent who just has motor/compete issues and also needs to gain a ton of weight. If he is there for the Kings at 8 it does make some sense as he would likely become the best playmaker in the prospect pool and someone you could play with QB on the left wing. I guess the concern for the Kings is that puts your top 4 best young players (QB, Johnson, Kaliyev & Turcotte) as all left hand shots. Guenther probably makes more sense for the Kings based on organizational need, but he may not be there. I just hope that if the Kings do draft Johnson they are hands off for this coming year, and I don’t just say that because he is a UM player. Don’t try and sign him, and if he comes to you and says he wants to leave tell him exactly what Marc Bergevin told Cole Caufield last spring when he wanted to sign with the Habs. Whoever drafts Johnson will benefit greatly from him living at the weight room at Yost and hopefully having a dominant sophomore year on the ice and carrying it over to the pros next spring.
 
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There are several projected middle six RWs here, and luckily they are all complimentary players who like to get the puck to the net without requiring the lionshare of possession - Thomas, Madden and Fagemo aren't line drivers and have enough variety in their games to hopefully find a good fit supporting this collection of centers.

Vilardi seems like a good bet to fit in as a top 6 RW as a line driver. His work from the dots in has all kinds of potential, but I will also say that struggling with defensive coverages on a poor team doesn't mean that he isn't a good bet up the middle. He does struggle with zone entries both ways, which seems like his biggest hurdle to overcome.

Wouldn't it be an absolute blast to see all the stars align and get a Turcotte - Byfield - Vilardi top line?

The more footage I watch, the more I focus on Clarke as my favorite prospect this year. Svechkov is my sleeper, he has more Kopitar in him than Byfield. Eklund, Guenther, Johnson, all good adds here. Lucius, Sillinger, MacTavish, Beniers obviously, all good players with compete levels that would be welcome. Wallsted would be a sound choice too.

This first round, assuming they keep the pick, is more fun than the last couple since there are so many attractive and varied relatively equal options.
 
I'd be looking at low cost high reward guys and a big splash. So i'm going for the Russian 3.

Trade for Tarasenko, Kuznetsov, Sergachev. Sounds like the 1st two need a change of scenery and Tampa needs cap space.
 
So how do they get the true game breakers?

Are the Kings going to suck enough the next two years to be near the top of the draft to draft players like that? If that is the plan I am cool with it, lets tell Drew we are sticking with the slow rebuild and hope he wasn't bluffing and ok's a move to a contender. Kopitar, Doughty, Quick, Kane, Toews, Keith, Malkin, Crosby, Fleury, Stamkos, Hedman, Kucherov were all drafted by their teams, with 8 of the 12 being Top 4 picks. So that is the best true and tested way of adding game-breaking foundational players. And there are certainly a few potential franchise altering players in the next couple of drafts after this one that could be someone you put with QB and have 2 dominant centers going forward. I agree with your sentiment that they haven't had a ton of time to cover all the bases, but the bases are not secondary players, the Kings are loaded with secondary players, the bases are 1 more elite forward and 1 more elite defender. Goaltending you can solve in other ways, especially with a Bill Ranford as coach, although I wouldn't mind them even addressing that this year with Wallstedt rather than adding yet another future 2nd liner or 2nd pairing defender. I am usually against drafting goalies high but this draft is just different with how poor it projects. But if the rumors of bringing in 27-30 year old 2nd liners and 2nd pairing defenders on short term contracts is true, it's unlikely the Kings will suck that bad barring a Doughty injury or trade. If it's trade or FA, those types of players that have traditionally been needed to build a dominant team with a multi-year championship window just very rarely if ever hit the trade market, that is what makes the Eichel situation so unique, we may not see a player of his age and caliber hit the market again through Byfield's entire prime, not hyperbole its just rare for a star 1C his age to be available. Or do you want to add the game-breaker through UFA? Most young stars sign long term 2nd contracts that puts their UFA age anywhere between 27 and 30, most of those players choose to re-sign again with their current teams and the ones that do hit the market you are competing with the entire league and LA has traditionally not been a destination for FA's for a variety of reasons. Would you be open to Blake just saying F it and if Landeskog is on the market offering him a 7 year deal for more than any other team? The Kings could do it with all their players on ELC's and many of them not ending until the same summer Kopitar is off the books. It's possible but idk seems unlikely.

It just seems that Blake has 3 options he has to figure out this summer.

1. He can tear it down more and try and pick very high the next 2-3 years.

This is the same thing as staying the course assuming Doughty isn't BS'ing and requests a trade in mid-July if the roster is still trash. This continues the trend of how the Kings played to finish out last season, where they were one of the worst teams in the league over the final 20 games. This strategy can probably get Blake out of the Doughty contract which could be a negative contract by the time the team might be able to contend again. Kopitar finishes out his final productive years in a mentor role to Byfield and all the other young players, someone you can still market ticket sales around, put on billboards etc. Not unlike the role Getzlaf had in Anaheim. The best case scenario here is you are really bad and get atleast one superstar prospect between 2022 and 2023, two would be gravy but if you get say 1 star forward in one draft then pick say around 4-7 in another draft and get a potential 1D all the holes are filled with guys under 23. The players at the top of these drafts are likely immediate NHL'ers at 18 who could be capable of being difference makers almost right away. We are talking better prospects than QB, this also gives you insurance if QB isn't a huge star that you have another guy with just as good or even a better chance. The Kings rebuild right now is very very heavily dependent on QB being a stud 1C, if he is anything less than a star 1C its very likely doomed because there isn't another potential 1C in the system.

The worst case scenario, other than drafting a bust (unlikely) is the team either somehow overachieves or there are a lot of bad teams trying to do the same thing. Buffalo and Seattle for instance could both be really bad next year. But a Kings team without Doughty would be Buffalo level bad. You also are at the mercy of the lottery, 2022 and 2023 looks like its going to have 3 potential superstars in each draft, you could finish 3rd behind Buffalo and Seattle and miss out due to the lottery. There is also concern about promoting losing, but many of the best players in the league entered into losing situations and came out of it ok. Blake would have to keep Kopitar and would probably do what DL did and bring in older vets who are good in the room and good around young players.


2. He can trade his significant prospect capital, specifically the overflow of likely 2nd line centers for a current and future 1C in Jack Eichel.

As has been discussed here a ton, there are certainly valid risks, but it's a rare opportunity that Blake probably won't be presented with again in the rest of his time as Kings GM. The positive scenario is Eichel returns to the level he played at before as he enters his prime and QB develops into a Barkov caliber player (probably his ceiling). The Kings have no concerns at the most important and valuable position on a roster, essentially having two 1C's (between Eichel, Kopitar and then QB taking over for AK) for the next 5 seasons minimum to build around. QB likely doesn't see a top checking center or top pair d-man much at all in his first 3 years and has limited defensive responsibility until AK leaves. Eichel's contract would end at age 29, giving Blake the possibility of re-signing him and having some good years left with what is hopefully by then another stud star center in QB, a big difference than if Eichel were say 27. Wingers are easier to acquire through trade, UFA and later in the draft than C's like this are. If QB reaches potential and Eichel is the same player he was in Buffalo the wingers don't even have to be great with C's like that. If your 2C projects as someone like Vilardi, Turcotte or Kupari as it does now you will have to likely put a very good winger on that line for it to be an offensive juggernaut. Again those are easier to acquire than centers, but as evidenced by the Kings the last 15 years, they don't grow on trees either. Another thing to consider, the Kings aren't going to be cup favorites next year, no matter who they add, but this allows the Kings to keep Doughty and Kopitar and with the addition of Eichel it's very likely the Kings get a wildcard if not a 3 seed in the pacific. With players like those 3, plus if maybe a few things go right like Kaliyev or Vilardi emerge as a solid wingers next to Eichel and maybe Kempe finally figures it out, on the backend Toby and Anderson could potentially take a step this year, especially Toby. If that happens the Kings atleast give themselves a fighters chance. As witnessed by Montreal this year there is some value to just getting in. The two best teams in the division project to be Vegas and Edmonton, and we saw what happened to them in this years playoffs. As I've said before, this trade is more done for down the road, transitioning the Kings from the Kopitar/Doughty era to the Eichel/QB era but it does give you a little benefit of likely seeing playoff hockey next spring at Staples.

The negative is Eichel isn't the same player he was in Buffalo. The Kings would do due diligence medically and wouldn't trade for him if he is damaged goods so I'm less worried about a career ending injury, but he certainly could be a lesser player (say like a RyJo himself) and the doctors and medical tests might not be able to identify that before the trade. Also there is the chance that QB is RyJo too. The Kings could win with with a RyJo caliber 2C in QB or Eichel playing behind an elite 1C caliber Eichel or QB but it's obviously a much tougher challenge than having 2 elite 1C's. Also, in that scenario once QB's contract is up you have a $10m 2nd line center no longer being eased by the 1C on an ELC. For the next three years having three players making $10m a year, especially two on the wrong side of 30 isn't ideal either and kind of limits Blake. The good news on that front is the most likely Kings that would be needing potentially big extensions if all goes well would be QB and Kaliyev, and they will both be FA's when Kopitar's contract expires. If that final year of Kopitar's contract has QB as the 2C, Kaliyev as a scoring line winger and Kopitar as the 3C their cap hits would be a combined $12 million, that is more than manageable


3. Attempt to bring in players still in the primes of their career on shorter term bigger money deals and/or trade for secondary or depth players from cap strapped teams.

I see almost no benefit in this if the goal is to eventually compete for SC's, but it's being discussed a lot here with some people close to the team saying it might be the path they go down.

The positive is this keeps Doughty from running his mouth and you don't have to give up any of your prospect capital? If you sign Brandon Saad, sign or trade for a 2nd pairing d-man you can possibly sneak into a WC or 3 seed, as discussed above the division is going to be a joke. I think the chances of making a run are less than the big trade scenario one would be, because it's Kopitar and a rookie QB as the likely centers as opposed to Eichel and Kopitar. This gives the Kings more cap flexibility going forward and more time to evaluate prospects to see how they project. Blake would have a better chance to evaluate what he's giving up and not miss out on trading Vilardi right before he becomes a 20-40 type player or Turcotte if he turned into a modern day Mike Richards. However there is also a chance that guys like Turcotte, Kupari and Vilardi could see their stock fall next season, no guarantee it goes up.

The negatives. You enter into black hole territory for the next couple of years, no Stanley Cups and no top picks. You still don't have anyone young that projects as truly elite outside of QB and you are looking at picking in the teens for the next couple of years making it very difficult to find a franchise talent in the draft, so you're likely adding even more secondary pieces to an already muddled prospect pool filled with them. If that is to stockpile more prospects to increase the prospect capital and make a trade in 2-3 years there is no guarantee that anyone even resembling a star is on the market, and almost zero chance a player as good as Eichel is available. There is a realistic chance Kopitar begins to fall off with no veteran center to pick up his role, and a Kopitar fall-off negates any positive a Brandon Saad or any Tampa player may bring and KO's any playoff hopes but not enough to fall into a position to draft really high (unless we win the lottery).

I didn't include signing someone like Landeskog, someone is going to give him 7 years at the money he wants, which the Kings are unlikely to do even if they could, and the Kings would have to offer significantly more than anyone else to get him to come to a bad team that plays 50 games a year in a state with a a 12% state income tax. Same thing with Hamilton, and the rumors on him anyways are that it might be a sign and trade to get the 8 years. Sorry but giving guys in their late 20's 7 or 8 year deals and in Hamilton's case giving stuff up, no thanks and unlikely anyways.

Wow! I spent my entire lunch break today reading this!:laugh:
 
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