Speculation: 2020-21 LA Kings News/Rumors/Roster Discussion Part II

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It's an actual children v. adopted/step-children thing.

Everyone gets attached to the draft picks since, like a child, the future is limitless. You watch shitty quality clips from the WHL/AHL/OHL websites and follow box scores for a couple of years only to see the guy get moved for someone who "isn't a King". Hell, the Kingsgif guy on Twitter regularly posts good plays by Toffoli and Martinez even though they are on other teams.

Richards had the most team success here in LA but he still seems like a Flyer since his best seasons were there. Since he "isn't a King", it gets easier to diminish his contributions since it was brief and he wasn't ever the best player on the team and those better players are all generally actual children v. the adopted ones. Carter stuck around long enough to where I think he is remembered as a King but Richards time here was so brief and ended in such an ugly fashion that some people dismiss his contributions. Like, I love Wayne Simmonds and was amped on Schenn but they aren't winning in 2012 with those guys. Schenn didn't do jack shit in the league for quite some time.

Maybe but you look at how Deadmarsh is treated compared to Richards. Deader never won squat, and it’s a never ending “oh he coulda been the greatest King of all time, we love that guy!”

The Kings were the Clippers of the NHL for a long time, couldn’t even win it with Gretzky, and had terrible GMs, some were former King players. At some point people will catch on that other things are more important for the organization than winning.
 
There’s a fascination with people that never win anything in the Kings org vs those that have. There’s a number of players that get more love than Richards on here that only lasted a couple seasons and never won squat.

Richards wasn’t flashy or have that larger than life personality, he was all business. If you watched the Kings run in 2012-2014, those three seasons, Richards always made the right pass, in the right position, won face offs, scored timely goals etc. Without that, the Kings wouldn’t beat Vancouver, or defeat the sharks being down 3-0 and still be cupless.
There's very few people around here who are critical of Mike Richards. Very few.

I kind of feel the opposite of how you feel. I see Kopitar and Brown constantly getting shit on, despite the fact they've probably contributed more to this organization than just about any other players. And there's usually a correlation between those who shit on them, and those who are Mike Richards fanboys. Present company excepted of course :)

And no matter what anyone says, the Kings were a worse off team after they traded for Richards. That's just a fact.
 
There's very few people around here who are critical of Mike Richards. Very few.

I kind of feel the opposite of how you feel. I see Kopitar and Brown constantly getting shit on, despite the fact they've probably contributed more to this organization than just about any other players. And there's usually a correlation between those who shit on them, and those who are Mike Richards fanboys. Present company excepted of course :)

And no matter what anyone says, the Kings were a worse off team after they traded for Richards. That's just a fact.

Sorry. It's an opinion. Nobody can say for certain that Schenn + Simmonds would have won the cup in 2012 and/or 2014.

The Kings won the cup with Richards. That's all I know. So I'll take that trade any day of the week.
 
Tarasenko, Garland, Reinhart, Eichel, Fiala, Jones...

There are always good to great players available. They won't dry up this summer, best idea is still to be patient and gauge the development of the key prospects and make improvements that address the lack of competitive nature in the current group.

I'd absolutely make a trade for Garland.
- Good chemistry with Moore for Team USA
- Skilled
- Pain in the ass. A poor man's version of Tkachuk
- Wouldn't cost nearly as much as other names people are calling for
- Fits the age range and position of what the Kings need.
 
Maybe but you look at how Deadmarsh is treated compared to Richards. Deader never won squat, and it’s a never ending “oh he coulda been the greatest King of all time, we love that guy!”

The Kings were the Clippers of the NHL for a long time, couldn’t even win it with Gretzky, and had terrible GMs, some were former King players. At some point people will catch on that other things are more important for the organization than winning.

I don't know man, I feel like Richards has quite the loyal following on this board. I feel like there were many people here who couldn't see what was right in front of them towards the end. I mean, I respect the hell out of your opinion, but I have no idea how you could have watched that guy play in the 2013-2014 season and defended anything he did on the ice. I suspect you were letting feelings get the better of your judgement of the player, and hey it happens to all of us, I get it, I was that way with Jack Johnson, when his career stalled I had a tough time accepting it because I was so emotionally invested in the player. And you were not alone, there were many, who IMO were grasping for positives when there just weren't many. It was just painful to watch, the mind was still there and he could occasionally make a play in the offensive zone but physically it was over and defensively, even with the Kings strong defensive structure it was a disaster most nights, no matter who Sutter put him with. But a lot of people had trouble letting go, there were posts before he was demoted to the AHL calling for Richards and Carter to be put back together.

That being said, Richards solved a massive issue for the Kings when DL acquired him in the summer of 2011. The Kings were ready to compete and get to the next level but Stoll was clearly never going to be the answer as a 2C. The Kings waited for years for him to find any kind of offensive game but it became apparent that his big offensive season for the Oilers as a 23 year old was a once in a career type season. And Schenn while a good prospect was never going to be the type of game changer you hope to take with a pick that high. I see him similarly to how I see Turcotte, a solid 2nd liner but I think the hype due to draft position outweighed the reality of what he was going to end up being as a player. Prospects like this should not be adored or labeled untouchable when it comes to bringing in a player like Richards (or better). Schenn did not really establish himself as a 2nd liner (the role the Kings would have needed him to play) until 2016 and that would have done the Kings no good because their window was shut by then.

John, you are right that Richards was not the move that put the Kings over the top but I think you sell his importance short in 2012 and 2013. Had the Kings traded for Carter and put him at 2C the same hole (goal-scoring wing) would still have been there. If they had played Carter on the wing with Stoll the 2C hole is still there. The results both in regular season and playoffs would have been the same had the Kings acquired Carter first and Richards at the deadline. I think your point is valid that perhaps DL should have originally targeted Carter instead of Richards when both were available, but that was not in DL's DNA. Even though Richards only provided the Kings with 2 seasons of high level hockey, it was still a good trade because sports is the ultimate results oriented business and the results were there for the Kings. Had you told anyone here in June 2011 that Richards would contribute significantly to 6 series wins and a SC before collapsing as a player, everyone would have taken it even if Schenn and Simmonds developed into huge stars, which neither did. In the big picture of winning SC's it doesn't matter if it's two good seasons and a cup in season 1, or six good seasons and a cup in season 5, the trade is evaluated on championships he contributed to, and he contributed in 2012 in a big way as a secondary piece.

As far as Deadmarsh, he is a lot like Richards in many ways. Deadmarsh won, he won a SC and went deep in the playoffs with Colorado many times. He was on Team USA and contributed and played a solid role in Team USA's biggest international win since Lake Placid, he also won a silver in the 2002 Olympics. Deadmarsh like Richards was the ultimate complimentary piece to a team, he could score, he was good all around, he was physical, he could fight, he'd run through a wall for his teammates but no NHL team is winning a SC with Adam Deadmarsh as a key foundational piece. He won a SC because he played with Sakic, Forsberg, Roy etc and was a great compliment to them. And I think one part of the Deadmarsh equation and how Kings fans feel is that his career ended abruptly right as he was probably hitting his peak, he had 13 goals in the first 20 games of his 27 year old season. It was possible that Deadmarsh paired with Allison and Palffy in that era that suited him could have been near the top of the league in goals, but instead it ended in a flash with no significant team success.

Carter and Richards were wonderful secondary pieces for the Kings, but they won SC's because they came to a team that had Anze Kopitar, Drew Doughty and Jonathan Quick in the primes of their career. I know they went to the finals as a 8 seed with Philly, but they got in by winning a shootout and making it as the 18th best team, then had a pretty favorable bracket avoiding some of the best teams in the East. If you want to say Richards and Carter could have won SC's as key pieces going forward based on 2010 then you have to say the same thing about Suzuki and Caufield after this year, I love both players but I am not ready to do that, atleast not right now, there is a lot of luck and variance in NHL playoff runs.

In closing, my take on Richards is always the same, he spent four years in LA and it's a yin and yang thing with the first two and the final two being polar opposite. But ultimately it was win trade for the Kings even if the return was only for 2 seasons of good hockey.

But making this tied in to the current Kings, this is where the whole talent vs. culture debate comes in and what comes first the chicken or the egg? Some want to get the culture first, then add the talent. I'm more in the Kings/Pens/Hawks way of doing it, of getting the stars and then adding the character secondary pieces once the foundation is laid with Hall of Fame talent. I just don't think as of right now any kind of character secondary piece, even one as good as Richards is going to move the needle for the Kings going forward because there is a lack of a high end foundation in the prospect pool of which to build on. Even if we assume QB hits, and I am pretty confident in thinking he is the answer at 1C. Who is the #1 d-man? who is the #2 d-man? Who is the #1 goalie? Who are the highly skilled wingers to play with QB? I just get surprised that most are so reluctant to trade for a potential foundational piece, seeing how much a win it was trading prospects and a young player for a good secondary piece. The Kings desperately need to get QB someone that can be his Doughty and Quick to Kopitar, his Malkin and Fleury to Crosby, his Keith and Kane to Toews.
 
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Tarasenko makes sense for a team like the Panthers or Hurricanes that need just another piece or two to be an actual contender.

Totally pointless for the Kings to trade for a high injury risk player that's almost 30 with 1 year remaining. That would be making a deal just to make a deal.

Kings need young established players with a little term. Players that will still be here in 5 years producing when the Kings window is hopefully wide open. There's a couple good ones in Buffalo.
 
They weren't even going to make the playoffs with that trade.

Richards is one of the most overrated players of his generation.

I know you like that type of player. But the Kings overvalued him.

Richards defined and changed the teams identity with one playoff hit in 2012.
Vancouver played scared the rest of the series.

But hey, I'm sure Bryden Schenn would've lead this team to the promise land , in between concussions I suppose.
 
Tarasenko makes sense for a team like the Panthers or Hurricanes that need just another piece or two to be an actual contender.

Totally pointless for the Kings to trade for a high injury risk player that's almost 30 with 1 year remaining. That would be making a deal just to make a deal.

Kings need young established players with a little term. Players that will still be here in 5 years producing when the Kings window is hopefully wide open. There's a couple good ones in Buffalo.

This would be Lucic 2.0, but without the playoff team around him.
 
I've posted this before, but Richards in the playoffs with the Kings outscored both Schenn and Simmonds combined in their post season runs in Philly.

That should settle any debate about playoff impact.

Agree. Simmonds is a perenial playoff choker on every team he's been on. he has no game past game 82. He's played 51 playoff games and has a whopping 8 goals and 14 assist. Hasn't scored a goal in 21 straight games going back 5 years.
 
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I think the depth, variety and pure high end skill level of the Kings prospect pool is being maligned here because it lacks a specific type of player that frankly is sexier than valuable.

Next to nobody has a pool that includes likely #1 centers, defensemen, wingers and goaltenders. It just doesn't happen. The Kings have their potential 1c now, two very high end forwards in Turcotte and Kaliyev, a terrific collection of depth forwards who favor offensive hockey, and several longterm swings at the fences.

The defensive mix is outstanding. There are a half dozen who project to be likely NHLers, two of which who are already regulars.

The big take away is that the Kings haven't been bad enough that long to have all the bases covered. The majority of their prospect pool has come from just the last three drafts, and expecting to see a clear cut stud in every position is misguided, and its especially unsound to use that as an excuse to gut a plan you have just committed to because you aren't seeing fruit dangling from saplings.

The Kings had glaring holes, and to Blake and his scouting team's credit, they chose to get the house in order first before looking for gamebreakers.
 
Tarasenko makes sense for a team like the Panthers or Hurricanes that need just another piece or two to be an actual contender.

Totally pointless for the Kings to trade for a high injury risk player that's almost 30 with 1 year remaining. That would be making a deal just to make a deal.

Kings need young established players with a little term. Players that will still be here in 5 years producing when the Kings window is hopefully wide open. There's a couple good ones in Buffalo.
If the Blues are looking to pay to move Tarasenko's 7.5 AAV out I'm fine with it. Not giving anything up though. Blake, you better not think about swapping 1sts!

Hurricanes, have Slavin, Pence, Skjei, Bean to protect & are probably going 7/3. They may also lose Hamilton. Maybe the Kings could pick up Bean by taking on Gardiner's 4 AAV for 2 years. This would free up space for them to add a free agent to fill the hole created after the expansion.

Picking up an extra defender would move the Kings to an 8 skaters & expose Brown & Moore. Not great, but also not the end of the world.
 
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I think the depth, variety and pure high end skill level of the Kings prospect pool is being maligned here because it lacks a specific type of player that frankly is sexier than valuable.

Next to nobody has a pool that includes likely #1 centers, defensemen, wingers and goaltenders. It just doesn't happen. The Kings have their potential 1c now, two very high end forwards in Turcotte and Kaliyev, a terrific collection of depth forwards who favor offensive hockey, and several longterm swings at the fences.

The defensive mix is outstanding. There are a half dozen who project to be likely NHLers, two of which who are already regulars.

The big take away is that the Kings haven't been bad enough that long to have all the bases covered. The majority of their prospect pool has come from just the last three drafts, and expecting to see a clear cut stud in every position is misguided, and its especially unsound to use that as an excuse to gut a plan you have just committed to because you aren't seeing fruit dangling from saplings.

The Kings had glaring holes, and to Blake and his scouting team's credit, they chose to get the house in order first before looking for gamebreakers.

So how do they get the true game breakers?

Are the Kings going to suck enough the next two years to be near the top of the draft to draft players like that? If that is the plan I am cool with it, lets tell Drew we are sticking with the slow rebuild and hope he wasn't bluffing and ok's a move to a contender. Kopitar, Doughty, Quick, Kane, Toews, Keith, Malkin, Crosby, Fleury, Stamkos, Hedman, Kucherov were all drafted by their teams, with 8 of the 12 being Top 4 picks. So that is the best true and tested way of adding game-breaking foundational players. And there are certainly a few potential franchise altering players in the next couple of drafts after this one that could be someone you put with QB and have 2 dominant centers going forward. I agree with your sentiment that they haven't had a ton of time to cover all the bases, but the bases are not secondary players, the Kings are loaded with secondary players, the bases are 1 more elite forward and 1 more elite defender. Goaltending you can solve in other ways, especially with a Bill Ranford as coach, although I wouldn't mind them even addressing that this year with Wallstedt rather than adding yet another future 2nd liner or 2nd pairing defender. I am usually against drafting goalies high but this draft is just different with how poor it projects. But if the rumors of bringing in 27-30 year old 2nd liners and 2nd pairing defenders on short term contracts is true, it's unlikely the Kings will suck that bad barring a Doughty injury or trade. If it's trade or FA, those types of players that have traditionally been needed to build a dominant team with a multi-year championship window just very rarely if ever hit the trade market, that is what makes the Eichel situation so unique, we may not see a player of his age and caliber hit the market again through Byfield's entire prime, not hyperbole its just rare for a star 1C his age to be available. Or do you want to add the game-breaker through UFA? Most young stars sign long term 2nd contracts that puts their UFA age anywhere between 27 and 30, most of those players choose to re-sign again with their current teams and the ones that do hit the market you are competing with the entire league and LA has traditionally not been a destination for FA's for a variety of reasons. Would you be open to Blake just saying F it and if Landeskog is on the market offering him a 7 year deal for more than any other team? The Kings could do it with all their players on ELC's and many of them not ending until the same summer Kopitar is off the books. It's possible but idk seems unlikely.

It just seems that Blake has 3 options he has to figure out this summer.

1. He can tear it down more and try and pick very high the next 2-3 years.

This is the same thing as staying the course assuming Doughty isn't BS'ing and requests a trade in mid-July if the roster is still trash. This continues the trend of how the Kings played to finish out last season, where they were one of the worst teams in the league over the final 20 games. This strategy can probably get Blake out of the Doughty contract which could be a negative contract by the time the team might be able to contend again. Kopitar finishes out his final productive years in a mentor role to Byfield and all the other young players, someone you can still market ticket sales around, put on billboards etc. Not unlike the role Getzlaf had in Anaheim. The best case scenario here is you are really bad and get atleast one superstar prospect between 2022 and 2023, two would be gravy but if you get say 1 star forward in one draft then pick say around 4-7 in another draft and get a potential 1D all the holes are filled with guys under 23. The players at the top of these drafts are likely immediate NHL'ers at 18 who could be capable of being difference makers almost right away. We are talking better prospects than QB, this also gives you insurance if QB isn't a huge star that you have another guy with just as good or even a better chance. The Kings rebuild right now is very very heavily dependent on QB being a stud 1C, if he is anything less than a star 1C its very likely doomed because there isn't another potential 1C in the system.

The worst case scenario, other than drafting a bust (unlikely) is the team either somehow overachieves or there are a lot of bad teams trying to do the same thing. Buffalo and Seattle for instance could both be really bad next year. But a Kings team without Doughty would be Buffalo level bad. You also are at the mercy of the lottery, 2022 and 2023 looks like its going to have 3 potential superstars in each draft, you could finish 3rd behind Buffalo and Seattle and miss out due to the lottery. There is also concern about promoting losing, but many of the best players in the league entered into losing situations and came out of it ok. Blake would have to keep Kopitar and would probably do what DL did and bring in older vets who are good in the room and good around young players.


2. He can trade his significant prospect capital, specifically the overflow of likely 2nd line centers for a current and future 1C in Jack Eichel.

As has been discussed here a ton, there are certainly valid risks, but it's a rare opportunity that Blake probably won't be presented with again in the rest of his time as Kings GM. The positive scenario is Eichel returns to the level he played at before as he enters his prime and QB develops into a Barkov caliber player (probably his ceiling). The Kings have no concerns at the most important and valuable position on a roster, essentially having two 1C's (between Eichel, Kopitar and then QB taking over for AK) for the next 5 seasons minimum to build around. QB likely doesn't see a top checking center or top pair d-man much at all in his first 3 years and has limited defensive responsibility until AK leaves. Eichel's contract would end at age 29, giving Blake the possibility of re-signing him and having some good years left with what is hopefully by then another stud star center in QB, a big difference than if Eichel were say 27. Wingers are easier to acquire through trade, UFA and later in the draft than C's like this are. If QB reaches potential and Eichel is the same player he was in Buffalo the wingers don't even have to be great with C's like that. If your 2C projects as someone like Vilardi, Turcotte or Kupari as it does now you will have to likely put a very good winger on that line for it to be an offensive juggernaut. Again those are easier to acquire than centers, but as evidenced by the Kings the last 15 years, they don't grow on trees either. Another thing to consider, the Kings aren't going to be cup favorites next year, no matter who they add, but this allows the Kings to keep Doughty and Kopitar and with the addition of Eichel it's very likely the Kings get a wildcard if not a 3 seed in the pacific. With players like those 3, plus if maybe a few things go right like Kaliyev or Vilardi emerge as a solid wingers next to Eichel and maybe Kempe finally figures it out, on the backend Toby and Anderson could potentially take a step this year, especially Toby. If that happens the Kings atleast give themselves a fighters chance. As witnessed by Montreal this year there is some value to just getting in. The two best teams in the division project to be Vegas and Edmonton, and we saw what happened to them in this years playoffs. As I've said before, this trade is more done for down the road, transitioning the Kings from the Kopitar/Doughty era to the Eichel/QB era but it does give you a little benefit of likely seeing playoff hockey next spring at Staples.

The negative is Eichel isn't the same player he was in Buffalo. The Kings would do due diligence medically and wouldn't trade for him if he is damaged goods so I'm less worried about a career ending injury, but he certainly could be a lesser player (say like a RyJo himself) and the doctors and medical tests might not be able to identify that before the trade. Also there is the chance that QB is RyJo too. The Kings could win with with a RyJo caliber 2C in QB or Eichel playing behind an elite 1C caliber Eichel or QB but it's obviously a much tougher challenge than having 2 elite 1C's. Also, in that scenario once QB's contract is up you have a $10m 2nd line center no longer being eased by the 1C on an ELC. For the next three years having three players making $10m a year, especially two on the wrong side of 30 isn't ideal either and kind of limits Blake. The good news on that front is the most likely Kings that would be needing potentially big extensions if all goes well would be QB and Kaliyev, and they will both be FA's when Kopitar's contract expires. If that final year of Kopitar's contract has QB as the 2C, Kaliyev as a scoring line winger and Kopitar as the 3C their cap hits would be a combined $12 million, that is more than manageable


3. Attempt to bring in players still in the primes of their career on shorter term bigger money deals and/or trade for secondary or depth players from cap strapped teams.

I see almost no benefit in this if the goal is to eventually compete for SC's, but it's being discussed a lot here with some people close to the team saying it might be the path they go down.

The positive is this keeps Doughty from running his mouth and you don't have to give up any of your prospect capital? If you sign Brandon Saad, sign or trade for a 2nd pairing d-man you can possibly sneak into a WC or 3 seed, as discussed above the division is going to be a joke. I think the chances of making a run are less than the big trade scenario one would be, because it's Kopitar and a rookie QB as the likely centers as opposed to Eichel and Kopitar. This gives the Kings more cap flexibility going forward and more time to evaluate prospects to see how they project. Blake would have a better chance to evaluate what he's giving up and not miss out on trading Vilardi right before he becomes a 20-40 type player or Turcotte if he turned into a modern day Mike Richards. However there is also a chance that guys like Turcotte, Kupari and Vilardi could see their stock fall next season, no guarantee it goes up.

The negatives. You enter into black hole territory for the next couple of years, no Stanley Cups and no top picks. You still don't have anyone young that projects as truly elite outside of QB and you are looking at picking in the teens for the next couple of years making it very difficult to find a franchise talent in the draft, so you're likely adding even more secondary pieces to an already muddled prospect pool filled with them. If that is to stockpile more prospects to increase the prospect capital and make a trade in 2-3 years there is no guarantee that anyone even resembling a star is on the market, and almost zero chance a player as good as Eichel is available. There is a realistic chance Kopitar begins to fall off with no veteran center to pick up his role, and a Kopitar fall-off negates any positive a Brandon Saad or any Tampa player may bring and KO's any playoff hopes but not enough to fall into a position to draft really high (unless we win the lottery).

I didn't include signing someone like Landeskog, someone is going to give him 7 years at the money he wants, which the Kings are unlikely to do even if they could, and the Kings would have to offer significantly more than anyone else to get him to come to a bad team that plays 50 games a year in a state with a a 12% state income tax. Same thing with Hamilton, and the rumors on him anyways are that it might be a sign and trade to get the 8 years. Sorry but giving guys in their late 20's 7 or 8 year deals and in Hamilton's case giving stuff up, no thanks and unlikely anyways.
 
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Looking over some LD UFAs and which ones are flying under the radar. Came up with a list of potential cheap UFAs. *These are potential depth signings and should not be confused with must haves to build a contender.

Focused on LD UFAs:

Jake McCabe: Poor guy torn up him knee and had COVID, but took it all in stride and is ready to skate in July. After he got injured Sabers went on that horrid 18 game losing streak. We had luck buying low on injured players in the past could be a good one here if he fully recovers and plays a shutdown role.

Mike Reilly:Bounced around quite a bit. But at 27 just had a career year. Good puck mover, not a big scoring threat but a decent replacement in case we lose Clague.

Erik Gustafsson: Getting some playoff experiance, provides a bit more offense and experiance. Not top end of course but nice add to a Roy type. Very similar to Maatta maybe?

Jamie Oleksiak: 6'7" LD Maybe not flying completely under the radar but he would be one of the first calls to get him to sign.


We can always try to bring back Martinez, Forbort or Hutton but the LD market for high end D is thin this year.
 
Could a Trade Involve Matthew Tkachuk for Vladimir Tarasenko?

I think the Blues will move Tarasenko and the rumors of tkachuk wanting out of Calary and wanting to play for his home town of St Louis have some merit. Of course the Blues would have to add some key pieces, but that is a more viable option than the Kings. And of course if the Flames move him, there would be teams that have pieces/picks to offer.

I think given the Kings will make some moves, but don't see Tarasenko a good fit for this stage of their development.
 
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It would be crazy ironic for the Kings to trade for a 30, coming of 2 shoulder surgeries, year old Tarasenko rather than picking the 18 year old Tarasenko like a lot of us were hoping for.

I’d be very torn since Tank is one of my favorite non King players, but just seems out of the age range they should shoot for. Unless they get him cheap.
 
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It would be crazy ironic for the Kings to trade for a 30, coming of 2 shoulder surgeries, year old Tarasenko rather than picking the 18 year old Tarasenko like a lot of us were hoping for.

I’d be very torn since Tank is one of my favorite non King players, but just seems out of the age range they should shoot for. Unless they get him cheap.

Another injury risk type. There are some benefits on buying low, he can play a "mentor role" to Kaliyev and Tkachyov but he needs to play in our top 6 and produce. 2 years at 7.5 + aquiring costs is still steep with a NTC. So we can't trade him in 1 1/2 years at the TDL eithier without his approval.

He would be a perfect fit on a bubble team with assets and some cap space that needs to make a push.
 
I don’t like Blake. But he’s done a solid job as GM with his trades and growing the prospects list. Not the team itself though - and definitely not coaches. Overall he’s done well IMO with the rebuilding. But that’s by far the easy part. Going forward is the difficult stage in the process.

I hope he succeeds in this next stage and going forward. I’m not going to be bitter and let old feelings have me root against him. I’m stuck since he has the keys to my hockey team.
 
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Tarasenko makes sense for a team like the Panthers or Hurricanes that need just another piece or two to be an actual contender.

Totally pointless for the Kings to trade for a high injury risk player that's almost 30 with 1 year remaining. That would be making a deal just to make a deal.

Kings need young established players with a little term. Players that will still be here in 5 years producing when the Kings window is hopefully wide open. There's a couple good ones in Buffalo.

would your mind change if he had two years left, because he does.
 
Could a Trade Involve Matthew Tkachuk for Vladimir Tarasenko?

I think the Blues will move Tarasenko and the rumors of tkachuk wanting out of Calary and wanting to play for his home town of St Louis have some merit. Of course the Blues would have to add some key pieces, but that is a more viable option than the Kings. And of course if the Flames move him, there would be teams that have pieces/picks to offer.

I think given the Kings will make some moves, but don't see Tarasenko a good fit for this stage of their development.

man would St. Louis need to add to that big time. Like Thomas big time.
 
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The Athletic’s recent article about the Kings dream offseason put forward three key moves.

1. Add at least one top line winger, with Saad given as an example
2. Add a top LHD, with Werenski given as an example
3. Trade the 8OA pick as part of a larger deal to get a difference maker

I assume that move 3 is done as part of the players acquired in moves one and two. And this somewhat aligns with what the Mayor has been saying about the Kings plans, with the difference being that he thinks two forwards come in the offseason. One top line winger and one winger to improve the bottom six. The mayor thinks the LHD is something that gets done by the TDL and isn’t a move that needs to get done before camp. It would hinge on the teams playoff position.

What I take away from all this is that the strategic focus is to get pieces that can play with Kopitar and also with Doughty. So basically trying to squeeze more out of those two is the big hope, while also hoping the rest of the roster also improves from within.

It’s not a bad strategy per se. But it seems short sighted and reads like management is focused on making the playoffs by injecting talent. But the team had talent like Kovalchuk, Toffoli, Martinez and by all appearances Carter as soon as he left. And the results were poor.

So I guess not only will Blake and company look to inject talent, that talent will need to directly help Kopitar and Doughty and provide the leadership intangibles to teach the kids how to win. Seems like a tall order. And at the end of the day, if it were Saad and Werenski acquired in the offseason, I think your best case, most likely outcome is a wild card seed based on playing in a weak division. And worst case, you end up at the bottom of the division again due to either injuries to key players and/or lack of growth from within.

I think the only way forward which puts a long term foundation in place is to maximize everything possible that accelerates growth from within. But everything to date points to a continuance of attempted short term fixes achieved by taking a series of half measure moves.
 
In closing, my take on Richards is always the same, he spent four years in LA and it's a yin and yang thing with the first two and the final two being polar opposite. But ultimately it was win trade for the Kings even if the return was only for 2 seasons of good hockey.

Good post, but I am curious on your take of Richards decline here in LA. Do you think it was injuries / addiction or he lost that loving feeling for the game? All through his struggles I never felt like he was mailing it in and not giving it 100%. I think that is what keeps him, Deadmarsh and even Lappy as all time favorites was the warrior spirit they had as to say a Ziggy Palffy who by all means was a tough dude (ex Lappy's slapper to his jaw while on the bench) but is more thought of for scoring.
 
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Thanks, and thanks as well for the reply,

I don't think it had anything to do with mailing it in or compete level, and I tried to always say that even in 2014 when I was heavily criticizing his play and wondering why he was still in the lineup. Mike Richards never cheated the Kings on the ice, even watching him really struggle and stick out like a sore thumb in that Chicago series in 2014 you could tell he was still competing and trying his best, but much like my parents 13 year old dog who still wants to play with the younger ones, he just physically wasn't able to keep up anymore. I think anyone old enough to remember Dmitri Khristich or the disgraceful effort Ryan Smyth gave with one foot out the door in 2011 knows what someone not giving a crap looks like and that wasn't MR. Some people speculate the drug addiction and possible alcohol problems but I assume MR wasn't the only player in the NHL with drug/pain killer and/or alcohol problems, but very few collapse so much so fast. I think his body just completely broke down on him due to style of play and the injuries that came with it. He was under 6' and under 200 but played a pretty violent and demanding style of hockey and played a lot of games over the years. I think Philly knew his play was beginning to drop off and that is why they traded him, more-so than any cultural or lockerroom issues. I remember even thinking his first season here, that he's is still a good player but he doesn't look like the Richards I was used to seeing in Philly who was a legit star player good enough to make Team Canada in an Olympic tourney, I don't think MR would have made Team Canada if the Olympics had been in 2012. But that was ok, with AK here I just accepted the fact that maybe instead of having two 1C's the Kings will have have AK and an upper echelon 2C, and indeed that was enough to win in 2012 with Richards having some great moments in the playoffs.

I wish nothing but the best for him, he did some great things for the Kings. It's unfortunate the buyout didn't happen and we didn't end it with a positive memory. It was tough to see him try and come back that next fall and eventually leave DL with no choice but to send him to the AHL which was tough for everyone to see and tough on the lockerroom. Then the border thing which was embarrassing for him and embarrassing for DL & the organization, and still hurting the Kings for the next decade. This is pure speculation but I wonder if MR might hold a bit of a grudge towards the Kings with the AHL demotion and the attempt to deny him close to $30m in salary, again pure speculation and maybe he'd just rather live a quiet life on the lake (who can blame him!). When they have a 2012 reunion I hope he is there, if anything just for his teammates and the fans, even if he is still bitter towards DL and the franchise for the aftermath of the border incident.
 
The Athletic’s recent article about the Kings dream offseason put forward three key moves.

1. Add at least one top line winger, with Saad given as an example
2. Add a top LHD, with Werenski given as an example
3. Trade the 8OA pick as part of a larger deal to get a difference maker

You are definitely done rebuilding now. Landeskog is likely to resign with the Avs but if you guys cogh up 10 million per, who knows. Not sure Saad will contribute much to justify what he will be signed for. Landeskog will be perfect for all top prospects coming up right now. Also letting Iafallo and Kempe grow into their real roles as second and third left winger (on a top team).

Ekman Larsson at 6.5 (retainer is 1.75) is what I should have tried with giving up Youthanasia, Moore, Lizotte and not more. Good pieces for Arizona now. Lesser pieces for you.

Man, doesn't goalie Wallstedt with the eight pick look perfect? Best goalie prospect from Sweden since Henrik Lundqvist. Much Sweden here, I know.


Landeskog - Kopitar - Turcotte
Iafallo - Byfield - Brown
Kempe - Vilardi - Kaliyev
Lemieux - Anderson-Dolan - Wagner

Määttä - Doughty
Ekman Larsson - Roy
Anderson - Walker
Björnfot

Quick / Petersen
 
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