Speculation: 2020-21 LA Kings News/Rumors/Roster Discussion Part II

[Raccoon Jesus]

They weren't even going to make the playoffs with that trade.

Richards is one of the most overrated players of his generation.

I know you like that type of player. But the Kings overvalued him.

It was pretty clear the injuries and other factors wore him down but don't mistake fading performance for 'overrated.' The guy was a major impact player on one of the most steamrolling Stanley Cup performers of all time and one of the few guys to win as much as he has. It's pretty clear to most of us why.

Schenn as a 2C that year would have been disastrous and the Carter move may never have happened.

 

[bland]

They weren't even going to make the playoffs with that trade.

Richards is one of the most overrated players of his generation.

I know you like that type of player. But the Kings overvalued him.

Richards was the single biggest difference on ice between the team that couldn't get out of the first round and the team that won two Cups and made three straight Conference Finals.

Series record with Richards: 10-1

Core without Richards: 10-5

Kopitar, Doughty, Brown and Quick have only ever won 5 playoff games without Richards in the lineup.

The man was a serial winner. He literally won everything there is to win. His ability to perform at the highest level when it matters most, and to encourage and deliver it from others is legendary.

Some stars burn their brightest and fade quickly. Don't mistake a longevity of mediocrity as more valuable than a brief period of pure excellence.

 

[johnjm22]

It was pretty clear the injuries and other factors wore him down but don't mistake fading performance for 'overrated.' The guy was a major impact player on one of the most steamrolling Stanley Cup performers of all time and one of the few guys to win as much as he has. It's pretty clear to most of us why.

Schenn as a 2C that year would have been disastrous and the Carter move may never have happened.

You're bias because he played for the Kings. He's in Jonathan Toews territory, except that Toews actually has led a team to the cup. Something Richards never did.

Dean had first dibs, and he could've had Carter. He chose wrong.

But ultimately he was able to get Carter for almost nothing later, so he made up for it.

 

[johnjm22]

Richards was the single biggest difference on ice between the team that couldn't get out of the first round and the team that won two Cups and made three straight Conference Finals.

Series record with Richards: 10-1

Core without Richards: 10-5

Kopitar, Doughty, Brown and Quick have only ever won 5 playoff games without Richards in the lineup.

The man was a serial winner. He literally won everything there is to win. His ability to perform at the highest level when it matters most, and to encourage and deliver it from others is legendary.

Some stars burn their brightest and fade quickly. Don't mistake a longevity of mediocrity as more valuable than a brief period of pure excellence.

This is nonsense and you know it. Correlation does not equal causality.

The biggest difference was clearly Carter and Sutter. It's not even debatable.

I'm not saying Richards wasn't good BTW. He was. Just overrated and the Kings overvalued him.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I've posted this before, but Richards in the playoffs with the Kings outscored both Schenn and Simmonds combined in their post season runs in Philly.

That should settle any debate about playoff impact.

 

[King'sPawn]

Well, it's the offseason. Time for the hot takes we can't conveniently overlook.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

You're bias because he played for the Kings. He's in Jonathan Toews territory, except that Toews actually has led a team to the cup. Something Richards never did.

Dean had first dibs, and he could've had Carter. He chose wrong.

But ultimately he was able to get Carter for almost nothing later, so he made up for it.

Jonathan Toews is excellent company, I'll take that 'criticism' anyday.

And Richards has better seasons and career decorations than even Toews.

 

[raswilliam]

this hit was a turning point for this franchise in my opinion. After years of getting pushed around by Vancouver, this gave the Kings some swagger

 

[DryIslandBartender]

Richards was the single biggest difference on ice between the team that couldn't get out of the first round and the team that won two Cups and made three straight Conference Finals.

Series record with Richards: 10-1

Core without Richards: 10-5

Kopitar, Doughty, Brown and Quick have only ever won 5 playoff games without Richards in the lineup.

The man was a serial winner. He literally won everything there is to win. His ability to perform at the highest level when it matters most, and to encourage and deliver it from others is legendary.

Some stars burn their brightest and fade quickly. Don't mistake a longevity of mediocrity as more valuable than a brief period of pure excellence.

There’s a fascination with people that never win anything in the Kings org vs those that have. There’s a number of players that get more love than Richards on here that only lasted a couple seasons and never won squat.

Richards wasn’t flashy or have that larger than life personality, he was all business. If you watched the Kings run in 2012-2014, those three seasons, Richards always made the right pass, in the right position, won face offs, scored timely goals etc. Without that, the Kings wouldn’t beat Vancouver, or defeat the sharks being down 3-0 and still be cupless.

 

[deaderhead28]

It was pretty clear the injuries and other factors wore him down but don't mistake fading performance for 'overrated.' The guy was a major impact player on one of the most steamrolling Stanley Cup performers of all time and one of the few guys to win as much as he has. It's pretty clear to most of us why.

Schenn as a 2C that year would have been disastrous and the Carter move may never have happened.

Bingo!!!!

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I even agree that the legend of Richards is largely based on intangibles but 1. you can't just ignore the tangibles and 2. at some point, like with Justin Williams and Game 7s, you just have to accept a guy has a little extra something special that defies 'reason.'

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

I don't understand the fascination with belittling the Richards trade. Nobody will ever know what would have happened if we didn't make that trade, but we ALL know what happened when we did. Can't you all just be f***ing happy that we won two cups? I don't get it....

 

[cyclones22]

LMAO, I do that Richards trade 100/100 times even though he only lasted 3+ seasons with the Kings. He was the recipient of at least 2 big concussions while with the Kings. He started 2011/2012 on fire then got concussed. Then got his head smashed by Bolland in 2013. He was productive when healthy, but the guy just exuded confidence and the core guys needed that boost to get over that First Round hump. Richards was an animal in Game 1 vs the Canucks and that got the team rolling. 8 points in the first 2 rounds. I love Carter and I'll never not think of he and Mike Richards together when it comes to their success with the Kings, but Carter didn't come alive until the WCF and SCF which of course was vital, but for the Kings core that never got out of the First Round, they needed some fire to get them out of the gate. Anyway, watch highlights from either Cup run and you're going to see plenty of Richards on the ice during it.

 

[DoktorJeep]

I’m down to trade for Tarasenko if the pieces going the other way are not premium assets. At that level, it’s a low risk move. And he’s the type of player you can see bouncing back from a serious set of injuries. Combine that with a trade for Nate Schmidt that is also basically a salary dump and I’d call it a solid offseason. And at that point, doing another cap dump move for Tyler Johnson would be interesting.

The Kings have just under $20M in free cap. Those three players would take away just under $18.5M. Assuming you don’t resign AA22 and Luff, you have around $1M to sign Moore. And you’ll lose around $1M at least with whoever goes to Seattle. If you were rid of the Quick and Brown cap hits, you could afford to fill out the roster with Hoffman, Saad and Drieger.

Hoffman Kopitar Iafallo
Saad Vilardi Tarasenko
Kempe Byfield Johnson
Moore JAD Lemieux
Wagner Lizotte

Anderson Doughty
Schmidt Roy
Bjornfot Walker
Maata

Petersen
Drieger

 

[BigKing]

There’s a fascination with people that never win anything in the Kings org vs those that have. There’s a number of players that get more love than Richards on here that only lasted a couple seasons and never won squat.

Richards wasn’t flashy or have that larger than life personality, he was all business. If you watched the Kings run in 2012-2014, those three seasons, Richards always made the right pass, in the right position, won face offs, scored timely goals etc. Without that, the Kings wouldn’t beat Vancouver, or defeat the sharks being down 3-0 and still be cupless.

It's an actual children v. adopted/step-children thing.

Everyone gets attached to the draft picks since, like a child, the future is limitless. You watch shitty quality clips from the WHL/AHL/OHL websites and follow box scores for a couple of years only to see the guy get moved for someone who "isn't a King". Hell, the Kingsgif guy on Twitter regularly posts good plays by Toffoli and Martinez even though they are on other teams.

Richards had the most team success here in LA but he still seems like a Flyer since his best seasons were there. Since he "isn't a King", it gets easier to diminish his contributions since it was brief and he wasn't ever the best player on the team and those better players are all generally actual children v. the adopted ones. Carter stuck around long enough to where I think he is remembered as a King but Richards time here was so brief and ended in such an ugly fashion that some people dismiss his contributions. Like, I love Wayne Simmonds and was amped on Schenn but they aren't winning in 2012 with those guys. Schenn didn't do jack shit in the league for quite some time.

 

[Cook24]

Tarasenko=palffy

get it done

 

[LAKings88]

Taresenko is legit but dude is injured all the time. Id hope that would lesson the cost. His injures scare me more than Eichel’s.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Tarasenko: 24 points in 34 games the last 2 seasons isn't a bad scoring rate. Unfortunately he has entered into cap dump territory. 29 & 7.5 AAV is pretty steep. Dunn + 1st would be my ask. Trade would have to take place after the expansion draft. Blues may not protect Krug due to his contract.

Could be similar to a Voracek + Sanheim trade where Voracek is a cap dump.

Against giving up meaningful assets for bridge players that won't be around for the next window. Kings have the cap to take players on, but no reason to spend one of the top 6 or 7 prospects or 2nd or better pick on short term players.

 

[HookKing]

There’s a fascination with people that never win anything in the Kings org vs those that have. There’s a number of players that get more love than Richards on here that only lasted a couple seasons and never won squat.

Richards wasn’t flashy or have that larger than life personality, he was all business. If you watched the Kings run in 2012-2014, those three seasons, Richards always made the right pass, in the right position, won face offs, scored timely goals etc. Without that, the Kings wouldn’t beat Vancouver, or defeat the sharks being down 3-0 and still be cupless.

I did watch it again. Richards wasn't that great. That series was all Brown and Quick. Total beasts.

 

[King'sPawn]

LMAO, I do that Richards trade 100/100 times even though he only lasted 3+ seasons with the Kings. He was the recipient of at least 2 big concussions while with the Kings. He started 2011/2012 on fire then got concussed. Then got his head smashed by Bolland in 2013. He was productive when healthy, but the guy just exuded confidence and the core guys needed that boost to get over that First Round hump. Richards was an animal in Game 1 vs the Canucks and that got the team rolling. 8 points in the first 2 rounds. I love Carter and I'll never not think of he and Mike Richards together when it comes to their success with the Kings, but Carter didn't come alive until the WCF and SCF which of course was vital, but for the Kings core that never got out of the First Round, they needed some fire to get them out of the gate. Anyway, watch highlights from either Cup run and you're going to see plenty of Richards on the ice during it.

Absolutely.

No matter how much Richards fell, I'd make all the trades 100/100 times.

The only regrettable trades came after. Lucic, Sekera, and Bishop.

Those three trades could be defended by different people, but I was tepid on them at best.

 

[unicornpig]

lol at the richards obsession.

 

[bland]

Tarasenko, Garland, Reinhart, Eichel, Fiala, Jones...

There are always good to great players available. They won't dry up this summer, best idea is still to be patient and gauge the development of the key prospects and make improvements that address the lack of competitive nature in the current group.

 

[Stimpythecat]

I'm a little late but I am not only a no but a hell no on Kane.

Kane has the recently reported locker room issues. That and his financial issues in a realistic worst case scenario could end his hockey career. He is staring immigration issues in the face.

The motion, filed by Zions Bancorp, alleges that Kane sold a pair of Rolex watches for $75,000 to pay off gambling debts less than two months before his January bankruptcy filing.

Creditor alleges Evander Kane has 'serious gambling problem' in court filing

Understanding Preference Actions Under Bankruptcy.

that is a textbook bankruptcy preference that the trustee has the fiduciary duty to claw back from the casino. The bankruptcy preference period is 90 days. That means if the report is true, it is now an unpaid casino marker. If it's to a NV casino and we all know how much kane loves vegas, then he is looking at potential felony check fraud charge(s).

Additionally, if there is any truth the bankruptcy fraud accusation, then the bankruptcy court could refer him for criminal prosecution. The dollar amount is certainly high enough.

Evander Kane Accused of Fraud to Keep $600,000 From Creditors

Just ask Lenny Dykstra how serious bankruptcy fraud is taken. And that was only over $200k based on the restitution amount.

Ex-baseball star Lenny Dykstra sentenced in bankruptcy fraud case

Any felony convictions in the above areas would be deportation level offenses. And it just comes down to the question of do you really trust Kane not to do or have done something stupid?

Hell no on trading for Kane.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

8 oa Walker Gunderson and kempe

Why on earth would the King's do that?

 

[Schmooley]

Whos Gunderson?