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Speculation: 2020-21 LA Kings News/Rumors/Roster Discussion Part II

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deaderhead28 said:
Issue is no one knows what these kids will turn out.Kings will not sit on kids playing.Tgis was never the plan...Blake and Luke want a competitive team and will try to feel needs that can mix in propect talent with young established talent....
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Can you explain the plan to the rest of us? Seems there is some confusion on this.

What I heard from TMac's presser when he was hired 2 years ago is that they have a 5 year plan. This should be year 3 coming up. I don't think part of the 5 year plan was to go all in and try for a cup at year 3. If 5 years is what it takes to draft-develop and add by UFAs and trade to improve the team, just to be ready to really compete in year 5 then I see that as the path we are taking. If you change the plan in the middle of it then you never had a plan to begin with.

I do agree we need to add from outside the organization, which we will this summer. But to say we don't want to wait for the prospects to develop is nonsense. Why hire Wrobo if we just want to trade our propsects anyways. Makes no sense. We have a core group of prospects that are not available for trade, the list is probably already established within the organization. We are trying to build the next wave of core players while improving and being competitive at the same time.

But please expain what you heard.
 
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Mats26 said:
Can you explain the plan to the rest of us? Seems there is some confusion on this.

What I heard from TMac's presser when he was hired 2 years ago is that they have a 5 year plan. This should be year 3 coming up. I don't think part of the 5 year plan was to go all in and try for a cup at year 3. If 5 years is what it takes to draft-develop and add by UFAs and trade to improve the team, just to be ready to really compete in year 5 then I see that as the path we are taking. If you change the plan in the middle of it then you never had a plan to begin with.

I do agree we need to add from outside the organization, which we will this summer. But to say we don't want to wait for the prospects to develop is nonsense. Why hire Wrobo if we just want to trade our propsects anyways. Makes no sense. We have a core group of prospects that are not available for trade, the list is probably already established within the organization. We are trying to build the next wave of core players while improving and being competitive at the same time.

But please expain what you heard.
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Theres no mass confusion just some that resist letting go of propects.No one said Kings are going "All In".Just like Lombardi before,you got to start making moves to bring in the pieces,this is a long process...No one in Kings management or on here said trade away all our propects lol.Many of us have been fans alot longer than the majority and have seen the failures of past owners and GM's.Blake understands this is a business not a marriage to players unlike Lombardi did later in his tenure.Nothing changes in this 5 year plan lmao.Its part of the process to get to year 5.Again if you don't like it I understand,but it's a business and a process..I think some need to allow the process to work.I remember the same panic when Lombardi took over and started building the team.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
I absolutely agree with that and the previous year when we were just shuffling things around he even had a very good stint next to Doughty. I'd love to see him get more minutes with a better partner.

Just tracing back where this whole conversation started--the thought was that we need something more dynamic/offensive in the top 4. If everyone believes the answer to that is Walker, I'm not REALLY fighting it because then the problem to solve is just who moves down and surely it's easier to find a bottom pairing guy. I think people are reading that I'm talking down on Walker and I'm not--just that if the thought is our Dcore isn't playoff caliber because it's not dynamic enough, I'm pointing out there's a large gap between Doughty and Sean and no imminent internal options.
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We definitely do, but at the same time, we could also use some size, physicality, and attitude/mean streak on the back end.

Like McDermid, but actually good.

Even if we add a good PMD, our defense would still be a bunch of even tempered middle weights.

I'm no Johnny Utah, but I do think there's some value in having at least one big jerk on your blue line. But he has to actually be a good player.
 
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deaderhead28 said:
Theres no mass confusion just some that resist letting go of propects.No one said Kings are going "All In".Just like Lombardi before,you got to start making moves to bring in the pieces,this is a long process...No one in Kings management or on here said trade away all our propects lol.Many of us have been fans alot longer than the majority and have seen the failures of past owners and GM's.Blake understands this is a business not a marriage to players unlike Lombardi did later in his tenure.Nothing changes in this 5 year plan lmao.Its part of the process to get to year 5.Again if you don't like it I understand,but it's a business and a process..I think some need to allow the process to work.I remember the same panic when Lombardi took over and started building the team.
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Who's resisting letting go of prospects?

We just don't want to trade away future capital too early.
 
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deaderhead28 said:
Theres no mass confusion just some that resist letting go of propects.No one said Kings are going "All In".Just like Lombardi before,you got to start making moves to bring in the pieces,this is a long process...No one in Kings management or on here said trade away all our propects lol.Many of us have been fans alot longer than the majority and have seen the failures of past owners and GM's.Blake understands this is a business not a marriage to players unlike Lombardi did later in his tenure.Nothing changes in this 5 year plan lmao.Its part of the process to get to year 5.Again if you don't like it I understand,but it's a business and a process..I think some need to allow the process to work.I remember the same panic when Lombardi took over and started building the team.
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Will you give me all your lottery tickets before verify the winning numbers? I didn't think so.

O'Sullivan, Schenn, played in the NHL on the Kings before we traded them. What could happen when you trade a prospect before he gets a shot......Suzuki.
 
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Mats26 said:
Will you give me all your lottery tickets before verify the winning numbers? I didn't think so.

O'Sullivan, Schenn, played in the NHL on the Kings before we traded them. What could happen when you trade a prospect before he gets a shot......Suzuki.
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Really bad example trying to compare lottery tickets vs a multi million to billion dollar business.
The other bad example is cherry picking names somehow validates your argument?No.How many propects didn't make it vs thoses who became stars?Fans make really bad management cause their to emotional and not pivy to the scouts,coaches information and meetings.Management also take orders from the ownership.
Brayden Schenn played like 9 games for the Kings and management were in a win now situation.You weren't getting Mike Richards for Andrei Loktionov.Kings knew Schenn was good but would take some time to develop.But to get Richards,you had to give something up of value like Schenn.It paid off and Kings have two cups...
 
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Mats26 said:
Will you give me all your lottery tickets before verify the winning numbers? I didn't think so.

O'Sullivan, Schenn, played in the NHL on the Kings before we traded them. What could happen when you trade a prospect before he gets a shot......Suzuki.
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Schenn played 9 games, and 7 in the AHL, in the 2 years between being drafted and traded.
 
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deaderhead28 said:
Really bad example trying to compare lottery tickets vs a multi million to billion dollar business.
The other bad example is cherry picking names somehow validates your argument?No.How many propects didn't make it vs thoses who became stars?Fans make really bad management cause their to emotional and not pivy to the scouts,coaches information and meetings.Management also take orders from the ownership.
Brayden Schenn played like 9 games fir the Kings and management were in a win now situation.You weren't getting Nike Richards for knew he was good bit would take some time to develop.But to get Richards you had to give something up of value.It paid off and Kingss have two cups...
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How many times are you going to edit your quote. I think I know what the confusion is now.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Schenn played 9 games, and 7 in the AHL, in the 2 years between being drafted and traded.
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Yup and he lit up the WHL, AHL that year, over a PPG and had his NHL stint. Continued scorching the AHL with the phantoms after the trade. We sold high because his stock went up. I expect Turcotte to reach that production level next year. The whole point of a prospect is to increase their stock for any potential trade or developing into a player you can keep.
 
Mats26 said:
Yup and he lit up the WHL, AHL that year, over a PPG and had his NHL stint. Continued scorching the AHL with the phantoms after the trade. We sold high because his stock went up. I expect Turcotte to reach that production level next year. The whole point of a prospect is to increase their stock for any potential trade or developing into a player you can keep.
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It's not personal and you make great points from a fan perspective,but this is a business and ownership and Management will do what they feel is best for business...
 
I still don't understand how people think the team already knows what they have in the prospects . For a handful, sure. The rest are an open question. Last season was completely atypical. That means it's very difficult to establish trade value not only for us but even more so for potential trade partners.

Most of our prospects are mystery boxes and therefore we won't get good value for them. If we're going to trade anyone, it should be roster players.
 
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Choralone said:
I still don't understand how people think the team already knows what they have in the prospects . For a handful, sure. The rest are an open question. That means it's very difficult to establish trade value not only for us but even more so for potential trade partners. Most of our prospects are mystery boxes and we won't get good value for them. If we're going to trade anyone, it should be roster players.
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All propects are mystery boxes,some develope as expected, some late and some not all.But you got give to get talent.You can't wait on all of them for 5 years.Got to make moves to better your team and or make room for the next 5 drafts of talent coming into the organization.Sometimes hanging onto these propects lowers their value to other teams if they fail to live up to their projected value...
 
deaderhead28 said:
It's not personal and you make great points from a fan perspective,but this is a business and ownership and Management will do what they feel is best for business...
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If they do what is best for the business(revenue wise) they should get rid of those god awfull jerseys and use the retro purple\gold full time.

As far as on ice product.
Part of managment is asset managament. And you need to understand how trade value works. Either that or you are over evaluating our prospect pool. Again the whole point of a prospect is to increase their stock for any potential trade or developing them into a player you can keep. You need to sell high like we did with Schenn to bring in a player you need to go for the cup. Problem is we are not there yet. We need more player evaluations and better bridge players to get to playoff contention. So if you want to trade Fagemo for a LD with similar ceiling, I am on board with that. Trading 4 1st round picks for a hope and a prayer...thanks I'll pass.
 
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King'sPawn said:
Who's resisting letting go of prospects?

We just don't want to trade away future capital too early.
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The only bright side of trading too early for a proven player is you eliminate the bust potential or at least the potentiality of the rookies game not translating into the NHL. That's definitely a big plus.
 
Anyone worth offer sheeting this summer? Here's the compensation chart for next season, according to Elliotte Friedman's column.
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Mats26 said:
Yup and he lit up the WHL, AHL that year, over a PPG and had his NHL stint. Continued scorching the AHL with the phantoms after the trade. We sold high because his stock went up. I expect Turcotte to reach that production level next year. The whole point of a prospect is to increase their stock for any potential trade or developing into a player you can keep.
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Sold so high that a soon to be 23 year old Simmonds, who could score at ES, was included in the deal.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Sold so high that a soon to be 23 year old Simmonds, who could score at ES, was included in the deal.
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Your not getting Mike Richards for only a young roster player and scraps.
You can also argue that we overpaided for Richards. Eithier way, we used high valued assets to bring a player that lead us to our first cup. That trade doesn't happen with mid tier players\prospects.
 
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RNH resigns with the Oilers looks like 5 million per for 8 years.
These higher end UFAs probably want term.
 
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