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Speculation: 2020-21 LA Kings News/Roster/Rumors Discussion Part VI

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SFKingshomer said:
He's also coming off a neck injury and has shown he's not happy being on a losing team. Those are big risks...
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Yes that is definitely a concern and hopefully brings down his value in trade. And to be fair, I dont think any one would be happy on the Sabres. Their mismanagement is mindblowing. No player with dignity would be happy to be on that team. Does Doughty seem happy to be a King? Nah. Losing is very difficult.
 
Not only that, you would have to assume that the Kings would want to talk to Eichel before acquiring him to be sure he's on board. You don't want to trade for someone who doesn't want to play for you when wants out of his current club because they're not winning.
 
Sol said:
That's kind of the funny part of all this. There were people expecting the roles of players like Doughty and Kopitar to be reduced to baby sitters to guide the young players... You don't keep players like Kopitar and Doughty and make their role on the team so pathetic. You either help establish a team for them during the rebuild so they can have a chance to be competitive during their time as a king, or you trade them for some prospects. Then bring in some cheap veterans to guide the younger players. You don't retain such productive players and set them up for failure by not giving them a proper team.


If Blake isn't going to trade Doughty and Kopitar, when they tell Blake to jump, he can only ask how high.
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This just goes back to my point that the goal of a rebuild isn't to just make the playoffs: making the playoffs is just a checkpoint on the way to the rebuild being completed.

They've been bad for three straight seasons during which time Blake accumulated lots of gunpowder. We can't forget that he also kept every draft pick in 2017 and '18 except for the one moved in the Torrey Mitchell deal and we are already seeing contributions from the 17's in Vilardi/Anderson/JAD and you can toss Andersson in there as well.

He's been building to this off-season but I feel like we've been saying that since last year. He and T-Mac might have a long leash but there needs to be marked improvement this season and it doesn't have anything to do with making Doughty or Kopitar happy. AEG isn't signing up for five years of apathy.
 
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Being unhappy on a losing team for 6 or so years is not the same as having attitude problems. I haven't heard of any rumors that Eichel is bad in the locker room or doesn't listen to the coach. This attitude issues is out of thin air. Also, the latest issue about his neck injury are legit grievances. It's his life and health. He should decide what is best for his healthcare, not a sports organization. I would do exactly what he is doing and pissed as well, regardless of what union or contracts say on this issue.
 
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johnjm22 said:
But can they take ice time away from Kopitar?

This team isn't going to do diddly poo with our 34 year old center playing 22 minutes a night carrying all the hard minutes.
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I would hope so. I think Byfield/JAD can play the PK.
But a lot will depend on whether any of the young guys can win a faceoff. When Kopi is the only guy that can win a faceoff, can you really blame the coach for putting him out there after every whistle?
 
BigKing said:
This just goes back to my point that the goal of a rebuild isn't to just make the playoffs: making the playoffs is just a checkpoint on the way to the rebuild being completed.

They've been bad for three straight seasons during which time Blake accumulated lots of gunpowder. We can't forget that he also kept every draft pick in 2017 and '18 except for the one moved in the Torrey Mitchell deal and we are already seeing contributions from the 17's in Vilardi/Anderson/JAD and you can toss Andersson in there as well.

He's been building to this off-season but I feel like we've been saying that since last year. He and T-Mac might have a long leash but there needs to be marked improvement this season and it doesn't have anything to do with making Doughty or Kopitar happy. AEG isn't signing up for five years of apathy.
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And that's the thing. With Kopitar and Doughty potentially being upset with the fact the team is sucking and they're not getting any support. Blake either... trades for support and experience. Or Blake trades them. and brings in cheap vets like Handzus to guide the team for a short while so the team can establish themselves. Holding on to Kopitar and Doughty is a double edged sword which leads to the decision, which side of the sword do you want to fall on? The side where you want to make the playoffs by bringing in players to make them happy, AND to save your own skin. Or do they go full commit to the rebuild and build from within with slower progress but a brighter future. I don't think Blake has a long rope honestly. If the team sucks again this season, he's likely going to be gone, and so is Tmac. Which makes me think, they're going to sacrifice the very long term future, for a big boost for the present.

Holding on to players like Doughty and Kopitar with a shitty team around them is breeding waters for them to get annoyed. Again, players of that caliber have way too much dignity to be playing such a meaningless role on the Kings.

Trade them or build for them sooner to save your job.
 
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Out of context. Right after he said that he said "we just haven't seen the fruits of the labor yet."

I don't know if you framed it that way or if Bernstein did, but TMac's 100% right. Way more talent has come into the organization (which is what he was talking about) than has gone out.
 
AlphaBravo said:
Being unhappy on a losing team for 6 or so years is not the same as having attitude problems. I haven't heard of any rumors that Eichel is bad in the locker room or doesn't listen to the coach. This attitude issues is out of thin air. Also, the latest issue about his neck injury are legit grievances. It's his life and health. He should decide what is best for his healthcare, not a sports organization. I would do exactly what he is doing and pissed as well, regardless of what union or contracts say on this issue.
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Sure, but it's also a risk for legitimate reasons, not just conjecture about his character. I trust that they'll do their due diligence of course and that all we can do is speculate but based on what we know it's a scary proposition.
 
Sol said:
And that's the thing. With Kopitar and Doughty potentially being upset with the fact the team is sucking and they're not getting any support. Blake either... trades for support and experience. Or Blake trades them. and brings in cheap vets like Handzus to guide the team for a short while so the team can establish themselves. Holding on to Kopitar and Doughty is a double edged sword which leads to the decision, which side of the sword do you want to fall on? The side where you want to make the playoffs by bringing in players to make them happy, AND to save your own skin. Or do they go full commit to the rebuild and build from within with slower progress but a brighter future. I don't think Blake has a long rope honestly. If the team sucks again this season, he's likely going to be gone, and so is Tmac. Which makes me think, they're going to sacrifice the very long term future, for a big boost for the present.

Holding on to players like Doughty and Kopitar with a shitty team around them is breeding waters for them to get annoyed. Again, players of that caliber have way too much dignity to be playing such a meaningless role on the Kings.

Trade them or build for them sooner to save your job.
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This was always going to be the ultimate outcome unless the players drafted from 17-20 made impact and significant impacts on the NHL roster. But for the most part they haven't so here we are. It's not so much that they won't in the future but the future has become now (more or less).
 
Sol said:
And that's the thing. With Kopitar and Doughty potentially being upset with the fact the team is sucking and they're not getting any support. Blake either... trades for support and experience. Or Blake trades them. and brings in cheap vets like Handzus to guide the team for a short while so the team can establish themselves. Holding on to Kopitar and Doughty is a double edged sword which leads to the decision, which side of the sword do you want to fall on? The side where you want to make the playoffs by bringing in players to make them happy, AND to save your own skin. Or do they go full commit to the rebuild and build from within with slower progress but a brighter future. I don't think Blake has a long rope honestly. If the team sucks again this season, he's likely going to be gone, and so is Tmac. Which makes me think, they're going to sacrifice the very long term future, for a big boost for the present.

Holding on to players like Doughty and Kopitar with a shitty team around them is breeding waters for them to get annoyed. Again, players of that caliber have way too much dignity to be playing such a meaningless role on the Kings.

Trade them or build for them sooner to save your job.
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Unfortunately, the most likely outcome is BLuc is going to f*** this up and go for it, then they will eventually be fired, and in the long run the fans will suffer for it.
 
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johnjm22 said:
There are no realistic trades/signings you can make that will turn this team into a contender. None. It's a fools errand.

Keep building. Stay the course.
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100% agree. I have a feeling they are going to make big deals and if they don’t work we will have a 10+ year rebuild. But hey tickets would be cheap. Stay the coarse.
 
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This team depresses me so much.

At least back in 2007 - Kopitar stepped up and smoked Pronger with those two goals, Dustin Brown and Cammy dominated in the AHL, and we were about to draft Doughty or Stamkos. The prospects proved they were legit.

I am sorry, but Byfield did not impress me. Vilardi flopped. Kayilev, Turcotte and Thomas aren't game changers. Same with Anderson - he's just a steady eddie, not a DD or Makar.
 
Jason Squirties said:
Far out! It's incredible. I'm jumping around in other threads and I'm convinced they are copy & pastes from other threads and sometimes different pages in the same threads. Mind bottling.
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I'm more impressed that people have crystal balled 14 million different outcomes and all of them end in failure


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Apparently there's no future in which our prospects don't all bust while simultaneously blake empties the cupboards for eichel who can never play again
 
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Johnny Utah said:
This team depresses me so much.

At least back in 2007 - Kopitar stepped up and smoked Pronger with those two goals, Dustin Brown and Cammy dominated in the AHL, and we were about to draft Doughty or Stamkos. The prospects proved they were legit.

I am sorry, but Byfield did not impress me. Vilardi flopped. Kayilev, Turcotte and Thomas aren't game changers. Same with Anderson - he's just a steady eddie, not a DD or Makar.
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Hooboy, this one is worth a bookmark.
 
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Johnny Utah said:
This team depresses me so much.


I am sorry, but Byfield did not impress me. Vilardi flopped. Kayilev, Turcotte and Thomas aren't game changers. Same with Anderson - he's just a steady eddie, not a DD or Makar.
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It will be interesting to watch this post age. Nice hill to pick to die on though. Gotta give you some credit because you went big there.

I hope you aren't stuck for the next 5-10 years defending it since you lumped an entire group of players into the "Meh" category and if 1-2 hit, this will be a painful post.
 
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