Speculation: 2020-21 LA Kings News/Roster/Rumors Discussion Part VI

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I know DD said we don't need more defense, but I whole heartedly disagree. When Roy, Bjornfot, and Walker were all out at the same time, we had zero depth to compensate. I'm comfortable with a top 5 of DD/Mikey/Roy/Bjornfot/Walker, but we really need to upgrade our #6-9 defensemen and I'm unconvinced anyone is coming from Ontario. Clague was unimpressive, Durzi improved but the jury is still out, Moveare may be our best option but is he really better than Maatta? Spence and Faber aren't ready. The good news is it should be relatively easy to upgrade. Heck, even Hunton would be fine as a #8 and a huge upgrade.

Hopefully Blake scores a Top4 dman and we can slot people to where they need to go. Namely, Maatta to 7D.

Our defense core is redundant. The only impact player is DD. Nobody else make the opponent worry. It's great to have a couple of those steady eddies in there but not 5 of them.

We need a young d man who can push the tempo while having a good stick on defense. He doesn't have to be a great defender but someone who sound.
 
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I just wonder what "stay the course means"

In 2017 we had a lottery pick. Since that draft and including what's projected for the 21 draft that's 5 years of drafting assuming we stand pat this year.

In 5 years the Kings would have made:

6 first round picks (4 lottery)
8 2nd round picks
7 3rd round picks

That is a ton of draft capital over a long period of time, we have to be able to make that work.

If an organization is going to be competing for a cup then is it safe for me to say that we should have already found a few future above avg NHLers and a few more depth guys with the 15 2nd + 3rd round picks we will have made?

Is it safe to say that a #2, #5, two more lottery picks and 2 more first rounders. Should net us multiple impact players?

So we are going to start next season with 20ish Mil in cap space. A #1 C, #1D, #1G. And the type of draft capital that comes from tanking for 5 years.

Maybe I'm overly optimistic but I have to think that we are about to see a major talent injection from all these picks over 5 years. Maybe that's this year, maybe it takes another year, but man if the talent isn't already in the organization then what an awful job we have done in the draft and I'm sorry but I just don't trust them to turn it around with just a couple more mid 1sts.

So many major prospect evaluators keep saying we have the best prospect pool. And it makes sense with the sheer amount of high picks we have made.

So I'm inclined to believe them and therefore think the solution to our future is already here.

So spend to the cap but be smart about it, short term deals that won't hamper our ability to resign and add to the roster 3 or 4 years from now. Whether that's through trading a few of our b rated prospects or some future picks, fine.

If we can aquire a young superstar that costs us some assets that's ok. Superstars are worth a lot of assets. We could have had a combination of 14 1st+2nd round prospects, but maybe that number drops to 10 + Eichel. Not that bad.

At some point if the Kings want to create a very long championship window then they are going to have to make some future picks outside of the lottery.

I would also like to mention that if for some reason none of our talent pan out as planned, it would not only be an generational failure for the Kings, but a colossal failure for every professional scout and journalist in the league who widely praise our forward prospect depth.
 
Our defense core is redundant. The only impact player is DD. Nobody else make the opponent worry. It's great to have a couple of those steady eddies in there but not 5 of them.

We need a young d man who can push the tempo while having a good stick on defense. He doesn't have to be a great defender but someone who sound.

I think that's why they went Grans in Round 2 last year. Cool thing is he played in the SHL this year and just turned 19 eight days ago. Bad thing is he was a -21 with the next worst figure on the team being -12. Also didn't make the WJC which was disappointing.

This guy was the 35th overall pick and he's forgotten about.
 
I would also like to mention that if for some reason none of our talent pan out as planned, it would not only be an generational failure for the Kings, but a colossal failure for every professional scout and journalist in the league who widely praise our forward prospect depth.

Kings were consistently ranked Top 5 during Lombardi's rebuild and only one of those years featured Doughty. Anchoring that ranking was Hickey, Bernier, Purcell, Teubert.

All picks with high draft pedigree are good until they prove they are not. Shit...one of those Athletic writers had Fagemo as the top prospect this time last year but I doubt that would be the case now. This is why we say going from a garbage pool to a Top 5 one is not some amazing feat if you keep all of your draft picks, start drafting Top 5 and add more picks/prospects at the expense of your NHL roster.
 
I think that's why they went Grans in Round 2 last year. Cool thing is he played in the SHL this year and just turned 19 eight days ago. Bad thing is he was a -21 with the next worst figure on the team being -12. Also didn't make the WJC which was disappointing.

This guy was the 35th overall pick and he's forgotten about.

Kid needs a lot of work. He's more of a long term project that a prospect at this point in time.

I remember watching a lot of video on this kid (not just the usual highlights) and he would make the worst reads at the worst times. Then he would look good breaking the puck out and leading the rush but then turn around and immediately turn the puck over for stupid reasons.

I forgot we took him @ 35. Now I'm slightly defalted.
 
Tyson Barrie is the type we need but he’s about to get paidddd. I still like Gostisbehre as an inexpensive PP guy that might do well with Roy on the 2nd pair.
 
Tyson Barrie is the type we need but he’s about to get paidddd. I still like Gostisbehre as an inexpensive PP guy that might do well with Roy on the 2nd pair.
I’d try offering Maatta with possible retention for Ghost as a framework. Philly seems to want his cap hit gone more than anything going forward, rather than an actual asset.
 
There are no realistic trades/signings you can make that will turn this team into a contender. None. It's a fools errand.

Keep building. Stay the course.

Agree, but you can make trades to improve the team. We shouldn't have to wait 3 more years for them to be good again. I am NOT saying go crazy and make a ton of trades, but we have to get someone that can generate something offensively and Eichel OR Bennett might be that option for the right price. That being said, NO WAY I am trading Byfield.
 
So we are going to start next season with 20ish Mil in cap space. A #1 C, #1D, #1G
This is not true. It pains me to say it, but Kopitar is not a number 1 center anymore. His PP points covered up just how mediocre he was this year. He's a #2 center. We also do not have a clear #1 goalie. Drew is still a #1 dman.

Maybe I'm overly optimistic but I have to think that we are about to see a major talent injection from all these picks over 5 years.
Not if you start trading that talent away to help the team right now.

So spend to the cap but be smart about it, short term deals that won't hamper our ability to resign and add to the roster 3 or 4 years from now.
On who? This is pretty unrealistic. You're talking about UFA'? That almost never works out. If we do it via trade that influx of young talent we're looking for starts to deplete.

Let's say we do one of the Buffalo proposals that was suggested: Turcotte + Vilardi + Bjornfot + Quick for Eichel.

It sounds pretty good on the surface. Now you've got Eichel/Kopitar/Byfield down the middle. Plus you've still got center prospects in the system: Madden/Thomas/Kupari.

But where does that put us? It's not a contending team. Now that you've got Eichel you have to try and contend NOW. So you have to start spending even more of your future assets to improve the team further.

So you spend the rest of your prime assets on a good dman. Say Kaliyev, Kupari, 1st for Werenski.

Now you're a good team. Not a contender, but good. Problem is, there's not much talent left that's coming up through the system. You basically just become what the Flyer usually are: a pretty good team that can't contend.

It's the path to the black hole.
 
Kid needs a lot of work. He's more of a long term project that a prospect at this point in time.

I remember watching a lot of video on this kid (not just the usual highlights) and he would make the worst reads at the worst times. Then he would look good breaking the puck out and leading the rush but then turn around and immediately turn the puck over for stupid reasons.

I forgot we took him @ 35. Now I'm slightly defalted.

Im still holding out hope one of Spence/Nousiainen becomes the new version of Visnovsky.
 
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This is not true. It pains me to say it, but Kopitar is not a number 1 center anymore. His PP points covered up just how mediocre he was this year. He's a #2 center. We also do not have a clear #1 goalie. Drew is still a #1 dman.


Not if you start trading that talent away to help the team right now.

On who? This is pretty unrealistic. You're talking about UFA'? That almost never works out. If we do it via trade that influx of young talent we're looking for starts to deplete.

Let's say we do one of the Buffalo proposals that was suggested: Turcotte + Vilardi + Bjornfot + Quick for Eichel.

It sounds pretty good on the surface. Now you've got Eichel/Kopitar/Byfield down the middle. Plus you've still got center prospects in the system: Madden/Thomas/Kupari.

But where does that put us? It's not a contending team. Now that you've got Eichel you have to try and contend NOW. So you have to start spending even more of your future assets to improve the team further.

So you spend the rest of your prime assets on a good dman. Say Kaliyev, Kupari, 1st for Werenski.

Now you're a good team. Not a contender, but good. Problem is, there's not much talent left that's coming up through the system. You basically just become what the Flyer usually are: a pretty good team that can't contend.

It's the path to the black hole.

I sympathize with your position and to a very large extent you are correct in all your observations.

But let me ask you this...what did you think was going to happen 2.5 years ago when they started this "rebuild" and kept 11/8/23/32/77? How else could it have turned out? I'm not even sure Blake wants to do it this way. I suspect he wants to continue to tank but he knows that that looks ridiculous with 11/8 still on the team. And I'm sure he is being told by AEG that a continued tank is unacceptable.
 
This is not true. It pains me to say it, but Kopitar is not a number 1 center anymore. His PP points covered up just how mediocre he was this year. He's a #2 center. We also do not have a clear #1 goalie. Drew is still a #1 dman.


Not if you start trading that talent away to help the team right now.

On who? This is pretty unrealistic. You're talking about UFA'? That almost never works out. If we do it via trade that influx of young talent we're looking for starts to deplete.

Let's say we do one of the Buffalo proposals that was suggested: Turcotte + Vilardi + Bjornfot + Quick for Eichel.

It sounds pretty good on the surface. Now you've got Eichel/Kopitar/Byfield down the middle. Plus you've still got center prospects in the system: Madden/Thomas/Kupari.

But where does that put us? It's not a contending team. Now that you've got Eichel you have to try and contend NOW. So you have to start spending even more of your future assets to improve the team further.

So you spend the rest of your prime assets on a good dman. Say Kaliyev, Kupari, 1st for Werenski.

Now you're a good team. Not a contender, but good. Problem is, there's not much talent left that's coming up through the system. You basically just become what the Flyer usually are: a pretty good team that can't contend.

It's the path to the black hole.

I agree and would prefer smaller moves.
 
And just for clarification this is the age range of the Kings top 10 scorers


33
31
36
27
24
26
21
26
26
21

Seems to be a little bit more of a favorable age range than the Ducks. Considering 8/10 would be tied for 3rd or better in scoring on the Ducks. So let’s not use them.


But please let’s keep just throwing out hot takes ESPN/FS1 style instead of actually looking up stats.

I think his post is foolish, especially the takes on Byfield and Kaliyev who looked very good in the AHL this year.

I think the one area his points are kind of valid though is at the top of each organizations youth movement.

I know it sucks for us admit it as Kings fans but the Ducks absolutely have killed it the last 2 drafts. Zegras is a special talent, can do things with the puck and has vision that not many in the league have, he probably compares pretty favorably as far as value right now to QB who was a #2 OA, and they stole him at #9. I think a case can be made that 2 years into that draft he is the #1 prospect from it. Last year they get Drysdale at #6 and he was a star in the AHL and looked pretty solid as an 18 year old d-man in the NHL. Not many 18 year old d-man play in the NHL, and there is a reason for that. They also somehow got Comtois in the 2nd round because he sucked in his draft year. They don't have the young depth the Kings do (no one does) but their Top 3 is better than ours and it's more balanced, the Kings are going to have to stop collecting centers and start to address defense the wing and goaltending.

Kind of the same thing with Ottawa. Stutzle looks like a future star, and much like Zegras this year, he kind of answered the biggest concern on him, how well he was going to finish at the pro level. Tkachuk is a physically dominating player at 21, not many guys in the league like him, he has been a noticable presence from the moment he turned pro as a 19 year old. This is the type of thing I talk about when I say you have to hit HR's with top 5 picks and ground rule doubles won't cut it, a Tkachuk caliber player is the kind of guy you want to come away with if you are picking top 5 in the draft. A guy who immediately steps in and just makes a difference. Norris scored at a 25G/50P pace as a 21 year old and is also pretty well rounded defensively, the Karlsson trade has a chance to be one of the worst of recent memory, Ottawa has locked up their 1C and 2C from it.

I know people like to preach patience and for this season that is ok, a lot of the Kings guys are young but this coming season there has to be additional steps made from a few of the Kings top prospects, there has to be tangible signs at the NHL level that they can become players like the guys on Anaheim and Ottawa have shown. The way the league is today, most guys who are stars (especially ones taken high in the draft) are either good NHL players or have shown promise in the NHL by around age 20.

No one touches the Kings prospect depth, especially at forward, but I do worry about the ceiling of our prospects as a whole, as well as the imbalance. I'll give QB the benefit of the doubt and say he lives up to it and is our future 1C, he had a good year in the AHL, looked the part in his call-up and well, the league doesn't miss that much on top 2 picks, so trust the historical data and pencil hm in as a future star. But who steps up to be his Robin? Vilardi has to do it in the NHL obviously, does Gabe solve his massive inconsistency issues and turn into a prime Jason Allison? It's just tough because in todays game the skating is so much more important than it was 20 years ago and Gabe's is bad, real bad. But he showed some amazing flashes during his offensive streaks early and late in the season, that ofcourse was sandwiched between about 25 games where he looked like the love child of 2014 Mike Richards and 2020 Jeff Carter. Is it Alex Turcotte? Josh Norris was a dominant two-way center in the AHL in his age 20 year, including a a 45/90 offensive pace, Turcotte's development and likely arrival is behind what you'd like for a Top 5 pick but if he can have a season like that in the AHL it makes his chances to be QB's #2 center look better, but he has to be more healthy, more consistent and more productive offensively to live up to be the future 2C and provide a solid ROI for the immense draft capital the Kings used on him. Kaliyev is the other guy, and Arty did do everything that was asked of him in the AHL as far as what his NHL style will be. He doesn't have to dominate the NHL this coming season, and considering where the Kings took him in the draft he probably will return great value regardless, but if he's going to be a Rantanen type offensive player in the future for the Kings (and I think that's his ceiling), a similar season to Rantanen's age 20 season (20G, 40P) isn't unreasonable, especially with the disaster the Kings have on the wing. If we are talking a year from now and Arty hasn't established himself as a decent goal-scorer in the NHL it may be time to pump the brakes on his longterm ceiling. I am optimistic, I think he's got a chance to be very good, but there are some things he has to overcome.
 
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This is not true. It pains me to say it, but Kopitar is not a number 1 center anymore. His PP points covered up just how mediocre he was this year. He's a #2 center. We also do not have a clear #1 goalie. Drew is still a #1 dman.


Not if you start trading that talent away to help the team right now.

On who? This is pretty unrealistic. You're talking about UFA'? That almost never works out. If we do it via trade that influx of young talent we're looking for starts to deplete.

Let's say we do one of the Buffalo proposals that was suggested: Turcotte + Vilardi + Bjornfot + Quick for Eichel.

It sounds pretty good on the surface. Now you've got Eichel/Kopitar/Byfield down the middle. Plus you've still got center prospects in the system: Madden/Thomas/Kupari.

But where does that put us? It's not a contending team. Now that you've got Eichel you have to try and contend NOW. So you have to start spending even more of your future assets to improve the team further.

So you spend the rest of your prime assets on a good dman. Say Kaliyev, Kupari, 1st for Werenski.

Now you're a good team. Not a contender, but good. Problem is, there's not much talent left that's coming up through the system. You basically just become what the Flyer usually are: a pretty good team that can't contend.

It's the path to the black hole.
I disagree with Kopitar not being a number one. He was the 12th highest scoring Center in the league and his strength is two way play. Your notion that his stats are inflated are hilarious considering who he plays with.

In order to remove the emotional attachment you and others have to our prospects pretend for a minute this scenario using your trades.

Let's just say that instead of picking 6 1st round players and 8 2nd rounders over the past 5 years. We only got to make one 1st round pick but it was the one time we won the lottery And drafted Byfield. and we lost one 2nd rounder but magically Eichel and werenski Showed up.

Would this be a dissapointing return for you? Is 7 2nd rounders plus all of the other picks we made not enough to fill in depth roles around this group? Kings management is so bad that it can't figure out how to make a really good team around that many high end players?
 
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