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Speculation: 2020-21 LA Kings News/Roster/Rumors Discussion Part VI

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And just for clarification this is the age range of the Kings top 10 scorers


33
31
36
27
24
26
21
26
26
21

Seems to be a little bit more of a favorable age range than the Ducks. Considering 8/10 would be tied for 3rd or better in scoring on the Ducks. So let’s not use them.


But please let’s keep just throwing out hot takes ESPN/FS1 style instead of actually looking up stats.
 
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I know DD said we don't need more defense, but I whole heartedly disagree. When Roy, Bjornfot, and Walker were all out at the same time, we had zero depth to compensate. I'm comfortable with a top 5 of DD/Mikey/Roy/Bjornfot/Walker, but we really need to upgrade our #6-9 defensemen and I'm unconvinced anyone is coming from Ontario. Clague was unimpressive, Durzi improved but the jury is still out, Moveare may be our best option but is he really better than Maatta? Spence and Faber aren't ready. The good news is it should be relatively easy to upgrade. Heck, even Hunton would be fine as a #8 and a huge upgrade.

Hopefully Blake scores a Top4 dman and we can slot people to where they need to go. Namely, Maatta to 7D.
 
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Johnny Utah said:
This team depresses me so much.

At least back in 2007 - Kopitar stepped up and smoked Pronger with those two goals, Dustin Brown and Cammy dominated in the AHL, and we were about to draft Doughty or Stamkos. The prospects proved they were legit.

I am sorry, but Byfield did not impress me. Vilardi flopped. Kayilev, Turcotte and Thomas aren't game changers. Same with Anderson - he's just a steady eddie, not a DD or Makar.
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Just four years ago, COL ended the season with a 20 point lead for last place overall in the league (22-56-4, 48 points). Just sayin....
 
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Axl Rhoadz said:
Just four years ago, COL ended the season with a 20 point lead for last place overall in the league (22-56-4, 48 points). Just sayin....
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Yup, MacKinnon was hovering around mid 50s in points. Wasn’t living up to the hype as a #1 pick then bam next season 90+.

Never know what can change good and bad with professional athletes.
 
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I'm generally anti-UFA and I'm not for either of these moves really, but I would rather see them throw money at Landeskog than trade for Eichel. Yeah, 4 year difference in age and all, but the assets spend on Eichel could bring in one hell of a defenseman, and we would even have assets to bring in another scorer without putting much of a dent in the prospect pool. That would be 4-5 good years with Kopitar/Landeskog/Byfield down the middle. I think he ends up staying in Colorado but weirder things have happened.

As good as Eichel is, there is risk with his injury and the price will be really steep. Again, not advocating for either, just how I see it.
 
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Johnny Utah said:
This team depresses me so much.

At least back in 2007 - Kopitar stepped up and smoked Pronger with those two goals, Dustin Brown and Cammy dominated in the AHL, and we were about to draft Doughty or Stamkos. The prospects proved they were legit.

I am sorry, but Byfield did not impress me. Vilardi flopped. Kayilev, Turcotte and Thomas aren't game changers. Same with Anderson - he's just a steady eddie, not a DD or Makar.
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I didn't watch Byfield but he's not the type to impress the eyes. Some players will stick out due to their flash and skill but not accomplish much then there are others like Byfield that tend to be more efficient.
 
driller1 said:
I know DD said we don't need more defense, but I whole heartedly disagree. When Roy, Bjornfot, and Walker were all out at the same time, we had zero depth to compensate. I'm comfortable with a top 5 of DD/Mikey/Roy/Bjornfot/Walker, but we really need to upgrade our #6-9 defensemen and I'm unconvinced anyone is coming from Ontario. Clague was unimpressive, Durzi improved but the jury is still out, Moveare may be our best option but is he really better than Maatta? Spence and Faber aren't ready. The good news is it should be relatively easy to upgrade. Heck, even Hunton would be fine as a #8 and a huge upgrade.

Hopefully Blake scores a Top4 dman and we can slot people to where they need to go. Namely, Maatta to 7D.
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Forgot Strand. He actually looked pretty solid in his 13 games with LA.

Agree we need help on D. Doughty isn't gonna say him and his defense partners need help. It's kind of a given.

I would say we need a more experienced LH top 4 D.
 
Mats26 said:
We need to resign some of the RFAs, so AEG has no choice but to add salary unless we trade their rights away. If we keep the same exact roster as this year, it will be more expensive. So the debate should be where do we add this salary on current RFAs or new players???
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That was mostly the point, obviously they sign the RFAs (Moore, Lizotte, Athanasiou, Luff & maybe Wolanin). I just meant no reason to go sign a meh UFA to 3 or 4 year deal for the sake of doing it.
 
johnjm22 said:
There are no realistic trades/signings you can make that will turn this team into a contender. None. It's a fools errand.

Keep building. Stay the course.
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I just wonder what "stay the course means"

In 2017 we had a lottery pick. Since that draft and including what's projected for the 21 draft that's 5 years of drafting assuming we stand pat this year.

In 5 years the Kings would have made:

6 first round picks (4 lottery)
8 2nd round picks
7 3rd round picks

That is a ton of draft capital over a long period of time, we have to be able to make that work.

If an organization is going to be competing for a cup then is it safe for me to say that we should have already found a few future above avg NHLers and a few more depth guys with the 15 2nd + 3rd round picks we will have made?

Is it safe to say that a #2, #5, two more lottery picks and 2 more first rounders. Should net us multiple impact players?

So we are going to start next season with 20ish Mil in cap space. A #1 C, #1D, #1G. And the type of draft capital that comes from tanking for 5 years.

Maybe I'm overly optimistic but I have to think that we are about to see a major talent injection from all these picks over 5 years. Maybe that's this year, maybe it takes another year, but man if the talent isn't already in the organization then what an awful job we have done in the draft and I'm sorry but I just don't trust them to turn it around with just a couple more mid 1sts.

So many major prospect evaluators keep saying we have the best prospect pool. And it makes sense with the sheer amount of high picks we have made.

So I'm inclined to believe them and therefore think the solution to our future is already here.

So spend to the cap but be smart about it, short term deals that won't hamper our ability to resign and add to the roster 3 or 4 years from now. Whether that's through trading a few of our b rated prospects or some future picks, fine.

If we can aquire a young superstar that costs us some assets that's ok. Superstars are worth a lot of assets. We could have had a combination of 14 1st+2nd round prospects, but maybe that number drops to 10 + Eichel. Not that bad.

At some point if the Kings want to create a very long championship window then they are going to have to make some future picks outside of the lottery.
 
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Docgonzo said:
While you might have something on the Sens, the Ducks? Are you kidding me?

Ducks top 10 scorers ages in points order

22
28
29
31
23
36
30
31
32
25

And Vilardi out scored all but the top 2.
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If you take away Kopitar, Brown, and Drew
And look at the Kings 4-8th (next 5 guys) that group out scored the Ducks top 5
 
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Johnny Utah said:
This team depresses me so much.

At least back in 2007 - Kopitar stepped up and smoked Pronger with those two goals, Dustin Brown and Cammy dominated in the AHL, and we were about to draft Doughty or Stamkos. The prospects proved they were legit.

I am sorry, but Byfield did not impress me. Vilardi flopped. Kayilev, Turcotte and Thomas aren't game changers. Same with Anderson - he's just a steady eddie, not a DD or Makar.
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Are you talking about 2007 or 2008? In 2007, Brown and Cammalleri were two seasons removed from the AHL and the Kings were about to draft Hickey. Cammalleri had one more year in him--a down year--and then he was traded. We did have Kopitar, a guy who was 19 and in his D+2 season: something that will be Byfield next season. Not saying Byfield is going to put up 61 points in 72 games next year like Kopitar did in his rookie year, but I'm also not saying that he won't.

Yeah, I thought this would be like 2008-09 where the Kings showed improvement but it didn't happen. I understand being down but I don't understand how you talk up Brown and Cammalleri but say that Kaliyev and Turcotte aren't game changers. Seems to me that Kaliyev has 30 goal potential. If he plays next season, it will be as a 20 year old. Cammy played 28 games as a 20 year old, scoring five goals and eight total points. Nine goals and 15 total points in 31 games as a 21 year old. AHL at 22 and then breaks out at 23.

Kaliyev has as many goals in one NHL game at 19 as Brown had in 31 games as an 18-19 year old. Brown also didn't break out until 23. You can insert Vilardi in place of Kaliyev and compare him to Brown and Cammy as well.

It doesn't look like they have a Doughty or a Kopitar in the pipeline, although the juror is still out on Byfield. That said, those are two hall of famers. It's not like the first round of every draft has five hall of fame players in it or something.
 
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I get the rush and impatience for wanting to add an elite top line and/or top pairing D. But simply adding a VERY solid (not Matta type) 2nd line puck-moving, PP D and a goal scoring winger would be huge for this team.
Along with all the young guys filling the roster that would make a huge difference next year. Cutting out the crap and letting Andersson, JAD, Moore, Vilardi, etc. play all season along with adding newbies Kupari, Byfield, etc. with real shots and game action. Along with 1-2 solid adds. Superstar addition is great, but it's needed at this point in order to vastly improve with upward trajectory results and make the playoffs next year. The right couple of adds and this team could be well on their way moving forward and drastically change fans opinion moving forward in the coming years -- with all young talent coming.
 
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