Prospect Info: 2020-2021 Senators Prospect Watch

[BondraTime]

Watching his reactions to the 1st round and how off he was was pretty good

Nearly every pick was a reach and questionable

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Watching his reactions to the 1st round and how off he was was pretty good

Nearly every pick was a reach and questionable

What I don’t understand is how guys like this can say “I guess you could make an argument that stutzle could have gone 3”. what? He was always going top 3 no matter who was picking.

 

[Xspyrit]

Not super familiar with "scouching" so I don't know how much out of context he takes advanced stats and analytics

In the end, it's another "random opinion", based on whatever random criterias he chose to follow, which are probably different from everybody else. There's never a concensus in methodology

Anyway, his take on Sens draft 2018 :

Scouching

He loves the Tychonick and Gruden picks

The picks to love from the 2018 Sens draft were Tkachuk, JBD, Crookshank and Mandolese


Listening to his take on 2020 draft, one thing that made me react :

"Rossi or Raymond at 3 and let the Red Wings take Raymond or Rossi"

Well, I don't need to explain why it doesn't make sense, but the strategy should have been to let the Red Wings pick up Stuetzle at 4? Ok so I get it, he wanted the Sens to draft Rossi and Raymond. 2 picks I would have loved but seriously, couldn't afford to pass on Stutzle

When Raymond was gone at #4, then I would have been fine with a few picks at #5. I originally wanted Drysdale but if the Sens have more faith in Sanderson being the best D-man out of this draft, so be it.

"Jake Sanderson" is gonna be a serviceable player"... uh yeah that's totally selling him short. I don't think you could even say that for JBD and Sanderson is a higher end version.

Finally his plan of drafting Rossi and Raymond would have given the Sens a "much better looking future up front"

Yes maybe but in that case, the future on defense doesn't look quite as good.

And seriously, it's mainly due because no pro hockey will have been played in almost a year in NA, but Sens already have a lot of possible weapons "up front".

Maybe they would have picked Raymond at #5 if the Wings didn't pick him, but in the end they believe Stuetzle will be their N.1 Center, and that 2 of Norris, Brown, Pinto, White, etc are going to be the 2nd and 3rd line centers.

They went for their BPA (Sanderson) instead of drafting for a need that "isn't there"

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I haven't checked but i would guess draft Dynasty may have liked our draft

As I recall he had Stutzle 2nd, Sanderson 5th (ahead of Byfield), Greig just inside the top 20 and Jarventie right at the end of his 1st round.

Not super familiar with "scouching" so I don't know how much out of context he takes advanced stats and analytics

In the end, it's another "random opinion", based on whatever random criterias he chose to follow, which are probably different from everybody else. There's never a concensus in methodology

Anyway, his take on Sens draft 2018 :

Scouching

He loves the Tychonick and Gruden picks

The picks to love from the 2018 Sens draft were Tkachuk, JBD, Crookshank and Mandolese

I forget who said it, but a scout said that scouching is great for evaluating what a prospect is doing right now, but that doesnt necessarily mean theres highly sophisticated projection going on.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

How come obviously?
Only watched a few scouching videos. There’s a story?

well he wasnt a fan of our strategy last year, and this year , just through watching all his videos, clear we didnt take the players he liked.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Watching his reactions to the 1st round and how off he was was pretty good

Nearly every pick was a reach and questionable

that is the big thing i dont quite enjoy about the amateur scouts. when theyre commenting on the draft live, they act surprised when a player they KNEW was gonna go, goes, and they dont like that player. like just say "k this guy was gonna go here, BUT i dont like him heres why".

its always "WHAAT?!"

 

[mianjo]

Is Chlapik still with HC Sparta Praha he has only played 3 games and has not been dressed the last 2 games.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

that is the big thing i dont quite enjoy about the amateur scouts. when theyre commenting on the draft live, they act surprised when a player they KNEW was gonna go, goes, and they dont like that player. like just say "k this guy was gonna go here, BUT i dont like him heres why".

its always "WHAAT?!"

LOL.

Exactly. It's like their list has somehow become the consensus.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

LOL.

Exactly. It's like their list has somehow become the consensus.

Yeah and then they love a European player that goes in the fourth and they’re like “wow I had him as a late first this is surprising”. Like no it isn’t lol

 

[Korpse]

I find Will Souch focuses too much on the season the players had in their respective leagues rather than how they project to the NHL. Obviously that’s the toughest part of the draft but it’s also the most important part. I like his analysis but it’s lacking an important aspect imo.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Yeah and then they love a European player that goes in the fourth and they’re like “wow I had him as a late first this is surprising”. Like no it isn’t lol

It’s all groupthink and lack of original thoughts.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

It’s all groupthink and lack of original thoughts.

Sort of, but in a weird way a lot of these guys are trying to be SO different. In the end it comes across as contrived a lot of the time. Very hipster!

 

[BondraTime]

I find Will Souch focuses too much on the season the players had in their respective leagues rather than how they project to the NHL. Obviously that’s the toughest part of the draft but it’s also the most important part. I like his analysis but it’s lacking an important aspect imo.

He’s very, very good at gathering data. Not so good on evaluating players

He’d be a great analytic hire, and a very bad scouting hire. Let him give the data to those who have a better understanding of the game away from advanced stats.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

It’s all groupthink and lack of original thoughts.

Mm no. I disagree with that. If you want to talk about group think and lack of original thoughts go look at pro scouts lol

 

[BondraTime]

Mm no. I disagree with that. If you want to talk about group think and lack of original thoughts go look at pro scouts lol

I mean, just look at every draft year to see there is very little group think among pro scouts. How often does a draft go the way it’s supposed to? Never?

The amount of fallers and surprising picks every single year tells me that there isn’t much, if any, group think among pro scouts. Every teams list looks extremely, extremely, extremely different.

There is definite group think among the online and blog sites. Most don’t actually get to watch most players and are just forming opinions based on other lists, basically the same as here.

I mean, the Sens have taken like 7 players that haven’t been ranked by a single source over the past 4 years, and have been criticized for passing over the “amateur consensus” guys with nearly every pick. If that’s not original thinking I don’t know what is.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

I mean, just look at every draft year to see there is very little group think. How often does a draft go the way it’s supposed to? Never?

The amount of fallers and surprising picks every single year tells me that there isn’t much, if any, group think among pro scouts. Every teams list looks extremely, extremely, extremely different.

Exactly.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I mean, just look at every draft year to see there is very little group think among pro scouts. How often does a draft go the way it’s supposed to? Never?

The amount of fallers and surprising picks every single year tells me that there isn’t much, if any, group think among pro scouts. Every teams list looks extremely, extremely, extremely different.

There is definite group think among the online and blog sites. Most don’t actually get to watch most players and are just forming opinions based on other lists, basically the same as here.

I mean, the Sens have taken like 7 players that haven’t been ranked by a single source over the past 4 years, and have been criticized for passing over the “amateur consensus” guys with nearly every pick. If that’s not original thinking I don’t know what is.

How many times are players shown to be bad picks but all teams had that player in the top 10-20-30 whatever it may be.

And I still disagree that pro scouts are the only guys that get to watch a lot of the prospects play.
Lots of these guys and girls watch a ton of hockey.

 

[BondraTime]

How many times are players shown to be bad picks but all teams had that player in the top 10-20-30 whatever it may be.

How is that group think? That’s a player not living up to their perceived potential.

If Laf turns out to be a bust we can attribute him going 1st to groupthink?

The exact same would apply to every single amateur list.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

How is that group think? That’s a player not living up to their perceived potential.

Maybe not groupthink exactly. Defined wrong. . But I don’t think there’s much group think in online community either.

there’s a collection of biases in each group. Which lead to similar lists.

I mean just look at kleven being a consensus second round pick on nhl lists. And a late late if even undrafted player on most online lists.

 

[BondraTime]

Maybe not groupthink exactly. Defined wrong. . But I don’t think there’s much group think in online community either.

there’s a collection of biases in each group. Which lead to similar lists.

I mean just look at kleven being a consensus second round pick on nhl lists. And a late late if even undrafted player on most online lists.

He was a consensus 2nd rounder on at least 1 teams list, I’m sure there were many that had him lower.

That speaks more to the value of some of these online lists.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

He was a consensus 2nd rounder on at least 1 teams list, I’m sure there were many that had him lower.

That speaks more to the value of some of these online lists.

I don’t see an independent services list not matching the draft or pre draft nhl lists (like bobs for example) as a knock on that list.

 

[BondraTime]

I don’t see an independent services list not matching the draft or pre draft nhl lists (like bobs for example) as a knock on that list.

No NHL teams list is anything even close to resembling McKenzie’s list

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

I don’t see an independent services list not matching the draft or pre draft nhl lists (like bobs for example) as a knock on that list.

if you want an example of groupthink and trying to be different, just look at how some of these people ranked Stutzle.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

if you want an example of groupthink and trying to be different, just look at how some of these people ranked Stutzle.

Lol. These are the same people that had stutzle that high while nhl lists had him in the mid to late teens lol. They had stutzle inside the top 5-10 before anyone else.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Scouching review is out. Obviously not very kind to our draft.

Got a link?