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FormentonTheFuture
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Games played numbers do not say anything about the quality of play during those games. Ceci was a net negative for us for most of those games, hurting the team more than he helped in the roles he played.
Pinto was a great selection by our scouting staff. Looks like he could be a big steal at 32 and may help make up for Thomson, but it still hurts to have passed on a guy like Tomasino (my guy at 19).
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Not me. Bjornfot was great for me in EHM. I really wanted him on the Sens. I think Thomson will turn out to be a bad pick. The Sens fell in love with his tools too much.
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Pinto has been great, I'd take him over Foote and possibly Holmstrom, but would take everyone else before pretty easily. Would take them all including Pinto before Thomson.
2019 is looking rough
2019 is looking rough
FormentonTheFuture
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We’ll see what Tomasino turns into it. I’m betting there’s no great scorers in that range. Weak draft.
FormentonTheFuture
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In 5 years I’m willing to bet Pinto is seen as a top 10-15 player from that draft
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Obviously, you are not a true hockey fan if you've never played/heard of Eastside Hockey Manager.
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Definitely possibe, but I don't think it's very likely. Not a bet I'd make at least
FormentonTheFuture
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I can’t tell if you’re trolling me or not. What does that have to do with reality?
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I won't give up on Thomson yet, but I don't get how like every scout had Heinola ahead of him but we didn't pick him if we were looking for a defenseman.
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Weren't you the guy calling someone a bad evaluator of talent? You don't pass on Tomasino.
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It's still way too early to draw any conclusion for the 2019 draft. Lassi Thomson has played a whooping total of 48 Games since being drafted. AFAIK, he had a solid D+1 season so his "struggles" are very recent
Maybe his hockey sense won't allow him to become a top-3 D-man, but he could still end up as a solid NHL player, as long as they are not trying to make him something that he's not (like how they destroyed Ceci). He will need to be carefully coached and taught how to use his tools efficiently and not allow his weaknesses to take too much space in his game. It's easier said than done because a lot of hockey players actually don't get the "right coaching" during their development years.
Also, Tomasino is a good prospect but let's also remember a guy like Shane Prince for example, very similar stats in his D+1 season. However I think tomasino will turn out better because of his "involvement" in the game
But again let's remember that on draft day, there's no BPA concensus, teams go with their own list all the time (and not the media lists lol) and end up wrong several times in the same draft. It's impossible to "hit" on every pick. Success is when you're not only "wrong" and if you hit an homerun or two, you did very well.
Scouting has certainly improved over the years but depending on the draft class, even at 19th OA it can start to be some sort of a "crapshoot". 2019 was the below average year before a great draft year (our luck because that's where we had insane draft capital)
I also never heard of Eastside Hockey Manager before.
Maybe his hockey sense won't allow him to become a top-3 D-man, but he could still end up as a solid NHL player, as long as they are not trying to make him something that he's not (like how they destroyed Ceci). He will need to be carefully coached and taught how to use his tools efficiently and not allow his weaknesses to take too much space in his game. It's easier said than done because a lot of hockey players actually don't get the "right coaching" during their development years.
Also, Tomasino is a good prospect but let's also remember a guy like Shane Prince for example, very similar stats in his D+1 season. However I think tomasino will turn out better because of his "involvement" in the game
But again let's remember that on draft day, there's no BPA concensus, teams go with their own list all the time (and not the media lists lol) and end up wrong several times in the same draft. It's impossible to "hit" on every pick. Success is when you're not only "wrong" and if you hit an homerun or two, you did very well.
Scouting has certainly improved over the years but depending on the draft class, even at 19th OA it can start to be some sort of a "crapshoot". 2019 was the below average year before a great draft year (our luck because that's where we had insane draft capital)
I also never heard of Eastside Hockey Manager before.
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FormentonTheFuture
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I said that to Senator. Have you seen his posts?
also clearly many teams passed on Tomasino including team Canada at the WJC
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Betting there are no great scorers amongst Tomasino, McMichael and Kaliyev doesn't look like great talent evaluation to me. Time will tell, I suppose. I personally would feel much better with one of those three over Lassi as I think they'll all be very good.
Problem is Thomson's not on an upward trajectory and the rest of them are. His game reminds me of a slightly better Ceci which is problematic when you consider there are at least multiple top six forwards / top 4 dmen picked directly after Thomson. Is it a rough draft? Sure but like when there's three D-men taken in four picks and your misidentified which one to take then that is a problem.
Like even watching the WJC you could see that Heinola was by far a better player despite being substantially younger. Hopefully Thomson develops further but it is hard to 'fix' poor hockey sense. Looking like a future 3rd pairing guy right now. We could all easily be wrong and that is why it is hard to assess prospects this early but no one should be happy with the growth in his game so far...
Yup. Especially since we had multiple picks in a second round that looks like it will have had a number of high end forwards come out of it. Pinto is a good pick as a middle six centre but we're looking at maybe 5+ top 6 potential players in the 2nd round after our picks...
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I’m not saying he will be better than those guys, I just think it’s too early to write off the pick and I don’t see any stars picked after him (especially Kalyiev). There’s always going to be better players picked after the guy we pick in any draft, though.
FormentonTheFuture
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Pinto will be a top six player in the NHL. He has it all. To me he’s a better prospect than Logan brown right now.
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The problem is he went from a junior league to a men’s league. If he played in the WHL last year he would have had much better stats than the previous year and people wouldn’t be as down on him. He was Finland’s captain at the WJC so it shows he is still highly valued, but like I said I don’t think he has high offensive upside, but if he makes the nhl full time as a third pairing guy it’s still not a bust, it would just be a disappointment. Like the cup champs have done many times in the first round such as when they picked Koekkoek
Lassi Thompson got his forst point of the season yesterday an assist
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