Prospect Info: 2020-2021 Senators Prospect Watch

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[Kaako Kappo]

That’s good to hear. Everything i’ve read so far has been the natural scoring instincts, shot, plus skating, but everything else needs a lot of work. Maybe he’s not as raw as he is described sometimes.

I don't think he's that raw either, he plays a fairly mature game and is already quite the big boy. He could maybe be more aggressive in the offensive zone.

 

[mianjo]

Jarvente and Thompson back in action losing 2-0 after 1

Balcers also back in action , he picks up a slashing minor 0-0 in 2nd

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Brannstrom (yellow jersey) is that lightning bolt flash carrying the puck up the left side

His team scored off his dump in so .. I guess he took that D out of the play

 

[Icelevel]

Yeah. It’s worrying.

 

[mianjo]

Ilves loses 4-2
Jukerit lost 4-1Abramov assist, and a high sticking pen
Stavengar 3-1 loss Balcers pen for slashing
Malmo losing 4-1 late 3rd

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Anton Lundell says Vitali .. hold my beer


4 goals today

 

[Xspyrit]

Lassi Thomson turning into a longer term project than expected. Sens probably can't wait to have him in NA to get him back on track. Something must be going on with him.

That’s good to hear. Everything i’ve read so far has been the natural scoring instincts, shot, plus skating, but everything else needs a lot of work. Maybe he’s not as raw as he is described sometimes.

These prospects that just go drafted are very young, some evolve very quickly. Maybe Jarventie is ready to take the next step and has been working on polishing his overall game.

That's why these "BPA" comments are a bit silly sometimes. There is no concensus, 1 year later and your BPA list might look completely different.

Who knows at this point? Maybe Jarventie will prove he was top-15 worthy

 

[aragorn]

Anton Lundell says Vitali .. hold my beer


4 goals today

I like Lundell a lot, wish Ottawa would have found a way to draft him.

 

[BondraTime]

Lassi Thomson turning into a longer term project than expected. Sens probably can't wait to have him in NA to get him back on track. Something must be going on with him.




These prospects that just go drafted are very young, some evolve very quickly. Maybe Jarventie is ready to take the next step and has been working on polishing his overall game.

That's why these "BPA" comments are a bit silly sometimes. There is no concensus, 1 year later and your BPA list might look completely different.

Who knows at this point? Maybe Jarventie will prove he was top-15 worthy

He's another Ceci, all tools no toolbox

 

[Icelevel]

He's another Ceci, all tools no toolbox

Hopefully not. But looking that way so far. Sens keep falling for the same trick.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Except Ceci has better tools and showed a hell of a lot more as a junior player than Thomson.

Pick was a shocker right from the start coming from someone who lives in Kelowna and watched a lot of Thomson. Thought he should be a late 2nd rounder at best, given his lack of IQ.

His teammate Korczak would have been a far better pick.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Ceci doesn’t have better tools such as shot, but Thomson was never expected to have high upside regardless. That draft was very weak in the late first. Thomson will be a third pairing guy who is used on the PP because of his shot. He was excellent at dev camp when he was first drafted and showed why they picked him. He never should have gone back to Finland. Waste of time.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Ceci doesn’t have better tools such as shot, but Thomson was never expected to have high upside regardless. That draft was very weak in the late first. Thomson will be a third pairing guy who is used on the PP because of his shot. He was excellent at dev camp when he was first drafted and showed why they picked him. He never should have gone back to Finland. Waste of time.

I'd agree with this but no matter where he is, his development has been slower than expected. He just turned 20 so he's got a lot of time to figure this out but it looks like he needs a fresh start. Hopefully he gets a spot with Belleville and takes off from there.

 

[Sens72]

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

I'd agree with this but no matter where he is, his development has been slower than expected. He just turned 20 so he's got a lot of time to figure this out but it looks like he needs a fresh start. Hopefully he gets a spot with Belleville and takes off from there.

He’s a lock to play in Belleville if there’s a season, for sure. I wish he went there right away last year.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Ceci doesn’t have better tools such as shot, but Thomson was never expected to have high upside regardless. That draft was very weak in the late first. Thomson will be a third pairing guy who is used on the PP because of his shot. He was excellent at dev camp when he was first drafted and showed why they picked him. He never should have gone back to Finland. Waste of time.

Ceci has a hard shot too, possibly even harder. I remember talk of his 100 MPH slapper at the skills competition. Problem with him is that he has no accuracy, largely due to his bad IQ and awareness on the ice, and lacks the confidence to use his shot. Same will probably go for Thomson when his time and space is taken away at the higher levels.

The draft unfolded very unfortunately for us with Newhook, Caufield, Krebs and Harley going off the board right before our pick, but it's silly to suggest the rest of the 1st was weak after that. The players selected after Thomson include Heinola, Poulin, Bjornfot, Holmstrom, Tomasino and McMichael - all of whom, with the possible exception of Holmstrom, are looking quite good a year after the draft. We just bungled it.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Lassi Thomson turning into a longer term project than expected. Sens probably can't wait to have him in NA to get him back on track. Something must be going on with him.




These prospects that just go drafted are very young, some evolve very quickly. Maybe Jarventie is ready to take the next step and has been working on polishing his overall game.

That's why these "BPA" comments are a bit silly sometimes. There is no concensus, 1 year later and your BPA list might look completely different.

Who knows at this point? Maybe Jarventie will prove he was top-15 worthy

It's also why you pick a guy like Jarventie even though before the draft there was talk about him being poor in his own end. Sometimes, for a forward anyway, becoming above average defensively takes nothing more than just trying. Especially when you have the fundamentals that Jarventie clearly has. You pick a plyer who has things you can't teach and let the rest fall in line with maturity and good coaching.

As for top 15 worthy? Well I'm crossing my fingers that he ends up as a Sebastian Aho level of draft steal, which would land him firmly in the top 15 in this draft.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Ceci has a hard shot too, possibly even harder. I remember talk of his 100 MPH slapper at the skills competition. Problem with him is that he has no accuracy, largely due to his bad IQ and awareness on the ice, and lacks the confidence to use his shot. Same will probably go for Thomson when his time and space is taken away at the higher levels.

The draft unfolded very unfortunately for us with Newhook, Caufield, Krebs and Harley going off the board right before our pick, but it's silly to suggest the rest of the 1st was weak after that. The players selected after Thomson include Heinola, Poulin, Bjornfot, Holmstrom, Tomasino and McMichael - all of whom, with the possible exception of Holmstrom, are looking quite good a year after the draft. We just bungled it.

I don’t think you can say they bungled it so early on in the process. None of those other players have proven a thing and most players in this range won’t make the NHL. The draft was weak, that’s just a fact. Tomasino and McMichael project as third liners.

Also if Thomson becomes Ceci that’s still not terrible. It’s a clear nhl defenseman whether he’s below average or not. He has a much better shot and better IQ than Ceci, he likes to shoot a lot unlike him.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I don’t think you can say they bungled it so early on in the process. None of those other players have proven a thing and most players in this range won’t make the NHL. The draft was weak, that’s just a fact. Tomasino and McMichael project as third liners.

Also if Thomson becomes Ceci that’s still not terrible. It’s a clear nhl defenseman whether he’s below average or not. He has a much better shot and better IQ than Ceci, he likes to shoot a lot unlike him.

Tomasino and McMichael both had over 100P in the OHL this past season. They certainly project as top 6 players.

Spending a top 20 draft selection and ending up with a below-average bottom pairing defenseman is an abject failure, and I'm not even certain Thomson will be as good as Ceci.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Tomasino and McMichael both had over 100P in the OHL this past season. They certainly project as top 6 players.

Spending a top 20 draft selection and ending up with a below-average bottom pairing defenseman is an abject failure, and I'm not even certain Thomson will be as good as Ceci.

Abject failure

let’s see how many guys past 15 will even make the nhl full time. It won’t be a lot.

Also high OHL points in then year after you are drafted don’t mean you’re automatically going to be top six in the nhl.

tell me which player you have picked since you’re so confident?

 

[Hale The Villain]

Abject failure

let’s see how many guys past 15 will even make the nhl full time. It won’t be a lot.

You can find D like Ceci at a cost of zero assets for around league minimum every year in free agency, or you can do what Dorion does and trade mid round picks for them for some reason.

Spending a mid 1st (a valuable asset at the time it's made) plus years of time and money in development to have him end up as a replacement level player is unquestionably an abject failure, whether or not they happen to play hundreds of games at the NHL level by living off of their draft position.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

You can find D like Ceci at a cost of zero assets for around league minimum every year in free agency, or you can do what Dorion does and trade mid round picks for them for some reason.

Spending a mid 1st (a valuable asset at the time it's made) plus years of time and money in development to have him end up as a replacement level player is unquestionably an abject failure, whether or not they happen to play hundreds of games at the NHL level by living off of their draft position.

Cody Ceci has played the fifth most games out of all players in his draft year. He didn’t live up to expectations but to call the pick a failure is completely hyperbole and just wrong. It’s not a win but it’s not a bust of a pick or a failure in any sense.

every draft is different, if you’re looking at Thomson’s in a weak draft year, him disappointing won’t be as bad as it was for the bruins for example in a stacked 2015 draft. But it’s still way too early to make any proclamations either way. They could end up with a huge steal in Pinto. You’re not going to hit on every pick.

 

[Xspyrit]

It's also why you pick a guy like Jarventie even though before the draft there was talk about him being poor in his own end. Sometimes, for a forward anyway, becoming above average defensively takes nothing more than just trying. Especially when you have the fundamentals that Jarventie clearly has. You pick a plyer who has things you can't teach and let the rest fall in line with maturity and good coaching.

As for top 15 worthy? Well I'm crossing my fingers that he ends up as a Sebastian Aho level of draft steal, which would land him firmly in the top 15 in this draft.

Wow Aho would be even better than top-15 but even then, this draft is stacked. We're eventually going to look at it like 2015 for example. It will be hard to reach 2003 level but I'm curious to see how close it can get.

I really understand why they were high on Jarventie. If this guy has the desire and dedication to match his skillset, we have another future top-6 forward in our hands.

 

[R2010]

Cody Ceci has played the fifth most games out of all players in his draft year. He didn’t live up to expectations but to call the pick a failure is completely hyperbole and just wrong. It’s not a win but it’s not a bust of a pick or a failure in any sense.

every draft is different, if you’re looking at Thomson’s in a weak draft year, him disappointing won’t be as bad as it was for the bruins for example in a stacked 2015 draft. But it’s still way too early to make any proclamations either way. They could end up with a huge steal in Pinto. You’re not going to hit on every pick.

All in Yellow (Actually add Pelletier) are viewed as better prospects today than Thomson. That's the problem.