GDT: 2019 Training Camp Info/Roster

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why would carolina trade faulk for quick? we would be adding, not them

Because Faulk is a UFA at the end of the year and Quick even though is not as elite as he used to be but with that defense no telling what he can do in the playoffs if motivates . It gives them a chance to go for it this year and next with their cap looking pretty good
 
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I don't think Quick will be moved until the TDL. It's more likely that Faulk for Toffoli @ 50% retention would be better for each team than Quick.

Not sure I agree. I’d like to see what Toffoli does and see if he is going to be part of our plans moving forward or if one of the prospects ala Fagemo or Kupari takes his place . But I think Carolina needs a proven goaltender who can win now rather than a forward which they have plenty
 
Faulk has trade protection and is looking for an extension. It would be nice to have him, but not at the cost of trading futures. Our garbage heap scraps won’t get a trade done.

If he wants to be a King, take the chance at signing him as a ufa if the Kings show growth this year.
 
The rumored deal was Faulk for Kase.

Not sure how we jump to Toffoli or Quick from that.

I don’t see them being interested in Toffoli considering they have a surplus of talented forwards throughout their lineup. They need a proven goaltender to help win a cup more than anything considering how deep they are throughout their lineup . It’s a need for a need . Makes sense for both sides . I’d like to see Blake explore the option if there’s a trade to be made there
 
Because Faulk is a UFA at the end of the year and Quick even though is not as elite as he used to be but with that defense no telling what he can do in the playoffs if motivates . It gives them a chance to go for it this year and next with their cap looking pretty good

Oh come on lol. Quick has very little value to good teams. His injuries and his poor play until 2023 is unappetizing.
 
Because Faulk is a UFA at the end of the year and Quick even though is not as elite as he used to be but with that defense no telling what he can do in the playoffs if motivates . It gives them a chance to go for it this year and next with their cap looking pretty good
For this to happen it will take Quick having a great season up to the trading deadline. And even perhaps Carolina not having a need for Faulk, UFA or not. If Faulk is playing great, moving him would hinder any playoff run for Carolina, not necessarily help.
 
Iafallo on the top line reminds me of the types of players coaches would flank on Gretzky's left side, like Igor Liba, Mikko Makela, Warren Rychel, Dan Currie, Randy Burridge, etc.

Maybe Kovalchuk is better off not playing on the top line, seeing how Kopitar constantly deferred to him. I'm interested in seeing how a combo of Kovalchuk and Kempe will click.

That's been a thing with Kopitar whenever he gets a winger with talent. It started to happen when Gaborik got here, and then in the playoffs he got so hot at one point that you couldn't not feed him the puck in front of the net. But then in 14-15, when we were thinking dynamic duo, he has what was up to that point his career worst season. Then he does put up the 90+ point season with Iafallo on his wing 3 years later. That's why Clifford and Lewis probably would've been the perfect wingers for him, because no matter how much one would want to, who in their right mind would defer to them?

Seems like a lot of theories are being supported by today's quotes.

- These guys need someone to ride their asses
- The fluke 2018 was a one-time response to being driven too hard by Sutter, a guy with a pretty specific shelf life everywhere he has been: including before guys were "too fragile"
- With nobody riding their ass, everyone had a garbage, country club attitude coming in to last season.

Not like they were legit contenders, but they wasted a year of their careers last season. Long run for the Kings, it was for the best due to the picks/prospects that were obtained. Unless Father Time takes a huge bite out of Kopitar and Doughty, I expect them to return to form albeit not '18 level Kopitar since that was a one-off.

There's been a real trend with Kopitar to go on/off and we've already seen how they respond to being doubted via the results (regular season) of 2016 and '18. So they've embarrassed themselves again and they are out to prove that they aren't a joke. Awesome. The trick now becomes doing it for two seasons in a row as opposed to being lazy after the "prove it" season.

Some might argue with the lazy comment and want to blame last season on coaching etc...but let's be real: this is a sport where you have to put forth a strong effort to get results as talent alone won't do it. The lack of grit in board battles and the unwillingness to go to the high-traffic areas was appalling and that is an effort/care/will problem and not talent.

To hear guys saying that guys are in better shape this year than last year is nice to hear for this season but just another barb to toss at last year. The leadership core of this team has been criticized on here and it really appears that it is justified. My only hope is that Doughty's talk today translates into not only action on the ice but real leadership. I don't expect it from Kopitar except for him to put forth maximum effort on the ice but the actual voice of the room should be #8. Lots of young guys coming up through this roster soon and the current roster has nothing in the way of leadership that Lombardi's prospects had. Doughty's rep took a huge hit last season: he can really do a lot to rebound from it by becoming the leader of this franchise. The organization needs it to happen.

They came into training camp not interested in playing NHL hockey. They got beat down by Vegas, I think may have lost total confidence in their ability to compete in the NHL of today, and just didn't care. They were 30th when Stevens was fired, and they finished the season 30th. I would say that's probably why all we hear anymore is about the ground floor. It's basic practice habits, it's growth of the team, etc. Which can't be fun for the vets, because it's like the equivalent of having to get an entry-level job at 45 again. Worked hard before, had some success, things go sideways, and you have to start over from the bottom, but now you're the weird old dude.

Nice quotes from DD8 by TA’s Lisa Dillman during camp.

‘We shouldn’t be surprised if we make trades’: Drew Doughty prepares for transitional year with Kings



Todd has his hands full.

You'd think Doughty was 50. He's not even 30 yet, and he's talking about back in his day.

One thing to consider even though it will be one of the more difficult moves to make , is Quick to Carolina for Faulk +. We need a RHD and Quick will put Carolina over the hump with that Defense infront of him and the depth and young talent they have throughout all 4 lines is truly remarkable . They also still have amazing talent coming up in their pipeline ; they draft and develop well. I can see Quick winning a cup there if there is a trade to be made .

You're definitely going to have to take one of their veteran goalies back, because both Reimer and Mrazek have one way deals, at $3m in cash each. That doesn't help clear up the crease logjam the Kings have, but one of those two would have to come back, since no third team is going to be trading for either of those two in the near(or likely far) future. Faulk just turned 27 in March, and Quick is turning 34 in January. Quick's age, term, and the money still owed him(it's still $7m cash this year) works against his value, so no sure where the + is coming from on Carolina's end, unless that plus is one of those goalies. It's likely Blake would have to be the one adding.

Look at what goalies have gone for. They don't cost Faulk level players, even in their UFA year. RHD that can add some offense and eat minutes? They can do better than a soon to be 34 year old goalie with 4 years left for that. They already went this entire off-season not getting Quick. Traded Darling(for another goalie), and re-signed Mrazek on July 1st, and giving him a raise in doing so. Seems like the Canes are satisfied with their goalies.

It's not all Quick's fault, but he did just have a career worst season(which looks even worse when compared to the other two goalies that played last year). He's had a few injuries the last few year years. Not all his fault, but he has 1 playoff win in 5 years. His best playoff run came 7 years ago. Just because Carolina got to the 3rd round, it doesn't mean they're on the cusp of greatness. Since 2002, they've made the playoffs 4 times, and all they do is get to at least the 3rd round. However, they haven't made the playoffs 2 years in a row, other than 2001 and 2002.

There's a reason Quick is still a King. Understandably, we have an emotional connection to him, for everything that he's done, but other than past success, which is at least half a decade old, realistically there aren't many check marks in the pro column for other teams acquiring him. Maybe after this season, when his salary drops by half, but even then, teams still have to account for him for 3 additional seasons. Now is when the 10 year contract is a problem. Even though the Kings have only gotten 1 contending season out of Quick's deal(again, not all his fault), now is when Lombardi trying to cheat the cap hurts the most. Of course Lombardi is no longer around to see it, but that was likely going to be the case. When Quick got the contract, who knew that Campbell and Petersen would be around, but since they are, now is when it hurts.
 
It's not all Quick's fault, but he did just have a career worst season(which looks even worse when compared to the other two goalies that played last year). He's had a few injuries the last few year years. Not all his fault, but he has 1 playoff win in 5 years. His best playoff run came 7 years ago. Just because Carolina got to the 3rd round, it doesn't mean they're on the cusp of greatness.

Here's ol stupid me, in June 2014, thinking my Kings were on the cusp of greatness... :laugh:
 
That's been a thing with Kopitar whenever he gets a winger with talent. It started to happen when Gaborik got here, and then in the playoffs he got so hot at one point that you couldn't not feed him the puck in front of the net. But then in 14-15, when we were thinking dynamic duo, he has what was up to that point his career worst season. Then he does put up the 90+ point season with Iafallo on his wing 3 years later. That's why Clifford and Lewis probably would've been the perfect wingers for him, because no matter how much one would want to, who in their right mind would defer to them?

Yeah, I forget who did the writeup, but it was the best description of Kopitar's game I've seen. Essentially you almost don't want him with a high-octane creative player because he'll be deferential. You want him to wear the opponent down by just bulldozing down the ice, playing a simply cycle game with Iafallo and Brown, and banging into the net. It's probably why him and Brown have had so much success together, they have great chemistry, but they're mostly playing the game on rails. And that's fine. Boring but effective. Even in the 2014 playoffs when him and Gaborik were electric, most of it was Gaborik getting annihilated in front of the net like he were Ryan Smythe or Anders Lee.


They came into training camp not interested in playing NHL hockey. They got beat down by Vegas, I think may have lost total confidence in their ability to compete in the NHL of today, and just didn't care. They were 30th when Stevens was fired, and they finished the season 30th. I would say that's probably why all we hear anymore is about the ground floor. It's basic practice habits, it's growth of the team, etc. Which can't be fun for the vets, because it's like the equivalent of having to get an entry-level job at 45 again. Worked hard before, had some success, things go sideways, and you have to start over from the bottom, but now you're the weird old dude.

Something I think we forget in our analysis is how much dicking around they did that summer, too. There were what, 4-5 weddings? Partying with Nate f***ing Thompson? Really? Add that to the perfect storm.


You'd think Doughty was 50. He's not even 30 yet, and he's talking about back in his day.

To be fair, this will be his 11th year in the league, and the only more tenured guys will be Brown and Kopitar. The average career length is 5 years. He's seen deep Cup runs, Olympics, etc. and success at every level. He's pretty well positioned to be that guy, he just needs to get his head right for it.


Look at what goalies have gone for. They don't cost Faulk level players, even in their UFA year. RHD that can add some offense and eat minutes? They can do better than a soon to be 34 year old goalie with 4 years left for that. They already went this entire off-season not getting Quick. Traded Darling(for another goalie), and re-signed Mrazek on July 1st, and giving him a raise in doing so. Seems like the Canes are satisfied with their goalies.

It's not all Quick's fault, but he did just have a career worst season(which looks even worse when compared to the other two goalies that played last year). He's had a few injuries the last few year years. Not all his fault, but he has 1 playoff win in 5 years. His best playoff run came 7 years ago. Just because Carolina got to the 3rd round, it doesn't mean they're on the cusp of greatness. Since 2002, they've made the playoffs 4 times, and all they do is get to at least the 3rd round. However, they haven't made the playoffs 2 years in a row, other than 2001 and 2002.

There's a reason Quick is still a King. Understandably, we have an emotional connection to him, for everything that he's done, but other than past success, which is at least half a decade old, realistically there aren't many check marks in the pro column for other teams acquiring him. Maybe after this season, when his salary drops by half, but even then, teams still have to account for him for 3 additional seasons. Now is when the 10 year contract is a problem. Even though the Kings have only gotten 1 contending season out of Quick's deal(again, not all his fault), now is when Lombardi trying to cheat the cap hurts the most. Of course Lombardi is no longer around to see it, but that was likely going to be the case. When Quick got the contract, who knew that Campbell and Petersen would be around, but since they are, now is when it hurts.

We all kind of knew this would be the thing even if the team WAS super successful in that time. We knew Quick's style would likely lead to injury and the last couple of years had a high possibility of being rough. That's ok. That's one of the 'borrow from the future' contracts DL wrote. Though there's a higher-than-I-thought likelyhood of Quick still going nuclear like he did one year ago. As far as trade value, goalies have next to none already; one that's an older, injury-risk wild card, dollars or not, would certainly have SOME value, especially in a league where teams are desperately recycling schmucks like Mike Smith, and some teams like Carolina have almost never known quality goaltending, but it's still a hard sell that we'd get back anything worthwhile.
 
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Doughty trying to “get on guys” could work out, or it could be an unmitigated disaster. I could see his mouth rubbing a lot of people the wrong way. Matt Greene he ain’t

If Doughty's "get on guys" comments rub people the wrong way, we trade them. The team has been shit. If guys are less upset about that than they are about Doughty pointing it out they're not going to be a part of the solution.
 
As long as Drew walks the walk, he's pretty well earned the right to talk as much shit as he wants. And by talk shit, I mean continue to make correct assessments even if they make people bristle with their candor.

TMac agrees.

 
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Digging the up-tempo stuff...No standing around, let's do practice in 40 instead of 60. Awesome.

Also the thing I keep hearing about Yawney is how tough but fair he is. That's frigging perfect.

Martinez keen on Kings' ability to keep learning, "up-tempo" adjustments - LA Kings Insider

Color me a TMac fan. Everyone sounds engaged and encouraged at the system tweaks and excited to play a faster game even with more mistakes. I can handle a shitty team if that kind of heart and effort is there.
 
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Seems like a lot of theories are being supported by today's quotes.

- These guys need someone to ride their asses
- The fluke 2018 was a one-time response to being driven too hard by Sutter, a guy with a pretty specific shelf life everywhere he has been: including before guys were "too fragile"
- With nobody riding their ass, everyone had a garbage, country club attitude coming in to last season.

Not like they were legit contenders, but they wasted a year of their careers last season. Long run for the Kings, it was for the best due to the picks/prospects that were obtained. Unless Father Time takes a huge bite out of Kopitar and Doughty, I expect them to return to form albeit not '18 level Kopitar since that was a one-off.

There's been a real trend with Kopitar to go on/off and we've already seen how they respond to being doubted via the results (regular season) of 2016 and '18. So they've embarrassed themselves again and they are out to prove that they aren't a joke. Awesome. The trick now becomes doing it for two seasons in a row as opposed to being lazy after the "prove it" season.

Some might argue with the lazy comment and want to blame last season on coaching etc...but let's be real: this is a sport where you have to put forth a strong effort to get results as talent alone won't do it. The lack of grit in board battles and the unwillingness to go to the high-traffic areas was appalling and that is an effort/care/will problem and not talent.

To hear guys saying that guys are in better shape this year than last year is nice to hear for this season but just another barb to toss at last year. The leadership core of this team has been criticized on here and it really appears that it is justified. My only hope is that Doughty's talk today translates into not only action on the ice but real leadership. I don't expect it from Kopitar except for him to put forth maximum effort on the ice but the actual voice of the room should be #8. Lots of young guys coming up through this roster soon and the current roster has nothing in the way of leadership that Lombardi's prospects had. Doughty's rep took a huge hit last season: he can really do a lot to rebound from it by becoming the leader of this franchise. The organization needs it to happen.
Doughty has a lot of work to do this season or he will be hearing a lot of the same trash talk he used to do being directed at him by opposition players.
 
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Digging the up-tempo stuff...No standing around, let's do practice in 40 instead of 60. Awesome.

Also the thing I keep hearing about Yawney is how tough but fair he is. That's frigging perfect.

Martinez keen on Kings' ability to keep learning, "up-tempo" adjustments - LA Kings Insider

Color me a TMac fan. Everyone sounds engaged and encouraged at the system tweaks and excited to play a faster game even with more mistakes. I can handle a ****ty team if that kind of heart and effort is there.
Lisa Dillman seems to think Yawney is going to help Doughty return to form. As she gets to see what is going on behind the scenes more than we do, I trust it may happen. It will be up to Doughty.
 
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If Doughty's "get on guys" comments rub people the wrong way, we trade them. The team has been ****. If guys are less upset about that than they are about Doughty pointing it out they're not going to be a part of the solution.
I wasn’t referring to what he said already but what he will say on a daily basis in practice and games.
 
Honestly, the team has all of the tools it needs to climb its way back into contention over the next handful of seasons. I am happy with the direction and steps they've taken. Just have to see how it all plays out. For better or worse, Doughty is a leader of the team and likely a future retired jersey in the rafters. Unless his words become a serious detriment to the team, I don't see any reason to muzzle him. They aren't trading him and he doesn't want to leave, so he has to be one of the main people to bring the organization back to respectability.
 
It’s possible that last season forced Doughty to grow up. I think for a long time, he had this childish attitude that was kind of cute in a way, but he sounds more serious now. It’s as if he looked around the room waiting for people to take charge and noticed that a lot of the guys were looking at him. Being a leader isn’t easy, but it’s certainly something you can learn.

It’s an open secret that guys like Kopitar and Brown aren’t vocal leaders. They may pump the team up, but it was nothing like Greene, Mitchell, Richards, Stoll, and even Williams to some extent. I think Martinez has it, and I think Doughty can do it too, but I don’t see it from too many of the guys that were on the roster last season. I hope these guys really do start holding each other accountable, and I hope Doughty turns into the ultimate grizzled vet leader. He’s going to be 30... does he have another five or ten years in him?
 

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