Pre-Game Talk: 2019 NHL Draft, Pt. V: Got your ticket? (Mod note in pinned post)

[Bleach Clean]

Peyton Krebs who is also a centreman that seems to be in around the 10th range. Most have him in the 11th spot. I think he will be a better pick and he will round out our core very nicely then any of the dmans.

Is he the name that you have heard about? Or, just speculation?

Heard anything about Zegras?

 

[lawrence]

I'm liking Korczak at that spot. Big, mobile right handed defenseman that is relatively sound defensively. You can't have a defense full of offensive guys and we're lacking some physical defensive specialists in our pool along with RD in general. He could be another Carlo.

I like Patrik Puistola. He is the Eliass Pettersson of the draft. He posted 26 points in 22 games, in a mens league. what he did was like Elias Pettersson in his draft year. He played in a tier that is one down from the Liiga. this player also moves and shoots like Pettersson in the offensive zone. He ranked 41st by central scouting and a dark horse. dude is very krafty, plays like an alien, one draw back is that he is a left winger.

 

[biturbo19]

I never said that they will not draft a winger. I said their preference is for Cs and Ds. Per report, they have interviewed Newhook, a centre, and Broberg, a dman, with another forward left unnamed. My guess is that this unnamed forward is also a centre.

I would also not rule out Newhook as a centre in the pros. That, again, reinforces the general perception of what they seem to be targeting.

"Per report" is pretty unreliable though. I don't get the point of obsessing over that. Especially when it changes constantly, and i don't really know how many "per reports" had us taking Pettersson or Hughes.

Like half the top forwards in the draft could be Centers. There are only a couple you could maybe exclude from that outright.

One of which, i'd think is probably Pelletier, who you mentioned as a consideration previously. Which i found curious.

 

[Bleach Clean]

"Per report" is pretty unreliable though. I don't get the point of obsessing over that. Especially when it changes constantly, and i don't really know how many "per reports" had us taking Pettersson or Hughes.

Like half the top forwards in the draft could be Centers. There are only a couple you could maybe exclude from that outright.

One of which, i'd think is probably Pelletier, who you mentioned as a consideration previously. Which i found curious.

A Rick Dhaliwal report is "unreliable" in what sense? Also, I have not heard of the Canucks interviewing other candidates post combine (after the combine interviews). Can you show me where this information has changed constantly?

Per report, the Canucks flew Pettersson out to Vancouver a month before the draft:

Canucks draft Elias Pettersson with 5th overall pick
"The Canucks had targeted the centermen for a while and even flew the youngster to Vancouver last month to interview him."

Next, not all of the top forwards will be available to the Canucks. The names in consideration are: Boldy, Podkolzin, Zegras, Krebs, Caufield and Newhook. Of that group, only Newhook is consistently listed as a C, while Zegras and Krebs are listed as C/Ws. Newhook and Krebs probably have the best chance of staying at centre. So I don't see the availability of centres at pick #10 as being as abundant as you do.

I have my read on Pelletier, I like him.

 

[DFAC]

I like Patrik Puistola. He is the Eliass Pettersson of the draft. He posted 26 points in 22 games, in a mens league. what he did was like Elias Pettersson in his draft year. He played in a tier that is one down from the Liiga. this player also moves and shoots like Pettersson in the offensive zone. He ranked 41st by central scouting and a dark horse. dude is very krafty, plays like an alien, one draw back is that he is a left winger.

Well not really that similar to what EP did. Puistola played in the 2nd division Mens league in Finland. He did play in the top division Liiga and had 1 assist in 16 GP. Hardly like the PPG pace EP was on. Not to mention, isn't the Liiga usually seen as a weaker league than the SHL?

I'd look at a guy like Fagemo. 0.5 ppg in the SHL, can play either wing and is a very solid 5"11 195 lbs. If they want to go D, Kokkonen and Vlasic would be good choices if they were still available.

 

[Love]

Well not really that similar to what EP did. Puistola played in the 2nd division Mens league in Finland. He did play in the top division Liiga and had 1 assist in 16 GP. Hardly like the PPG pace EP was on. Not to mention, isn't the Liiga usually seen as a weaker league than the SHL?

I'd look at a guy like Fagemo. 0.5 ppg in the SHL, can play either wing and is a very solid 5"11 195 lbs. If they want to go D, Kokkonen and Vlasic would be good choices if they were still available.

EP played in 2nd division in Sweden in his draft year too. His draft +1 was in the SHL.

 

[biturbo19]

A Rick Dhaliwal report is "unreliable" in what sense? Also, I have not heard of the Canucks interviewing other candidates post combine (after the combine interviews). Can you show me where this information has changed constantly?

Per report, the Canucks flew Pettersson out to Vancouver a month before the draft:

Canucks draft Elias Pettersson with 5th overall pick
"The Canucks had targeted the centermen for a while and even flew the youngster to Vancouver last month to interview him."

Next, not all of the top forwards will be available to the Canucks. The names in consideration are: Boldy, Podkolzin, Zegras, Krebs, Caufield and Newhook. Of that group, only Newhook is consistently listed as a C, while Zegras and Krebs are listed as C/Ws. Newhook and Krebs probably have the best chance of staying at centre. So I don't see the availability of centres at pick #10 as being as abundant as you do.

I have my read on Pelletier, I like him.

I think a report of Dhaliwal is "unreliable" not in that i don't trust him as a conduit of information, but i don't think you can take it as some absolute either. Who did he say we'd draft this time last year?


I think it's worth noting that on the same team, same line even...it was Krebs that stayed at C, and Newhook who ended up a winger at the U18s. I think that said a little bit. Though it wouldn't surprise me to see all three ultimately end up as Centers, depending on where they land.

I'd like to hear your read on Pelletier that has him ranked as a potential outside Top-10ish pick. He's skilled, but he's also tiny, and really not any more productive that others with a lot more tools to offer with comparable production and raw skill. What's the hook?

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

None of those defensemen are on the same level as any forward who will be available at 10.

Yes they are. Newhook & Krebs more likely project as 2nd line players. How is a 2nd pair defenseman not on the same level as that.

 

[TruGr1t]

Yes they are. Newhook & Krebs more likely project as 2nd line players. How is a 2nd pair defenseman not on the same level as that.

If I'm taking a defenseman that high in the first round he better have a second-pairing floor.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Yes they are. Newhook & Krebs more likely project as 2nd line players. How is a 2nd pair defenseman not on the same level as that.

Newhook and Krebs project as likely 2nd liners, though they have first line potential. The defensemen available at 10 project as possible 2nd pairing defenseman with limited potential. I'm going with the higher quality prospect.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Newhook and Krebs project as likely 2nd liners, though they have first line potential. The defensemen available at 10 project as possible 2nd pairing defenseman with limited potential. I'm going with the higher quality prospect.

Dont agree with respect to Broberg / Soderstrom / York. Those guys could have #2/3 potential.

Your simply underselling the D prospects based on an unfounded comparison to 2016. Newhook & Krebs are not Matthew Tkachuk. Its not passing on a clear top 5 prospect for need.

Some scouting services & teams will have a defenseman like Broberg or Soderstrom ahead of Newhook/Krebs or right behind.

 

[4Twenty]

Newhook and Krebs project as likely 2nd liners, though they have first line potential. The defensemen available at 10 project as possible 2nd pairing defenseman with limited potential. I'm going with the higher quality prospect.

I wish you would write "in my opinion" more often. You speak here in absolutes like you're an expert. You're not.

And while I agree that the value play seemingly is to take a forward at 10th, do you give any credence to the idea that your youtube scouting and draft rankings reading isn't providing you the whole picture?

There is a ton we're not privy to. I think there is some definite upside in the defenseman available and that Thomas Harley kid looks to have quite a bit of offensive upside as well, late birthday, reminiscent of Shea Theodore, who would definitely go higher than 26 in a re-draft. While I would hope they would select a forward at 10, I don't feel comfortable enough to discount the dmen available.

Definitely agree with Shirokov in the sense that they're definitely not leaving a Matthew Tkachuk on the board if they take a defender at 10, the rankings from 3-20 are all over the place.

 

[Star Ocean]

A couple of years from now soderstrom will look better than broberg, because he has the hockey iq while broberg is more like kylington.

Soderstrom is a (distant) relative to me, he used to be at my aunts place when he was younger. So i guess i am biased. Sometimes i get inside info though.

 

[pgj98m3]

I'll be there to call out Benning and Aquilini. Suspect it will be the last Canuck related event I will want to or be allowed to attend for some time.

 

[DonnyNucker]

I'll be there to call out Benning and Aquilini. Suspect it will be the last Canuck related event I will want to or be allowed to attend for some time.

Lol

 

[Wave]

 

[sandwichbird2023]

At #10 I am...
Happy: Boldy, Zegras, and any of the faller
Content: Krebs, Newhook, Caulfield, Podkolzin
Not surprised: Broberg
Oddly excited: Lavoie, Kaliyev, Harley, York
Not very happy but will hope for the best: Soderstrom, Seider

I'm not too invested in this draft because all the players listed in our ranges are projected as 2nd liners, complimentary players, not play-drivers, 2nd pairing D, etc. Nothing that makes me super excited, unlike last year where all the D's in our range sound like potential stars.

 

[Cupless44]

Newhook and Krebs project as likely 2nd liners, though they have first line potential. The defensemen available at 10 project as possible 2nd pairing defenseman with limited potential. I'm going with the higher quality prospect.

Newhook has a high ceiling with his skating, skill to make plays at speed, his IQ, and his character and leadership. Great article today by Wheeler on The Athletic about this kid today, great young person loaded with skill and character. Liking him more and more and want him all the way as our pick at 10, out of the usual suspects. Loving the increasing chatter of the Canucks interest in Newhook! Go for speed and skating Jim!

 

[lawrence]

Well not really that similar to what EP did. Puistola played in the 2nd division Mens league in Finland. He did play in the top division Liiga and had 1 assist in 16 GP. Hardly like the PPG pace EP was on. Not to mention, isn't the Liiga usually seen as a weaker league than the SHL?

I'd look at a guy like Fagemo. 0.5 ppg in the SHL, can play either wing and is a very solid 5"11 195 lbs. If they want to go D, Kokkonen and Vlasic would be good choices if they were still available.

I’m ok with a dman in round 2 if they picked a forward in round 1.

 

[clay]

Newhook, Boldy, or Zegras and this draft’s a huge win.

 

[BeardyCanuck03]

Newhook has a high ceiling with his skating, skill to make plays at speed, his IQ, and his character and leadership. Great article today by Wheeler on The Athletic about this kid today, great young person loaded with skill and character. Liking him more and more and want him all the way as our pick at 10, out of the usual suspects. Loving the increasing chatter of the Canucks interest in Newhook! Go for speed and skating Jim!

After reading that article, Newhook screams Future Canuck. Hockey nerd and work horse (Like Horvat/Pettersson), down to earth kid who knows he's special and needs to share that in the best way possible (Like Boeser).

If the Canucks walk away with Newhook and then grab one for the Kelowna right shot dmen in the 2nd, that would be a very good haul for their top two picks

 

[Jack Burton]

I'm going to chime in here....it's not very hard to figure out who this regime will target at a draft and after reading practically everything available to all Canuck fans, we're targeting a Dman.

My hope is that it's Broberg.

Personally, I suspect Broberg will be gone before we pick and if this regime still insists on a Dman then it better be Seider.

If they go forward then it better be in this order....

1 Boldy
2 Zegras
3 Newhook

If we select any of these 5 players then nobody should complain. Excellent prospects and the only way to ruin them is our brutal development system.

 

[Bleach Clean]

I think a report of Dhaliwal is "unreliable" not in that i don't trust him as a conduit of information, but i don't think you can take it as some absolute either. Who did he say we'd draft this time last year?


I think it's worth noting that on the same team, same line even...it was Krebs that stayed at C, and Newhook who ended up a winger at the U18s. I think that said a little bit. Though it wouldn't surprise me to see all three ultimately end up as Centers, depending on where they land.

I'd like to hear your read on Pelletier that has him ranked as a potential outside Top-10ish pick. He's skilled, but he's also tiny, and really not any more productive that others with a lot more tools to offer with comparable production and raw skill. What's the hook?

When you said that reports were "pretty unreliable", I requested clarification on the following:

1. How are reports in of themselves unreliable? They are just reports.

2. Is Rick Dhaliwal unreliable in particular? You're answer is that we cannot take his report as an absolute. This does not indicate that he is unreliable BTW.

3. Reports regarding whom the Canucks have interviewed post-combine "change constantly"? To which no evidence was provided.

The Pettersson interview suggests that the Canucks do tip their hand.

Figuring out whether Dhaliwal calls picks in no way helps us assess the reliability of the reports of who the Canucks are interviewing.




It wouldn't surprise me if Krebs, Zegras and Newhook all end up as centres either. The point is in isolating who is more likely to do so. This is why I'm curious as to the third interview candidate. If it's another C, and not Boldy/Caufield/Other winger, then we can see Benning's preference at work.

Pelletier is tenacious, stocky and is always in the play. He makes himself a factor. Now, he has major knocks in shooting, size and skating. He makes up for latter two with his intelligence and motor. Also, I see him as the most productive CHL forward in consideration. There has been analytics talk of how to evaluate the QMJLHL vs the WHL and OHL. It's seen as a slightly harder league at the moment. Take that for what it's worth.

 

[John Johnson]

I like Patrik Puistola. He is the Eliass Pettersson of the draft. He posted 26 points in 22 games, in a mens league. what he did was like Elias Pettersson in his draft year. He played in a tier that is one down from the Liiga. this player also moves and shoots like Pettersson in the offensive zone. He ranked 41st by central scouting and a dark horse. dude is very krafty, plays like an alien, one draw back is that he is a left winger.

How is this a draw back especially for this team? LW is probably one of our weakest areas.

 

[Bleach Clean]

I'm going to chime in here....it's not very hard to figure out who this regime will target at a draft and after reading practically everything available to all Canuck fans, we're targeting a Dman.

My hope is that it's Broberg.

Personally, I suspect Broberg will be gone before we pick and if this regime still insists on a Dman then it better be Seider.

If they go forward then it better be in this order....

1 Boldy
2 Zegras
3 Newhook

If we select any of these 5 players then nobody should complain. Excellent prospects and the only way to ruin them is our brutal development system.

Actually, Zegras is a bit of risk, as is Newhook. Neither is seen as versatile or 'sure' as Boldy.

I don't think they are targeting a dman, I think they're targeting Broberg. Just as they are also targeting Newhook. They'll have their 3 choices and pick one of the remaining.