Pre-Game Talk: 2019 NHL Draft, Pt. V: Got your ticket? (Mod note in pinned post)

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Botchford(rip) and Cam Robinson said they will focus on speed and can see Boldy/Caufield being passed on.

Can't see Podkolzin being the pick or Dach falling to them.

So it'll come down to Zegras, Krebs, Newhook, Cozens, and Broberg. One of these players will be a Canuck IMO.

Can see it go as

NJD - Hughes
NYR - Kakko
CHI - Byram
COL - Turcotte
L.A - Dach
DET - Podkolzin
BUF - Zegras
EDM - Broberg/Caufield
ANA - Cozens
VAN - Krebs/Newhook
 
I don't want Soderstrom. I feel Seider and Harley have higher upsides than just a 30 point 2nd pair dmen.

Those 3 USNDT players do have higher ceilings than the 20 goal 2nd line players, but that's a fair guess on what they could be without hitting their ceiling. I'm not even sure those 3 will be available at 10 either.

Fair, it’s all speculation based on who will be available at 10 and obviously what we perceive their upside ultimately to be. There are some combos (Zegras/Boldy available, we take Soderstrom) where i’ll be massively disappointed and others (the above gone, we take Broberg) where i’ll be less so.
 
I don't know that there is a 30+ point solid 2nd pair dman in this draft.

What's funny is people posed this question back in 2016 when talking about Juolevi or Tkachuk and I think it's blatantly obvious that Tkachuk was the right pick and Benning screwed up that pick. Yet here we are again 3 years later and people are talking about willingly making the same mistake. It's embarrassing.

York, Broberg, Soderstrom & Seider all have that potential. Perhaps Harley & Heinola aswell.

Theres no Tkachuk level prospect available at #10. Its not really the same.
 
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For some reason I knew we were talking about Lavoie but then was typing that out as if it were Legare. Lavoie for sure will be a 1st round pick.

Ahhh, yes. Gotcha. That makes a lot more sense now. :laugh:

Probably wouldn't be my favourite pick, but i wouldn't be upset with Legare in the 2nd either. Don't know that his "upside" is the highest though, and feel like there will probably be bigger swings to take on players i like more at that point. Especially some of the defencemen who i could see falling there. But Legare does have the makings of a solid Bottom-6 guy with versatility, who can chip in a bit. Seems to be one of many in that big lump of guys i could see going anywhere from very tail end of the 1st, all the the way into the tail end of the 2nd.
 
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York, Broberg, Soderstrom & Seider all have that potential. Perhaps Harley & Heinola aswell.

Theres no Tkachuk level prospect available at #10. Its not really the same.

I'd add a handful of others to that list of potential 30pt, 2nd pairing defencemen too - but more guys that we'd probably be looking at with our 2nd round pick. Vladislav Kolyachonok, Lassi Thomson, Ryan Johnson, maybe even Tobias Bjornfot. I think all have that sort of fairly realistic "upside".

I'd also say most of those guys in the "1st round" sort of list probably at least have the potential to be more of a real Top-3 defender than just a run of the mill "2nd pairing" guy.

Byram, Heinola, York and Harley are the defencemen I'd be ALRIGHT with at 10.

I'd add Seider to that list, but that's pretty much where i'm at too. I don't know that any of them other than Byram would likely be my first choice at 10, particularly not York and Harley...but i wouldn't be upset with them. They all have upside to be impactful players at a premium value position.
 
Rumor canucks have zoned in on 2-3 players and will be brought back for extended interviews. So Dhaliwal saying one of them could be newhook. Others speculating a dman(broberg) and another fwd.

That is music to me ears!
 
One of them could be Newhook? Weird report.

Anyway, I'm assuming everything is predicated on who is available. They'd be nuts, for example, to take a defenseman if like one of Boldy, Cozens or Zegras is available.

I'm not a huge fan of taking any of the d-men over Krebs either. If the top nine falls how I think it will then none of those guys will be available, though. I'd also take Podkolzin over any d-men.

So if it's like Newhook vs. Broberg I could get on board.
 


Looks like Canucks are zeroing in on Newhook



What are people's thoughts on Newhook's projection as a centre in the pros? If the Canucks see him as a C, then this aligns with their thinking of coveting Cs and Ds. It also leans towards Zegras being the other forward target...


Yeah they shouldn’t have reached for Elias. WHo is the consensus best player at 10? There is no “consensus.”


There is a consensus DN. There are players that the hockey intelligentsia agree are the best at a certain draft position. That's how mocks are put together. Teams, however, need not follow that consensus. When teams diverge from consensus, they become more open to criticism and praise. They are lauded for going against the grain when taking EP40, and they are chastised when reaching for Juolevi. The consensus is the backdrop by which their ability is judged.
 
Has to be one of Caufield/Newhook/Seider/Heinola for me at this point; unless someone ranked in top 9 falls. I could see Caufield and Broberg going ahead of us, maybe even Seider to Anaheim.
 
Small LHD I'd be fine with if he's there in the 3rd round. But with Hughes, Juolevi on the left potentially already that's a pretty small group to be going forward with in the future if they do all hit.

I thought it was interesting that he mentions turning him into a forward. He's the same size as caulfield but a much better skater it would be an interesting experiment. I think you have a better chance of taking a small dman with good skating and hockey sense a d turning him into a forward than you do of taking a big guy with questionable skating and turning him into a power forward
 
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What are people's thoughts on Newhook's projection as a centre in the pros? If the Canucks see him as a C, then this aligns with their thinking of coveting Cs and Ds. It also leans towards Zegras being the other forward target...

I think you're maybe making too much of the Canucks apparently expressed preference for C/D over W. I don't think it means they won't draft a winger. Just that if they're looking at a couple really similar caliber players, priority goes to the more "premium" positions. Which seems fair to me.

As far as Newhook goes, i do think he ultimately projects better as an NHL winger. But he's got serviceable size, plenty of skating ability, and good awareness in all three zones to play in the middle. With a year or two in college, i wouldn't rule him out as a Center option in the Pros. I think he probably projects slightly better as an NHL center than Zegras due to his level of engagement. Both are more likely wingers for me though.
 
I thought it was interesting that he mentions turning him into a forward. He's the same size as caulfield but a much better skater it would be an interesting experiment. I think you have a better chance of taking a small dman with good skating and hockey sense a d turning him into a forward than you do of taking a big guy with questionable skating and turning him into a power forward

It's such a different skillset though, between Forwards and Defencemen.

I'm just not a big fan of Fensore. We've been down that road with Tiny Subban, and others have gone there with guys like David Quenneville et al. There are "small defencemen" and then there are "tiny" ones. For the sub 5'10" guys, it's just so hard for them to find their way at the NHL level. It's so much length and reach to be giving up and you're generally beyond the territory where you might see some agility and skating benefits to it. Only a very small handful of pretty special players have ever really made it work in the NHL at those sort of 5'7"-5'9" height ranges as defencemen, and generally toward the taller end of that.

Like, you said earlier that he seems like he'd be a Top-5 if he were 6':

What do people think about domnick fensore, he's a 5'7" dman who played for the USA ntdp in pronmans 107 prospects for 2019 he pins him as a kid with excellent skating, puck skills, compete level, and hockey sense. If he was 6' he'd probably go top 5 from the sounds of him. Also a September 01 bday so very young.
Anyways he mentions the possiblity of drafting him and converting him to forward And really he would be pretty much the same size as caulfield. If he's there at our 3rd or 4th would you take a risk on him and hope he either has a late growth spurt or can convert to forward?

But that just doesn't seem even remotely true. He's not even the best "offensive D" on his own team. Cam York is better in pretty much every aspect across the board, including actually being more or less 6ft tall. I haven't seen a lot of indication that Cam York is a likely Top-5 pick. Fensore certainly wouldn't be.


If you're drafting him to convert to Forward...ehhh...sure, but you have to understand that's going to be a massive project on a very small player. That's not a big percentage gamble, and you'd have to be drafting him very late accordingly. You'd also have to be drafting him trusting that BU are going to play ball on developing him as a Forward rather than a Defenceman, which is...tenuous. Last thing you want is to have your "major project" tiny forward, spending 2-3 years learning to be a defenceman in college. If you're gonna make that transition...make it early, or don't bother in most cases.

There are just too many other interesting defencemen in the draft, and forwards for that matter.
 
None of those defensemen are on the same level as any forward who will be available at 10.

And because this is the consensus, I'll be disappointed if they take a defensemen at ten.

It's depressing being as convinced as I am that Benning lacks whatever it takes to do something as outlandish as trade down four or five spots, take a defenseman if that's what they really want, and get another asset at the same time.
 
Interesting spot for the Canucks at 40. I highly doubt all 3 Kelowna Rockets are available at 40, but I would love any of Foote, Korczak, or Thomson

I'm excited for our pick at 40.... the Canucks should be able to snag another quality prospect here
 
I'm excited for our pick at 40.... the Canucks should be able to snag another quality prospect here

I'm liking Korczak at that spot. Big, mobile right handed defenseman that is relatively sound defensively. You can't have a defense full of offensive guys and we're lacking some physical defensive specialists in our pool along with RD in general. He could be another Carlo.
 
I think you're maybe making too much of the Canucks apparently expressed preference for C/D over W. I don't think it means they won't draft a winger. Just that if they're looking at a couple really similar caliber players, priority goes to the more "premium" positions. Which seems fair to me.

As far as Newhook goes, i do think he ultimately projects better as an NHL winger. But he's got serviceable size, plenty of skating ability, and good awareness in all three zones to play in the middle. With a year or two in college, i wouldn't rule him out as a Center option in the Pros. I think he probably projects slightly better as an NHL center than Zegras due to his level of engagement. Both are more likely wingers for me though.


I never said that they will not draft a winger. I said their preference is for Cs and Ds. Per report, they have interviewed Newhook, a centre, and Broberg, a dman, with another forward left unnamed. My guess is that this unnamed forward is also a centre.

I would also not rule out Newhook as a centre in the pros. That, again, reinforces the general perception of what they seem to be targeting.
 
I never said that they will not draft a winger. I said their preference is for Cs and Ds. Per report, they have interviewed Newhook, a centre, and Broberg, a dman, with another forward left unnamed. My guess is that this unnamed forward is also a centre.

I would also not rule out Newhook as a centre in the pros. That, again, reinforces the general perception of what they seem to be targeting.

Peyton Krebs who is also a centreman that seems to be in around the 10th range. Most have him in the 11th spot. I think he will be a better pick and he will round out our core very nicely then any of the dmans.
 
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