Prospect Info: 2019 Draft Thread: Oilers Picking 8th

[PKSpecialist]

I don't even know if Yamamoto was a reach, he was ranked right around that spot on pretty well every list as far as I remember. I was just frustrated that they passed on Tolvanen and Vesalainen who were both considerably higher ranked. I think the last 'reach' in the first round would probably be Klefbom honestly, leading into that draft he was ranked more as an early second if I remember right. I was hoping to land Brodin at 19 and Klef at 31 that year, but both went higher than I expected.

That's why I quoted the "reach" part. I had the Oilers picking Klefbom at 19 in his draft year, I wouldn't call him a reach. Plante was rated in the first round, that was a brutal draft year. I don't recall where Nash was rated. Without looking it up, I would think that Jesse Niinimaki was the biggest and last reach that this team had(in the first round)

 

[Joey Moss]

That's why I quoted the "reach" part. I had the Oilers picking Klefbom at 19 in his draft year, I wouldn't call him a reach. Plante was rated in the first round, that was a brutal draft year. I don't recall where Nash was rated. Without looking it up, I would think that Jesse Niinimaki was the biggest and last reach that this team had(in the first round)

I feel like I recall Plante being the big reach of the draft (not rated 1st round). I want to say Nash was rated above him even.

EDIT - I looked it up. Plante was rated 72nd, Nash was rated 64th on central scouting final rankings. Both huge reaches.

 

[Spawn]

I feel like I recall Plante being the big reach of the draft (not rated 1st round). I want to say Nash was rated above him even.

EDIT - I looked it up. Plante was rated 72nd, Nash was rated 64th on central scouting final rankings. Both huge reaches.

I think Plante was ranked pretty all over the map that year.

Top 30 Prospects of the 2007 NHL Entry Draft - here he was ranked 15th where we ended up taking him.

Nash was the reach I think. Maybe Bob McKenzie had him 30th OA? But otherwise I think he was pretty unanimously not considered a 1st rounder. Interestingly enough he didn't end up being all that bad of a pick outside of the obvious fact that he never played a game for the Oilers. At least he turned into an NHLer lol.

 

[Joey Moss]

I think Plante was ranked pretty all over the map that year.

Top 30 Prospects of the 2007 NHL Entry Draft - here he was ranked 15th where we ended up taking him.

Nash was the reach I think. Maybe Bob McKenzie had him 30th OA? But otherwise I think he was pretty unanimously not considered a 1st rounder. Interestingly enough he didn't end up being all that bad of a pick outside of the obvious fact that he never played a game for the Oilers. At least he turned into an NHLer lol.

I don't know if I can take a list that has Voracek at 1 seriously. The 2007 draft was basically one of the first that I followed and I don't recall ever seeing him rated 1. Very weird.

 

[Hitman77]

I think Buffalo will take an american kid. Just a hunch.

I think our preference is definitely Krebs, just don't think he'll be available unless Podkolzin is picked before us.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Did the Oilers even sign this guy to a contract? Oilers had no part in developing this player.

No but we drafted him and he stayed in the SEL for awhile and became a 60 points defenseman. At least our amateur scouts found talent in that pick.

 

[Tyrolean]

I don't trust Oilers drafting at all. Just keep ,my fingers crossed they fluke a good player.

 

[belair]

I think the other that falls to us is Podkolzin and I can't see us selecting him.

Can't see why they wouldn't. Massive trade asset. Third best player in the draft.

 

[Senor Catface]

I don't trust Oilers drafting at all. Just keep ,my fingers crossed they fluke a good player.

I think the last few years their drafting has been fine.

Their development is hot f***ing garbage though, and that negates that.

 

[ImmuneEH]

I don't trust Oilers drafting at all. Just keep ,my fingers crossed they fluke a good player.

Would you be satisfied if they hired some better scouts? Or is the man with the final say on the draft picks the problem? Maybe the drafting has been fine, but the developing has been poor?

 

[McTonyBrar]

Dach, Turcotte, Zegras or Krebs

 

[Tobias Kahun]

I think the last few years their drafting has been fine.

Their development is hot ****ing garbage though, and that negates that.

The only player they’ve screwed up is puljujarvi

-lately

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

Again it was pre-U-18 but what about Brayden Tracey (scored for Canada).

Has 0.82 ppg 5v5 (Cozens 0.90, Dach 0.72, Krebs 0.66). Is he worth a 2nd or 3rd? Don't know anything about him.

Small and doesn't have any standout qualities. Seems like a good junior player that won't translate very well.

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

I'll be really interested to see how Krebs plays with better talent. I saw a bit of him at the Gretz/Hlinka but like many I have concerns that he'll end up as a middle six tweener. We need players of his ink/drive however. What are your top 10?

Kakko
Hughes
Byram
Turcotte
Dach
Krebs
Zegras
Cozens
Podkolzin
Boldy

 

[ImmuneEH]

After doing some soul searching, watching highlights, and reading scouting reports, I'm definitely leaning towards Zegras over Krebs if it comes down to that.

Zegras seems really dynamic and has a very high ceiling. Krebs on the other hands seems like an honest, hard-working player that any coach would love. However, I see Krebs as more of a complimentary piece in the top 6 whereas Zegras has a higher likelihood of being able to drive a line.

If Cozens somehow fell to 8, I would have no issues picking him. Picking a guy with his tools and potential at 8 is still really good.

 

[nafrelio]

Kakko
Hughes
Byram
Turcotte
Dach
Krebs
Zegras
Cozens
Podkolzin
Boldy

What do you think is Kreb's floor? Ceiling?

To me, Krebs might be the kind of guy you need on your team to win in the playoffs. Is he a sure top 6 player? HFOil seems to think he is worth a top pick while many (including BobMac's 10 scouts) rank him lower.

 

[nafrelio]

After doing some soul searching, watching highlights, and reading scouting reports, I'm definitely leaning towards Zegras over Krebs if it comes down to that.

Zegras seems really dynamic and has a very high ceiling. Krebs on the other hands seems like an honest, hard-working player that any coach would love. However, I see Krebs as more of a complimentary piece in the top 6 whereas Zegras has a higher likelihood of being able to drive a line.

If Cozens somehow fell to 8, I would have no issues picking him. Picking a guy with his tools and potential at 8 is still really good.

We have the same take on Zegras vs Krebs. I would take Podkolzin over Cozens if they both fell to 8.

 

[McKappa]

What do you think is Kreb's floor? Ceiling?

To me, Krebs might be the kind of guy you need on your team to win in the playoffs. Is he a sure top 6 player? HFOil seems to think he is worth a top pick while many (including BobMac's 10 scouts) rank him lower.

Lots of WHL bias here on HFOil, as a result of exposure, while the WHL guys (Cozens/Dach) are certainly impressive, I always come away more impressed by Zegras and Turcotte

I 100% think there are 8 players in this draft worth taking over Krebs, doesn't seem like he has a very high ceiling or will be a line driver, but seems like a good shot to become a effective top 6 winger. While he is a solid prospect I think we should be aiming for one of the higher ceiling players with our pick, and since one of Podkolzin, Turcotte, Zegras, Dach, Byram, or Cozens is guaranteed to be there at our pick, I think we should pass on Krebs.

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

Lots of WHL bias here on HFOil, as a result of exposure, while the WHL guys (Cozens/Dach) are certainly impressive, I always come away more impressed by Zegras and Turcotte

I 100% think there are 8 players in this draft worth taking over Krebs, doesn't seem like he has a very high ceiling or will be a line driver, but seems like a good shot to become a effective top 6 winger. While he is a solid prospect I think we should be aiming for one of the higher ceiling players with our pick, and since one of Podkolzin, Turcotte, Zegras, Dach, Byram, or Cozens is guaranteed to be there at our pick, I think we should pass on Krebs.

What do you think is Kreb's floor? Ceiling?

To me, Krebs might be the kind of guy you need on your team to win in the playoffs. Is he a sure top 6 player? HFOil seems to think he is worth a top pick while many (including BobMac's 10 scouts) rank him lower.

Krebs in my opinion has one of the highest floors in the draft. I see him as a guaranteed top-6 player.

What I don't get is why poeple say his ceiling isn't very high. Just because Krebs isn't flashy (doesn't have Zegras's hands or Cozen's speed) doesn't mean his ceiling isn't as high. I could easily see him being a Point or Couturier level player.

 

[ImmuneEH]

What do you think is Kreb's floor? Ceiling?

To me, Krebs might be the kind of guy you need on your team to win in the playoffs. Is he a sure top 6 player? HFOil seems to think he is worth a top pick while many (including BobMac's 10 scouts) rank him lower.

It seems like it really helps to have a variety of ingredients on your team to have success deep into the playoffs.

• Bonafide 1 C
• 2-Way C
• 'Pest' - Is that the right term? I'm talking guys with high compete and willing to go to the dirty areas.
• Sniper - Plays well off your 1 C and is a constant threat on the PP.
• Grit - Token guy who plays physical. Remember how Kassian stepped up in the playoffs? Devante Smith Pelly?
• As for D, you can win by committee but you need players that can make a good first pass and can move the puck adequately well.
• Big W - Bull in the china shop if you will.

Can probably add/take away from that list. We have the 1C, I suppose you could say Drai is the 'sniper', Nuge is that 2-way C that puts the team first, not sure we really have a pest (Yams could be that if he continues to develop), we have grit, and our D is okay, but we have plenty of good D in the system.

Krebs would definitely be the 'pest'. Byram would solidify our D. Cozens could be that 'bull in the china shop'.

Totally rambling here and talking out of my ass.

 

[Senor Catface]

The only player they’ve screwed up is puljujarvi

-lately

I think they also ruined a potentially great development year for Yamamoto who should have been in the AHL all year. They have some sort of dumb mental block when it comes to letting first rounders chill out in the minors.

 

[ToeMcDrag83]

I think they also ruined a potentially great development year for Yamamoto who should have been in the AHL all year. They have some sort of dumb mental block when it comes to letting first rounders chill out in the minors.

They literally equate the 1st round to being NHL ready. It's infuriating.

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

Here is the most recent shift-by-shift of Dylan Cozens I could find.

He got a goal and an assist, his goal a really nice rush on the PP, and his assist was secondary from a breakout pass. At even strength though, he was absolutely invisible. Cozens' has got speed for sure and his hands are nice, but he can't seem to find any kind of space except for on the PP. I think a faster Monahan is probably a good comparison if he reaches his ceiling. Both have got nice shots and will get a point, but then become unnoticeable for the rest of the game.



Here is a shift by shift of Krebs. He also got a goal and an assist here, but is so much more effective when he isn't scoring.

 

[McSuper]

Where the deal gets done. Lucic was one of my favourite players, and I was fully on board with keeping him after the first year when he was still a 20+ goal, 50+ point guy. He was still worth 6 million then. But we need to move him to compete. With our utter lack of forwards, we can’t pay him 6 million to be a 20 point bottom 6er. If that means trading the pick and getting back a 2025 7th round pick, I do it.

We should have ~8.5 million to sign 3 forwards, a dman, and a goalie. If the draft pick has to go to get us 14.5 instead, so be it. That gives you room to actually fill holes.

This wouldn't be too smart .

Lucic+8th OA >>>>> Then 6 million in cap space and 7th rd pick . The 6 million would have to be spent on a UFA and we all know they get overpaid . We just don't have the assets to be throwing away . I still think Lucic will be very tradable July 1 2020 . !0 million over 3 years retain 1/3 making it 6.67 million over 3 years so roughly 2.22 million a year with a 4 million cap hit for a team . I know fans don't like the cap hit but the owners of small market teams like the higher cap hit with lower dollars to payout .

 

[McSuper]

What does it take for the Oilers to move up from 8 to 3/4?

Can the Oilers move up to 4 if they give up a 2nd and a prospect (Jones?)

Why does every 2nd fan want to throw Jones into trades . He will be our best left hand D in 2 years . Yes better then Nurse , Better Klefbom at defence and not injury prone . Unless Nurse finds his defensive side of the game and can put up 40 points year in year out he isn't worth the raise he was seeking during his last contract negotiation . Keep Jones at all cost .