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Podkolzin's highlights don't impress me as much as Turcotte, Cozens, Zegras, or Dach if we are talking just forwards. He skates with his head down a lot and his stride and stick handling are sloppy.
 
KingsCup1214 said:
I think you're right. The Kings put out an article today looking at the Top 5 NHL prospects ahead of the draft lottery and they listed them as:

1) Hughes
2) Kakko
3) Podkolzin
4) Dach
5) Cozens

Not sure this is hockey ops exact top 5, but if the organization puts out an article with only forwards listed in the top 5, it seems they are most likely targeting one of them.
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This mirrors all major scouting services combined rankings and most scouts universal rankings. I know many like myself are big fans of Turcotte. I'd be a little shocked if anyone took him at #3/4 over the 3 forwards listed there. Arm chair GMs seem higher on him than any actual scouts or scouting services. Podkolzin/Dach/Cozens seem higher ranked than any of the other forwards outside of a few places trying to achieve hits by posting controversial rankings. Turcotte missing as much time as he has hurt his case.

Honestly not high on Cozens and just never liked tiny pure playmakers (Zegras). However if not top 2 honestly I'd have little issue and be happy to be adding Podkolzin, Dach, Cozens, Turcotte, Zegras, Krebs, or Byram. Any one of those we are getting what should be a good 2nd liner or higher. I like Turcotte simply because he reminds me so much of Toews and those players are worth so so much and straight winners. I want Dach as he possesses top 1-3 highest ceiling in the draft according to anyone who has watched him more while having a decent floor. Greatly prefer him to Cozens who I don't see near the same ceiling and a slightly lower floor.
 
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No Name The Nameless said:
It's an overpay if we secure pick 2 but if we have 3-5 it's not bad at all. If you believe in a guy being a likely superstar then you should consider trading a guy who could be a very good and two who would assumedly have a chance at being role players.
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The Kings need a lot of talent infused in the program and the best way to approach it is to use their 3 high picks and go for the BPA at each pick. They are much worse than 1-2 players away even if those players are Hughes or Kakko. I look at Eichel, McDavid and other superstars and it just shows how depth is so important in hockey. I would rather have 3 guys who can play in the top 6 and have impact even if they aren't 40 goal guys than one star.

Most of those guys who will be around that mid to low first round area will have at least 1-2 skillsets that are quite good but probably haven't put it altogether yet. Anybody can be a role player. Some guys will forever be all tools with no toolbox. Others will just have it click once they make the jump.
 
AzKing said:
The Kings need a lot of talent infused in the program and the best way to approach it is to use their 3 high picks and go for the BPA at each pick. They are much worse than 1-2 players away even if those players are Hughes or Kakko. I look at Eichel, McDavid and other superstars and it just shows how depth is so important in hockey. I would rather have 3 guys who can play in the top 6 and have impact even if they aren't 40 goal guys than one star.

Most of those guys who will be around that mid to low first round area will have at least 1-2 skillsets that are quite good but probably haven't put it altogether yet. Anybody can be a role player. Some guys will forever be all tools with no toolbox. Others will just have it click once they make the jump.
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Craig Button has Dach at #15. Does anyone know why? Has he stated anything about that?

https://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-hughes-leads-class-heavy-on-american-talent-1.1279391
 
AnThGrt said:
This mirrors all major scouting services combined rankings and most scouts universal rankings. I know many like myself are big fans of Turcotte. I'd be a little shocked if anyone took him at #3/4 over the 3 forwards listed there. Arm chair GMs seem higher on him than any actual scouts or scouting services. Podkolzin/Dach/Cozens seem higher ranked than any of the other forwards outside of a few places trying to achieve hits by posting controversial rankings. Turcotte missing as much time as he has hurt his case.

Honestly not high on Cozens and just never liked tiny pure playmakers (Zegras). However if not top 2 honestly I'd have little issue and be happy to be adding Podkolzin, Dach, Cozens, Turcotte, Zegras, Krebs, or Byram. Any one of those we are getting what should be a good 2nd liner or higher. I like Turcotte simply because he reminds me so much of Toews and those players are worth so so much and straight winners. I want Dach as he possesses top 1-3 highest ceiling in the draft according to anyone who has watched him more while having a decent floor. Greatly prefer him to Cozens who I don't see near the same ceiling and a slightly lower floor.
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Elite Prospects - NHL Draft Center HOCKEYPROSPECT.COM TOP 31

Turcotte is just a late riser cause of his injuries
 
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^ so you quoted me just to repeat what I wrote that injuries hampered him? Also he was originally higher up to start the yr, dropped down, and been moving up. He is still universally considered behind the other forwards potentially rightfully so given he doesn't possess the same ceiling as a Dach, Podkolzin, etc. He is the safe route and like Krebs just one of those does everything good leader types.

Reading up on Podkolzin I have warmed up a bunch to him. One translated line is ignoring a lengthy article where he says he'd love to play in the NHL, wants to, etc. Context also highly important come the article. Happened backnin September right after he moved out from home away from his family in the MHL. Same article literally states he has dreamed of playing in the NHL and can't wait. Think WAS is upset they had to wait 2 yrs for Kuznetsov and GMs aren't upset they let him drop?

Honestly not sure why well I know why, but just prefer majority of the other forwards over Cozens. Lack of IQ compared to the others, style is just like Virtanen and similar guys. Lower IQ, skates straight lines too often into other guys, and has size/skating that gets them by in juniors yet not higher levels. Only top forward this draft that more frequently than not dumps the puck and seems incapable of carrying it in himself with even rare frequency and alone in not being able to drive a line himself.
 
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AnThGrt said:
^ so you quoted me just to repeat what I wrote that injuries hampered him? Also he was originally higher up to start the yr, dropped down, and been moving up. He is still universally considered behind the other forwards potentially rightfully so given he doesn't possess the same ceiling as a Dach, Podkolzin, etc. He is the safe route and like Krebs just one of those does everything good leader types.

Reading up on Podkolzin I have warmed up a bunch to him. One translated line is ignoring a lengthy article where he says he'd love to play in the NHL, wants to, etc. Context also highly important come the article. Happened backnin September right after he moved out from home away from his family in the MHL. Same article literally states he has dreamed of playing in the NHL and can't wait. Think WAS is upset they had to wait 2 yrs for Kuznetsov and GMs aren't upset they let him drop?

Honestly not sure why well I know why, but just prefer majority of the other forwards over Cozens. Lack of IQ compared to the others, style is just like Virtanen and similar guys. Lower IQ, skates straight lines too often into other guys, and has size/skating that gets them by in juniors yet not higher levels. Only top forward this draft that more frequently than not dumps the puck and seems incapable of carrying it in himself with even rare frequency and alone in not being able to drive a line himself.
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Really ? universally you say; the safe route that is outscoring Hughes in the USHL; I am willing to bet Turcotte will be drafted before Dach
 
Say there was a team interested in trading up at pick 6-9, would you guys be interested in trading down? What could we possibly get in return? Seeing there isn't a huge difference in 3-10 range, might be worth going for it to get extra assets. If not trading down, I would pick either Byram, Turcotte or Podkolzin and one of those is going to be available.

As a Finn, Ville Heinola would be an interesting choice at Toronto pick if he is still there. He took over PP1 QB role for Finnish Liiga team Lukko and posted pretty good numbers as well. Developed very well during season and his ice time went up from 16mins/game in September to 21mins/game in March. He is a smallish (5'11/176) left-handed offensive defenceman who has very good hockey sense.
 
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henkkj said:
Say there was a team interested in trading up at pick 6-9, would you guys be interested in trading down? What could we possibly get in return? Seeing there isn't a huge difference in 3-10 range, might be worth going for it to get extra assets. If not trading down, I would pick either Byram, Turcotte or Podkolzin and one of those is going to be available.

As a Finn, Ville Heinola would be an interesting choice at Toronto pick if he is still there. He took over PP1 QB role for Finnish Liiga team Lukko and posted pretty good numbers as well. Developed very well during season and his ice time went up from 16mins/game in September to 21mins/game in March. He is a smallish (5'11/176) left-handed offensive defenceman who has very good hockey sense.
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I'd request a prospect to move up.
 
By the way the lottery system is total horseshit. The hawks going al the way to 2. They better fix this shit. They need to do it like the NBA does. Also, if the Russian kid is there at 5 you jump all over that shit.
 
Seeing how Turcotte and Byram are likely gone by #5.. Bobby Brink is moving up as well.. Kirby Dach seems like our pick. Soooo

#5- Kirby Dach
#24- Moritz Seider
#33- Nolan Foote

Maybe we can do Toffoli and 3rd rounder for the Avs 16th :nod:... we could add Brink to that list
 
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  1. New Jersey Devils — Jack Hughes (C)
  2. New York Rangers — Kaapo Kakko (RW)
  3. Chicago Blackhawks — Vasili Podkolzin (RW)
  4. *Colorado Avalanche — Kirby Dach (C)
  5. Los Angeles Kings — Dylan Cozens (C/RW)
  6. Detroit Red Wings — Alex Turcotte (C)
  7. Buffalo Sabres — Trevor Zegras (C)
  8. Edmonton Oilers — Bowen Byram (D)
  9. Anaheim Ducks — Peyton Krebs (C)
  10. Vancouver Canucks — Philip Broberg (D)
  11. Philadelphia Flyers — Matthew Boldy (LW)
  12. Minnesota Wild — Cole Caufield (RW)
  13. Florida Panthers — Thomas Harley (D)
  14. Arizona Coyotes — Victor Soderstrom (D)
  15. Montréal Canadiens — Arthur Kaliyev (RW)

Copied this from Fansided... I’m not the only one that thinks the Blackhawks stick to their Russians .. if Turcotte is there I’d like to pick him up but me thinks they wanna go big down the middle :laugh:.. I made a funny
 
I'm pretty confident the Blackhawks will take Turcotte. He's from Chicago, talented, fills a long term need, and the GM even mentioned how everything parallels to 2006 when they drafted Toews 3rd overall and how they hope to get someone to follow in his footsteps.
 
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Crownroyal21 said:
By the way the lottery system is total horse****. The hawks going al the way to 2. They better fix this ****.
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I disagree, because it totally ends "tanking" and forces integrity into the game.

You'll never have a 1984 again where the Penguins do just about everything short of shooting pucks in their own net to land Mario Lemieux.
 
kings11 said:
Seeing how Turcotte and Byram are likely gone by #5.. Bobby Brink is moving up as well.. Kirby Dach seems like our pick. Soooo

#5- Kirby Dach
#24- Moritz Seider
#33- Nolan Foote

Maybe we can do Toffoli and 3rd rounder for the Avs 16th :nod:... we could add Brink to that list
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Why would Colorado do that for a player who is a year away from becoming a UFA and had the least productive season of his career?

In order for the Kings to move up, they’ll have to package something useful along with the Toronto 1st.
 
BenedictGomez said:
I disagree, because it totally ends "tanking" and forces integrity into the game.

You'll never have a 1984 again where the Penguins do just about everything short of shooting pucks in their own net to land Mario Lemieux.
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It doesn't end tanking, teams are still going to tank for the best odds of getting a top pick. It just spreads the picks around to more wildly undeserving teams. There can be a middle ground here where it doesn't go to the team that tanks the most and to another team to jump 10 spots up as well.
 
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